Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[JeremyR]

You mean vertically, after you snip your length of coil from the box, right?
I did that first. I snipped my length, flattened it evenly, and cut it in thirds for my wicks. But while doing so, I noticed that there were separate threads in there - it wasn't all fluff - and I had snipped through some of the threads, making them uneven in thickness through the length of the wicks. So I scrapped those, tried it again, but this time I carefully separated them with two toothpicks to try to keep the threads intact.

One bad thing about being able to taste EVERYTHING so accurately: My juice has steeped to something really awful!
It was def the juice. I rinsed and recoiled, and it was the same god-awful flavor.

No I mean don't snip it! Pull the length you want off the main rope. It pulls apart fairly easily.

Ie. Grab it and rip the piece off to length instead of cutting it. It seems to come out better for a few reasons.

As far as the seperate threads, I think you mean the different thicknesses. Yes I see this with the Sally's. The original kind i had when I started this thread was completely uniform. It was even easier to work with and produce even densities. It was definately higher grade.

 

[dogcat]

No I mean don't snip it! Pull the length you want off the main rope. It pulls apart fairly easily.

Ie. Grab it and rip the piece off instead of cutting it.

As far as the seperate threads, I think you mean the different thicknesses. Yes I see this with the Sally's. The original kind i had when I started this thread was completely uniform. It was even easier to work with and produce even densities. It was definately higher grade.

I'm sure this has been gone over, though unfortunately it seems a lot of the wicking info is for "inside the coil" builds. What are some of the basics of "outside the coil" wicking, such as for verticals? I'm redoing my rose with all rayon on the cone coil, and from what I remember, a loose wrap was called for. Jeremy, being a vcore specialist, can you throw some light on this for me? Cheer mate

 

[JeremyR]

I just finished setting up my EHPro Kayfun style atomizer with CC. I'm running a 1.4 ohm vertical coil @ 3.7 v. The first few drags
(about 5) I got the dreaded funky taste, but it dissipated quickly. I've heard it described as sweet or salty, neither describes the taste I got accurately. To me it is more like what I get from a slightly flooded atomizer. It's like the taste of the juice droplets that I get on my tongue. I also got poor vapor production on those first few drags(also a sign of a flooded coil). But, like I said at the beginning of this post, it was only for the first few drags. Now that has passed and I'm really enjoying the flavor and vapor production. I have used Hemp fiber for several months and Ramie for about a month (never used cotton). How does it compare you ask? Comparing CC to Hemp, CC hands down. Hemp has a earthy, woody taste, that is imparted onto the juice. It's not a bad taste and actually compliments the taste of some tobacco flavored juices(re: 555 Hangsen). Comparing CC to Ramie, that's a tough one. Ramie is an excellent wicking material, the taste and vapor I get from Ramie are excellent. The drawback is like Tencel Ramie gets stiff when it's wet, which makes it a little more challenging to work with. That being said the flavor and vapor of both are excellent and to me pretty much equal. The tie breaker is that CC is easier to use and cheaper than Ramie. These are my first impressions and subject to further analysis. At this point barring someone finding hard evidence of something noxious in CC I'll be using it on a regular basis. Thanks again to Cloud Ninja for sharing his CC with me and thanks to JeremyR for this thread. Vape long and vape strong.

Hey Jim, happy to hear your experience. I didn't make it long on ramie since I'd been spoiled with rayon. It's sooo much easier to work with.

 

[NahkriinKrosis]

Just rebuilt my Helios with a 'center post' coil build. I let the CC wick saturate for about 5 minutes before vaping and it is superb. I used 26awg kanthal with a smaller diameter coil than I have before, came out to .38ohms. I had to use less and kinda fuss with it to find the right amount of wick for my coil. But once she was finished, whoo buddy it was gooooood home slice has been the best with this wick. I didn't get all the flavors until I switched from cotton.

I am so happy to have found this thread, my vaping experience has skyrocketed! Jeremy, you da man.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks buddy! Happy to get you the the next plane of vaping man that what this forum is all about.

Glad you figured it out quick!.. I guess you got the rayon touch.

How long have you had the rayon and how many builds have you done.

Wicking looks great so far, if it stays like that your golden, let's see it in a week.

 

[JeremyR]

I'm sure this has been gone over, though unfortunately it seems a lot of the wicking info is for "inside the coil" builds. What are some of the basics of "outside the coil" wicking, such as for verticals? I'm redoing my rose with all rayon on the cone coil, and from what I remember, a loose wrap was called for. Jeremy, being a vcore specialist, can you throw some light on this for me? Cheer mate

Two big fat pieces for each coil like the opening post. If there's any gaps around the coil add little tufts of rayon with a needle accordingly between where the two strands come together and around the outsides at the ceramic to keep enough in to keep it fully touching the coil lightly.

 

[Tbev]

Just chain vaping 4 different devices stuffed with rayon, all killing it!

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[brookj1986]

I've been messing around with dragon coils and dragon parallel coils. While my parallel came out quite poor in terms of my wrapping of it, i figured I'd let it go and mess with it in my trident. Didn't even do a dual and wow. I have almost all my devices rocking it. Even tried it on my bf cyclone with single coil. Truly doing a wonderful job soaking up the juice with each squonk.

