Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Fisheeboy]

Just wanted to say that the rayon is working great on my sub ohms.(0.7) (0.5)
I don't go super sub like some others do but I can say that the rayon is working (wicking) fantastically. On one of my drippers the first two puffs tasted a bit off but it cleared up immediately.
I also got my first true dry hit on rayon last night. Not a good thing but way more easier on the throat than a cotton dry hit.
Damn I hate dry hits.

 

[brianc11111]

I'll try that next build for sure. Shall I go with a 1.5ohm around 1/16 bit or 1.5ohm around a 5/64 bit?

i personally like larger diameter coils......more wick....more juice.....

i kinda like 3/32 on kayfuns.....but my dual coils are on 5/64 but so far thats for space restrictions....
i have never liked itty bitty coils..........
you limit yourself how much juice available to burn

 

[Aal_]

i personally like larger diameter coils......more wick....more juice.....

i kinda like 3/32 on kayfuns.....but my dual coils are on 5/64 but so far thats for space restrictions....
i have never liked itty bitty coils..........
you limit yourself how much juice available to burn

the size has its theories about efficiency and minimizing gunk and of course having more coverage length wise with the same gauge wire and same ohms. I don't remember everything that was discussed about this, the guys at the micro coil thread can elaborate more. but superx set the microcoil dimensions to be between 1.4mm and 1.65mm.

in my experience he is right. I had the best coils using these dimensions.

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[SlickWilly]

Guys,

I'm posting this as a way to help some of you, like the post if you want but please let's not take the thread off topic with replies. Yesterday I picked up a 60pc numbered drill bit set at Harbor Freight for $15 after I used this 25% off coupon.
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They also have fraction sets on sale for the same price, just search "drill bits".

I just used a #55 to open the air holes in a couple new Kanger T3S's that came in the mail today and they cut just fine. Here's the coupon, it's good until 8/8/14 At check out it will discount one item, the highest priced item your buying.

 

[vassilbg]

i personally like larger diameter coils......more wick....more juice.....

i kinda like 3/32 on kayfuns.....but my dual coils are on 5/64 but so far thats for space restrictions....
i have never liked itty bitty coils..........
you limit yourself how much juice available to burn

I haven't tried with a 3/32, but I like your logic and will try it now. Pics to come soon.

 

[Fisheeboy]

So I have this cheap KF clone from FastTech and it has given me nothing but trouble with leaking air flow holes. Seemed no matter how I wicked it it would either leak from the holes or it would give dry hits. Just bad machining is what I think the real problem is. And it's been in the "stuff I don't use any more box" for a month or so now.
But i decided to take advantage of the rayon wicking capability and see if I could wick this thing right and hopefully stop the leaking issue.
Well so for so good. But I've thought that before with this thing so only time will tell.
But I'm feeling pretty confident that this should work because rather than just being soaked liked cotton does the rayon actually wicks and there fore that kinda eliminates the blobby puddling thing you get with cotton. Better to wick to the coil than to ooze to the coil right? Well that's my thinking and if I'm right then hopefully my KF clone can come out of retirement.

 

[vassilbg]

Brian... you are the man! Bigger coil is def better, atleast for me. More flavor, Vapor, TH with 3mg nic and just awesome. Lets see how she does for the next 24 hours...

Only took one pic cause I got excited:

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(8 wraps with 28g on 3/32 came in at 1.4ohm)

 

[bigmaaark]

Update: this is after a weeks worth of use. 6 mls a day so 42 mls ran through it. Even tho it looks gunked flavor still wasn't bad. I could've still used it but wanted to take it apart to see what it was lookin like. I would have to change cotton out every couple days. And I thought I was allergic to the CC, turns out I did end up catchin a cold lol. Been using it exclusively in the kayfun and it works great! Don't think I'm gonna be going back


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[Wow1420]

So I have this cheap KF clone from FastTech and it has given me nothing but trouble with leaking air flow holes. Seemed no matter how I wicked it it would either leak from the holes or it would give dry hits. Just bad machining is what I think the real problem is. And it's been in the "stuff I don't use any more box" for a month or so now.
But i decided to take advantage of the rayon wicking capability and see if I could wick this thing right and hopefully stop the leaking issue.
Well so for so good. But I've thought that before with this thing so only time will tell.
But I'm feeling pretty confident that this should work because rather than just being soaked liked cotton does the rayon actually wicks and there fore that kinda eliminates the blobby puddling thing you get with cotton. Better to wick to the coil than to ooze to the coil right? Well that's my thinking and if I'm right then hopefully my KF clone can come out of retirement.

If you get it working, I would like to hear details of your build. I have one KFL clone that has grand canyon sized channels and it's been nothing but trouble for me.

(my other KFs with "normal" juice channels are working fine)

 

[bsoplinger]

So far looks like I won't have to be swapping that wick out for a while

If that's your first wick, you're going to be surprised by how long the wick lasts and how much cleaner the coil is when you change wicks. This stuff is just amazing in that category.

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[NahkriinKrosis]

Had the cc about maybe 5-7 days. I use the melatonin rayon for about 3 days prior to buying from Sally's. I've done about 6 or 7 builds on my RDAs with cc and one protank

 

[Sploosh]

Well, I bought into the hype train and am now the proud owner of 500 feet of this stuff.

I can confirm that it wicks visibly faster than cotton. The taste is noticeably better as well. Less break in time required too.

I'm a happy camper. I don't see myself going back to cotton.

