Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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JeremyR

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That looks incredible dense though.
Although the description does Mention the use for plugging up vials

But it pulls right apart similar to a cotton ball.

I'm working on a new very cheap supplier, waiting to hear back from the manufacturer. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

Cool tbev, What type are you trying to source tbev?
 
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I just learned that zippo lighters use rayon to hold the fluid, not cotton.

I wonder how these rayon balls would work, similar to cotton ball use?

Amazon.com: Kendall Cotton Ball Medium Rayon NonSterile - Pack: Health & Personal Care

Rayon Balls | Fabco - First Aid Bandage Company


Cool man, the rayon balls look like they should be the same fiber cut I had. Good find, should be just right! . Now how much are they..

Yeah rayon is widely known to be more absorbant than cotton. I've seen it mentioned in different industries during my research.
 

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& weinner - good idea, will have to give it a try.. It may work.. The copped is looking better, so far after som trials I cut 3 pieces at 1/4", 3 at 1/2", 1 at 1 inch. Mixed all together in a pot, then formed what looked like a rope.. Will try more of the smaller cuts next try... There were some stray fibers laying around and when put together they looked better.. But the rayon fibers are finer the tencel is a thicker individual fiber.


Yeah, it just popped in my head when I seen the third picture down because it looks exactly like a lock of hair before and after back combing.

Hey JeremyR, does it say on the bottles if it contains rayon? The eBay seller is apparently taking their good ol time shipping it.
 

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I wouldn't touch this with my worst enemy's lungs, it's man made from cellulose polymers, & what ever else the manufacturer wants to put in, cotton, hemp & ramie are natural fibers

The cellulose isn't the issue whatsoever, in fact cellulose is basically pure wood pulp, like wood/bamboo thrown into a blender.

~But the only thing that worries me are the powerful acids/catalysts needed to process said harmless cellulose polymers. (Which is a shame, because it's properties sound amazing for vaping, technically it should wick better than cotton because it's "smoother" and could be made thinner than other natural fibers.) The fact that they're put in medicine containers is proof enough to me that they're food-safe at room temperature.
-Sodium Hydroxide
-Carbon Disulfide
-Xanthates

These are the processing substances that made my ears perk up, because they're notoriously nasty substances, in fact I was given a run-down this semester on the top two about how harmful they can be in small quantities and actually are a source of pollution in China. It's probably unlikely that a substantial amount of these powerful dis-solvents are actually in Rayon/Viscose, but I wouldn't want to try unless I was positive.

I'm really trying to be productive here Jeremy, I'm really not trying to bash Rayon whatsoever :D. I'm just throwing in some input that I actually learned in micro-bio. recently by coincidence, I'm 99% positive that if you don't caramelize that fiber whatsoever, you'll be perfectly ok. But I would stop if you get a dry hit, because depending on the solvent, it could be kinda harsh on the lungs. Not like melting your lungs bad, but probably something like walking into a room where someone sprayed too much bug-spray (weird example, but very close believe it or not, some of those solvents above affect the nervous system (in huuuge quantities relative to the amount in a little fiber wick.
 

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Thanks tree head. I have no issue at all with it and appreciate you stoping by! Debating this is how we will determine its safety and efficacy.

I rarely if ever have had the rayon scorch on me. 99% of the time ts the coil dry hitting. Which is nasty, inspection of the rayon shows no burning. Pretty wierd really, even when I thought it scorched no sure I it really did. Dry hitting a coil is really bad.

I've investigated the chemistry behind it.. I'll bring that forward soon. The cbyemical bonds are broken and a complete release is the product of the reaction.

Rayon is usually certified free of harmful chemicals per my post above.

I'm a skilled researcher, knowledgeable in chemistry, and I am still digging and fact checking.
 
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Thanks tree head. I have no issue at all with it and appreciate you stoping by! Debating this is how we will determine its safety and efficacy.

I rarely if ever have had the rayon scorch on me. 99% of the time ts the coil dry hitting. Which is nasty, inspection of the rayon shows no burning. Pretty wierd really, even when I thought it scorched no sure I it really did. Dry hitting a coil is really bad.

I've investigated the chemistry behind it.. I'll bring that forward soon. The cbyemical bonds are broken and a complete release is the product of the reaction.

Rayon is usually certified free of harmful chemicals per my post above.

I'm a skilled researcher, knowledgeable in chemistry, and I am still digging and fact checking.

Right on brother, I probably should've read through the entire post first :p. I was thinking there'd be a regulated and safe Rayon out there, I like the sound of it. Boy that'll be a great day when we find something that wicks better than cotton! :) I like the sound of it, I personally don't need my wick to absorb, I just like it to transport, which I thought was cool that you mentioned.

I'd be even fine with a wick that just moved juice around to be honest lol, as long as it does it faster than cotton, it doesn't have to do anything in my opinion, that's what the deck is for anyway. How is hemp and bamboo by the way? I've been really interested in both recently, and like the sound of some fluffy hemp on my coils. Interesting post!
 

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So here we go!

My stuff was labeled white tencel lyocell fibers.
It looks like hair, not like cotton at all, while feeding thru a coil they just slip right thru, granted I packed the coil with less than I probably should have but here's my first build 28 ga kanthal, @0.6ohm.
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Notice it is stiff, like ceramic kinda.
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I like it, it's quite different from cotton with wicking: there's not really a warning like cotton when your running out of juice, which is a good thing in a tank I think, because it wicks so will it is fully saturated until it's dry. In a dripper, what I'm doing currently, I just have to pay attention to not run it dry.

In a dripper is also tough BC it's not moldable like cotton however the taste is very clean.

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I feel like it would not do well in a genny BC unlike cotton, it stays streight, I can't get it to fluff up like I would with cotton in a genny above a vertical coil to hold it in place and keep it from falling down into the tank.

I don't know for sure tho as I haven't tried yet.
I would assume it would work in a genny with dual coils running a U wick. That, I think, may work very well.

It's holding up just fine in a dripper @0.5 0hm

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Ahh the chilling effect got you.. You may have been scared away but you'll be back.. Purely because of how it works. No worries man I've been there. We'll see how it goes.

Lyocell is processed non toxic and claims no chemicals. This is to improve manufacturing safety.
just ordered some myself here in canada. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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