Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[JeremyR]

I agree, at first KGD is easier to work with, and I love kgd, but as with cotton in general, on the rare occasions where you get a dry hit, that stays with you for a long, long time. With rayon, it's gone almost instantly from the back of your throat. That alone is worth the learning curve in my opinion.

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Hi brook I don't think I had a chance to welcome you to the thread. Welcome!

I've read your posts and appreciate and agree with this. And as you figure it out you'll find it gives a good warning before a dry hit.

 

[JeremyR]

Update: this is after a weeks worth of use. 6 mls a day so 42 mls ran through it. Even tho it looks gunked flavor still wasn't bad. I could've still used it but wanted to take it apart to see what it was lookin like. I would have to change cotton out every couple days. And I thought I was allergic to the CC, turns out I did end up catchin a cold lol. Been using it exclusively in the kayfun and it works great! Don't think I'm gonna be going back
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That's great mark! Glad you stepped up your vape game. 3-4 times the life of cotton wick!

I still see a lot of potential for you.. Just think you've just started using this... As you perfect your wicking it will get even better. I've gone 2 weeks and come out like that. Still didn't really taste bad at all; just figured it was time to change.

 

[JeremyR]

Well, I bought into the hype train and am now the proud owner of 500 feet of this stuff.

I can confirm that it wicks visibly faster than cotton. The taste is noticeably better as well. Less break in time required too.

I'm a happy camper. I don't see myself going back to cotton.

Welcome to the thread,
glad to have you on board, as you found out there was no hype here. Just real results. You just have to figure it out like with any new wick material.

 

[JeremyR]

Oh I forgot to mention, I'm down to 1.5% flavoring on my hangsens Arabic down from 3%. Still getting great flavor. Most others that use it in the hangsen thread are at 6-9% , but they don't use rayon..

 

[tw33k]

I just re-wicked my Russian after about a week of using Gorilla Juice. Using cotton, I would get 3 tanks max before I had to change, with the CC I must have gone through over 10! That's insane! And the wick had no black on it at all, I changed it because the taste was a little off. With the new wick, the Russian is again kicking my ... with nic hit. It takes a while to get used to at 24mg.

 

[tmcase]

In tank rbas I'm having better results with bigger than 1/16. - 5/64 or 3/32

This is my opinion at this time, take it for what you will..

The micro coil to me is squashed when using rayon through coil, because it goes to another level above anything you could ever accomplish before. It gives up the juice So fast to the coil resulting in clean coils more nic hit vapor and juice consumption that what ever benifit you had from a 1/16 is really no longer needed. But what is needed is enough rayon that isn't going to be instantly drained by high wattage. Think pipe sizes. Bigger pipe more flow.

5/64 is about as small as you want to go in my mind right now. Unless your doing a beded set up then you can go micro and nano.

1/16 was fine on an ego though, and I have done 1/16 in and rba but with wide open 5/64 air flow. I'll also add I had no issue with a 1/16 in a vertical external wrap because there's a lot of rayon around the outside.

You guys are talking about drill bit sizes but that doesn't help those of us that don't have a bunch of drill bits. What would you compare a 5/64 to? What would be a drill bit size of a wood round toothpick?

 

[PaulBHC]

Here is a thread where people post their coil builds. Some are toothpicks, paper clips and other items. If you can get syringe needles (from a farm store for animals or where ever) I have a page for those that shows equivalent sizes.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/446263-micro-coils-ohms-description.html

 

[TheKiwi]

You guys are talking about drill bit sizes but that doesn't help those of us that don't have a bunch of drill bits. What would you compare a 5/64 to? What would be a drill bit size of a wood round toothpick?

5/64 = 2mm drill bit if that helps.

Personally for me, the tooth picks in my house have been all different, ranging from 1.9mm to 2.4mm. So im not sure that would be a useful way to compare.

In the perfect world, all 510 connections would have the exact length and threading. And all tooth picks would have the same diameter hahahahah


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[dogcat]

this guy seems to be saying to use less cellucotton than cotton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8pk3qRizU

 

[Rossum]

Personally for me, the tooth picks in my house have been all different, ranging from 1.9mm to 2.4mm. So im not sure that would be a useful way to compare.

Right, one of the main reasons to use drill bits as mandrels is because you know their diameter is going to be pretty much spot on. And unlike wood, they're hard and smooth and won't deform if you wind your coils under some tension (which you should). They're also cheap. A two-pack of 5/64" bits costs $1.77 at Home Depot.

 

[f1vefour]

I prefer to use the metric system when talking about airhole and coil diameter, most people don't for some reason.