I'm going to switch back to my dual coil build. But rayon has been kicking .....

My pt2 is loving it. I want to try it on my taifun gs, not gt to see how it does with a long U wick down to the coil. So far I've only had luck with xc116 or ridiculously miniscule amount of cotton. I'm thinking I may be able to get good wicking down to the coil like the xc116, with even better absorption. I know it'll be great in the gt... that's just a glorified massive protank in terms of how the wick comes out. I noticed xc116 would flood as I got towards the end of the tank.

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[NGAHaze]

Just rebuilt my Helios with a 'center post' coil build. I let the CC wick saturate for about 5 minutes before vaping and it is superb. I used 26awg kanthal with a smaller diameter coil than I have before, came out to .38ohms. I had to use less and kinda fuss with it to find the right amount of wick for my coil. But once she was finished, whoo buddy it was gooooood home slice has been the best with this wick. I didn't get all the flavors until I switched from cotton.

I am so happy to have found this thread, my vaping experience has skyrocketed! Jeremy, you da man.

Your coils look great but if I might offer a suggestion, I'd alter the bend slightly on the long leg of each of your coils ... they look dangerously close to shorting out. Perhaps it's just the camera angle but I thought I'd mention it just in case!

 

[VenusianSky]

I finally got a good wick on. Yes, more is better with rayon. I was definitely not using enough before, thus the random dry hits. Been vaping non-stop and only got one slightly dry hit but that was because I needed to drip. I also went to a 5/64 size coil, from 1/16. Now that I have a better idea of how much I need, I will try my preferred 1/16 micro coil build next time.

 

[Aal_]

You guys may be right, it's only been short of 3 weeks that rayon's been used widely.

Only 1.4mm at high power I saw that was working well was bedded.

It's an awful tiny wick through coil.

However a 1/16 in an evod on a ego with no overwick performs excellently.

So I will be the official tester for 1.4mm coils at 18+ watts in a tank? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!! lol.

Seriously though, if i wick cotton the way i wick now with rayon, I would have the same result. It will have to be really short tails and open spaces for liquid to reach the closest point which is the coil edges and not rely soloely on wicking. With my other Kayfun and 1.8mm coil rayon is considerably performing better than cotton.

I'll tell you what I will do, I will start tweaking with density and length of wick and although I will not completely rely on wicking, i'm sure i will not have to open it all up and risk gurgling like the toe stepping (although i am getting good at it) that I do with cotton.

 

[sc12]

Welcome to Graham Beauty

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Product codes are on the far left. This is the only stuff from Graham Beauty that we know that is 100% Rayon. I personally have a box of 44043.

This thread has quickly evolved from;

Rayon fibres in melatonin bottle

to

Tencell Top Fibres

To

100% RAYON Cellucotton made by Graham Beauty most commonly available at Sally Beauty Supply.

As far as I know, the 100% RAYON CelluCotton from Graham Beauty is the last word.

1200 Ft. Enough to supply the entire forum!

 

[monkkx]

Hi all
I tried to order from boss that was the only store shipping in my country. But shipping cost happened to me more than 50$ so I had to cancel. Would someone accept to send me a sample of the graham cellucotton in UAE?
Of course I'll pay the shipping cost (paypal) or can offer in exchange a sample of Pima Cotton Sliver. Whoever have mercy for a vaper lost in the desert, PM me

 

[vassilbg]

Alright, so per some suggestions, I've cut the wick tails shorter, used more CC, performance has been flawless for over a day now...

Before:





AFTER:



So far looks like I won't have to be swapping that wick out for a while

 

[brianc11111]

Alright, so per some suggestions, I've cut the wick tails shorter, used more CC, performance has been flawless for over a day now...

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So far looks like I won't have to be swapping that wick out for a while

looking good vass!

outstanding!!!!

 

[awsum140]

I'm on the fifth refill in each of two ProTanks since rebuilding with rayon/CC. They are awesome to say the least. About 15ml through both and no degradation in performance at all. I am using a tobacco DIY liquid so gunking isn't too much of a problem, but, still, these things are amazing with rayon! Makes me wonder why I bothered with iClears and Nautilus.

 

[VenusianSky]

I just watched Pegasus1337 YouTube video on cellucotton. He is saying to use less than cotton and he does wick it less in his demonstration. People are not going to be happy with those results.

 

[JeremyR]

Vassilbg, looks good let us know how it goes.,

next time try what I think would be the best method for kayfun

Straight coil, cut the tails so they just touch the deck, then fan them out after you put the chamber on.

 

[JeremyR]

I just watched Pegasus1337 YouTube video on cellucotton. He is saying to use less than cotton and he does wick it less in his demonstration. People are not going to be happy with those results.

I saw another video with "cellucotton" and it was cotton!
Cellucotton cotton is a little denser than regular cotton.

There are multiple reasons I don't use the term cellucotton but only RAyON . Cellucotton causes too much confusion and relates it to cotton which it absolutely is not.

 

[vassilbg]

Vassilbg, looks good let us know how it goes.,

next time try what I think would be the best method for kayfun

Straight coil, cut the tails so they just touch the deck, then fan them out after you put the chamber on.

I'll try that next build for sure. Shall I go with a 1.5ohm around 1/16 bit or 1.5ohm around a 5/64 bit?