 

[Cuando]

Going on 3 weeks with this stuff now, just reporting in that I hardly ever remember to actually look inside my RDAs anymore. I'm only changing wicks because I want to or they get a little black. Haven't had to dry burn any coils clean except for miniscule amounts of build up, and I feel no different using the rayon than I did while using cotton.

Also, seeing mention of the CC everywhere. This thread and everyone here has done well to get the word out.

 

[PaulBHC]

Spent part of the afternoon rebuilding kanger bcc and aspire bdc single coils. Used to try 5/64 (some luck) but other people have luck with 1/16 so I tried that. So far they vape well. Waiting to see if they gurgle or leak after a while. Wife has some dark juice that is getting harder to draw on a ET-S after a while. May be clogging or may be too much CC.

 

[Thayamax]

I received a sample of Sally's CCr a couple of days ago from a very generous ECF member (thanks twgbonehead ) to compare to the rayon balls I already have. The first thing I noticed is that the CCr seems to be a bit fuzzier when wicking with it. Perhaps the rayon ball fibers are slightly more uniform? It's not a huge difference.

The CCr also seems to make my sweet juices taste sweeter in my KFL+. I wicked my sweet ADV with CCr and it seemed sweeter than usual. I thought it might be because I'd made my coil smaller when I rebuilt it before trying it. So I rewicked it with the rayon ball in the same coil and it was less sweet at the same voltage. I also made the wicks shorter, so that may have something to do with it. I'll keep experimenting.

 

[Rule62]

I've been experimenting with the 'Sally's' for a couple days now. I'm trying to like the rayon; I really am. There are some things I do like about it. But, at this point, I can't get away from the fact that the Koh Gen Do Japanese cotton pads are so much easier to work with. Once you get the idea of how much to use, it's easy to duplicate exactly the same wick, every time. I haven't got to that point yet with the rayon. I've made some very good wicks with it, but I've also made some that were either too tight or too loose. When you get it right, it's very good. But I don't know if the difference is significant enough to favor it over the ease of the KGD, which is also very good, when set up right.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks thayamax! That confirms my suspicion that the Sally's is a lower grade than the rayon balls and pharmacuitical coil. Also with Brian reporting that the Sally's had a paper type taste and the balls had no taste.... Obviously The balls are cleaner, they've been better rinsed of residual salts. This I believe is why people are reporting that effect. The salt is non toxic but affects flavor. When we find a good source for some small packs of rayon balls, that will be my recommendation.

Remember we're only about 3 weeks in on this so were still learning what is going to be best.

Thanks for everyone's reports and trials!

 

[brookj1986]

I've been experimenting with the 'Sally's' for a couple days now. I'm trying to like the rayon; I really am. There are some things I do like about it. But, at this point, I can't get away from the fact that the Koh Gen Do Japanese cotton pads are so much easier to work with. Once you get the idea of how much to use, it's easy to duplicate exactly the same wick, every time. I haven't got to that point yet with the rayon. I've made some very good wicks with it, but I've also made some that were either too tight or too loose. When you get it right, it's very good. But I don't know if the difference is significant enough to favor it over the ease of the KGD, which is also very good, when set up right.

I agree, at first KGD is easier to work with, and I love kgd, but as with cotton in general, on the rare occasions where you get a dry hit, that stays with you for a long, long time. With rayon, it's gone almost instantly from the back of your throat. That alone is worth the learning curve in my opinion.

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[SlickWilly]

Spent part of the afternoon rebuilding kanger bcc and aspire bdc single coils. Used to try 5/64 (some luck) but other people have luck with 1/16 so I tried that. So far they vape well. Waiting to see if they gurgle or leak after a while. Wife has some dark juice that is getting harder to draw on a ET-S after a while. May be clogging or may be too much CC.

I rebuild my Kanger's too, if you get gurgling then you've got a gap where the wick comes out of the slot opening on each side. Try taking a small amount of twisted CC, pulling the lenght tight work it down past the wick/coil so it ends up under it. You only need enough to fill the gap, if you lay it on top of the coil it may suck up against the hole in the cap/stem and make for a harder draw. You may need to to clamp the base so it doesn't slide around while your working on it, I like these for that --> Suction-Cup Holders - Dorsett Vapor

Also, I drill out the three air holes in the base of my Kanger's as well as the bottom center contact pin in the base of the coil assembly, it really opens up the draw and it's amazing how big of a difference it makes. When I go to my local shop and try flavors in the stock clearomizers it's like sucking straw of a super think milkshake and I can't believe I use them like that for a year and a half.

 

[JeremyR]

I'll try that next build for sure. Shall I go with a 1.5ohm around 1/16 bit or 1.5ohm around a 5/64 bit?

In tank rbas I'm having better results with bigger than 1/16. - 5/64 or 3/32

This is my opinion at this time, take it for what you will..

The micro coil to me is squashed when using rayon through coil, because it goes to another level above anything you could ever accomplish before. It gives up the juice So fast to the coil resulting in clean coils more nic hit vapor and juice consumption that what ever benifit you had from a 1/16 is really no longer needed. But what is needed is enough rayon that isn't going to be instantly drained by high wattage. Think pipe sizes. Bigger pipe more flow.

5/64 is about as small as you want to go in my mind right now. Unless your doing a beded set up then you can go micro and nano.

1/16 was fine on an ego though, and I have done 1/16 in and rba but with wide open 5/64 air flow. I'll also add I had no issue with a 1/16 in a vertical external wrap because there's a lot of rayon around the outside.