5/64 is just seems like an insane measurement when you could just say 2mm.

Not knocking on people who use the standard system, just saying.

 

[Fisheeboy]

If you get it working, I would like to hear details of your build. I have one KFL clone that has grand canyon sized channels and it's been nothing but trouble for me.

(my other KFs with "normal" juice channels are working fine)

Sorry I can't provide pictures.
But I'll try to be detailed as much as I can.
My coil was wrapped on a 1/16 screwdriver at 1.5 ohms if that matters.
I position the coil so that the openings are facing the juice channels.
I used a fairly thick piece of rayon. So much so that when pulling it through the coil you would think it was too much. It was a tight fit but not so tight that it had to be forced but tight enough that if I wasn't careful to hold onto the coil the pressure being applied to pull the wick through may have shifted the coil.( I use 30g)
Then I put the bottom piece of the chimney on and cut the wick about a centimeter above the top of that piece. This left just enough tail to push down around the edges but not too much as to have to STUFF it around the edges. The amount of wick tail being pushed down the sides to the juice wells is the key to this I believe.
I really do apologize for not being able to post any pics. I know how frustrating that can be for all of us here.
I've been vaping the KF all day and have gone through a tank and a half and have had zero leaking or dry hits. Even after I refilled it. That's impressive because that's usually when things go bad.

 

[JeremyR]

this guy seems to be saying to use less cellucotton than cotton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8pk3qRizU

Yeah there's a big difference in how we all made out cotton wicks! I realize that now.... I never rolled mine or as dense as he showed. I've got a video coming up tonight.

 

[Tbev]

On a kf I run over 2mm, prolly closer to 3 with rayon.

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[tmcase]

5/64 = 2mm drill bit if that helps.

I don't have any mm drill bits but I have some 2mm ecowool and when I lay it on top of a 1/8 drill bit it seems to be the same size. So how far off is 1/8 to 5/64? Gez I hate fractions.

 

[JeremyR]

I just watched Pegasus1337 YouTube video on cellucotton. He is saying to use less than cotton and he does wick it less in his demonstration. People are not going to be happy with those results.

I just watched this video... It was a good review, positive results.

If they tight rolled thier cotton I does make sense. I never did. I guess that's why some have instant sucess and some don't. Those that made thier cotton wicks like I did - got it.

Edit-
I just read the tread over at redit.. Wow, very happy; everyone loves it!!

Got quite a chuckle what they were like there's a 100 pages on ecf and there was not a word here.

 

[TheKiwi]

I don't have any mm drill bits but I have some 2mm ecowool and when I lay it on top of a 1/8 drill bit it seems to be the same size. So how far off is 1/8 to 5/64? Gez I hate fractions.

Well. A 1/8 is pretty damn big. It's 8/64.

Going from 1/16 (which is 4/64) to 5/65 is a pretty big difference for me, so I would imagine 8/64 being massive.

ETA: yup. 1/8 is huuuuuge. That's a 3.2mm coil right there. Thats a whole 1.2 mm larger than a 5/64. I Don't use smth that big on anything other than my drippers. Nods

ETA: just wanna point out that it's entirely just my own preference. I know a lot of folk who run 3mm coils and love it

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[JeremyR]

Here's the link to the video of my wicking tonight.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QpVveXbZD4U

I am holding the other end of the wick when I'm pulling it through the coil and stretching it

 

[SteamHead]

this guy seems to be saying to use less cellucotton than cotton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8pk3qRizU

Check out the comments at the top of this video.... I'm wondering if this guy messed up and got cotton CC?

 

[Zach904]

Just wanted to add to the positive reviews... I stumbled across this thread 2 weeks ago or so.. After reading up to page 70 where the initial mention of cellucotton starts, and seeing the hype over cellucotton explode as more people tried it, I finally bought the 500 foot roll for myself. Been using this stuff for 10 days or so and it is everything that people have been claiming.. Better flavor, cleaner vape, the wick is cleaner when I go to examine it compared to cotton, the nic does seem a bit stronger.. This stuff has been pretty awesome. I can tell when I am almost out of juice, with cotton I would go from a saturated hit straight to an awful dry hit... I feel this stuff gives me more of a heads up when I need to refill. I have shared this stuff with my local vape group, and have not seen a negative response yet. It can be tricky wicking something like a kayfun though. Cellucotton requires more coverage than cotton in the coil and the tails are really thick as a result. I just put a few strands of the tail into the channels with the rest inside the chimney and I don't have any dry hit issues. I just got an Aqua clone and the channels are huge in that thing, which works well with this stuff.