No I went with the regular rayon top. The other one had a considerable back order.
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No I went with the regular rayon top. The other one had a considerable back order.
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Production method for Rayon:
Cellulose: Production begins with processed cellulose
Immersion: The cellulose is dissolved in caustic soda: (C6H10O5)n + nNaOH → (C6H9O4ONa)n + nH2O
Pressing: The solution is then pressed between rollers to remove excess liquid
White Crumb: The pressed sheets are crumbled or shredded to produce what is known as "white crumb"
Aging: The "white crumb" is aged through exposure to oxygen
Xanthation: The aged "white crumb" is mixed with carbon disulfide in a process known as Xanthation, the aged alkali cellulose crumbs are placed in vats and are allowed to react with carbon disulfide under controlled temperature (20 to 30 °C) to form cellulose xanthate: (C6H9O4ONa)n + nCS2 → (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n
Yellow Crumb: Xanthation changes the chemical makeup of the cellulose mixture and the resulting product is now called "yellow crumb"
Viscose: The "yellow crumb" is dissolved in a caustic solution to form viscose
Ripening: The viscose is set to stand for a period of time, allowing it to ripen: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + nH2O → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + nNaOH
Filtering: After ripening, the viscose is filtered to remove any undissolved particles
Degassing: Any bubbles of air are pressed from the viscose in a degassing process
Extruding: The viscose solution is extruded through a spinneret, which resembles a shower head with many small holes
Acid Bath: As the viscose exits the spinneret, it lands in a bath of sulfuric acid, resulting in the formation of rayon filaments: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + ½nH2SO4 → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + ½nNa2SO4
Drawing: The rayon filaments are stretched, known as drawing, to straighten out the fibers
Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals
Cutting: If filament fibers are desired the process ends here. The filaments are cut down when producing staple fibers
Cellulose: Production begins with processed cellulose
Immersion: The cellulose is dissolved in caustic soda: (C6H10O5)n + nNaOH → (C6H9O4ONa)n + nH2O
Pressing: The solution is then pressed between rollers to remove excess liquid
White Crumb: The pressed sheets are crumbled or shredded to produce what is known as "white crumb"
Aging: The "white crumb" is aged through exposure to oxygen
Xanthation: The aged "white crumb" is mixed with carbon disulfide in a process known as Xanthation, the aged alkali cellulose crumbs are placed in vats and are allowed to react with carbon disulfide under controlled temperature (20 to 30 °C) to form cellulose xanthate: (C6H9O4ONa)n + nCS2 → (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n
Yellow Crumb: Xanthation changes the chemical makeup of the cellulose mixture and the resulting product is now called "yellow crumb"
Viscose: The "yellow crumb" is dissolved in a caustic solution to form viscose
Ripening: The viscose is set to stand for a period of time, allowing it to ripen: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + nH2O → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + nNaOH
Filtering: After ripening, the viscose is filtered to remove any undissolved particles
Degassing: Any bubbles of air are pressed from the viscose in a degassing process
Extruding: The viscose solution is extruded through a spinneret, which resembles a shower head with many small holes
Acid Bath: As the viscose exits the spinneret, it lands in a bath of sulfuric acid, resulting in the formation of rayon filaments: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + ½nH2SO4 → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + ½nNa2SO4
Drawing: The rayon filaments are stretched, known as drawing, to straighten out the fibers
Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals
Cutting: If filament fibers are desired the process ends here. The filaments are cut down when producing staple fibers
Wicking liquid is very fast, consistent, and efficient; holds more juice in same space, has helped to eliminate leaking on my RDAs, provides amazing taste, and more/denser vapor. Something that was hit or miss with my cotton builds, what can I say - I'm learning.
I was just getting great wicking builds with Sheseido cotton when in a local vape shop today dwcraig1 mentioned about rayon, another veteran vaper joined in and the store gave me a large sample. Thanks VapeUP USA.
It seems with rayon I don't have to learn the perfect build with cotton to achieve the near perfect build every time!!! It's a beginners paradise!!!!
BTW - Thanks to JeremyR for the time and research and making this known.
I was just getting great wicking builds with Sheseido cotton when in a local vape shop today dwcraig1 mentioned about rayon, another veteran vaper joined in and the store gave me a large sample. Thanks VapeUP USA.
It seems with rayon I don't have to learn the perfect build with cotton to achieve the near perfect build every time!!! It's a beginners paradise!!!!
BTW - Thanks to JeremyR for the time and research and making this known.
Wicked my Norbert Origins V2 tonight with the Golden Fleece. I used a 5/6 wrap of twisted 28awg around a 5/64 mandrel. It was a 0.3ohm build and at 30 watts my Cloupor is putting out 3.1volts. The left top wick could have come out better and a little fuller. Watching Jeremy ' video was helpful but still need to work on the "perfect" wicking. I did a vertical build as I envisioned the CC wicks dropping straight into the deep wells and just sopping up the nectar into those coils. I spread the lower wicks onto the bottom of the deep wells. They are more frayed than solid CC. I figured with the wicks dropping straight down from the base of the coils, the wicks would be insane and I was right. I squonked some Puff Puff Vapor Creamy Banana Pie 100% vg into the deep wells and watched through a 6X magnifier as the nectar sopped up into the wicks. Fired it up a few times and she hissed and spewed like a feral alley cat. At 30 watts on my Cloupor the vape is cumulus nimbus and the flavor from 100% VG is out of this world. Jeremy is my ECF Super Hero
...here is a pic of the soppy wicks and the deep wells ready to be sucked up into glorious vapor.
...here is a pic of the soppy wicks and the deep wells ready to be sucked up into glorious vapor.
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Here is how cotton is produced:
Raw Materials
The materials required to take cotton bolls to spun cotton include cottonseeds for planting; pesticides, such as insecticides, fungicides, and herbicides, to battle disease and harmful insects; and fertilizers to enrich the soil.
Cotton growing is a long, involved process and growers must understand the requirements of the plant and keep vigilant lookout for potential problems. Pests must be managed in order to yield high-quality crops; however, growers must use chemicals very carefully in order to prevent damage to the environment. Defoliants are often used to maximize yield and control fiber color. Farmers must carefully monitor moisture levels at harvesting so bales will not be ruined by excess water during storage. Soil tests are imperative, since too much nitrogen in the soil may attract certain pests to the cotton.
There is much discussion regarding the amount of chemicals used in cotton cultivation. Currently, it is estimated that growers use, on average, 5.3 oz (151 g) of chemicals to produce one pound of processed cotton. Cotton cultivation is responsible for 25% of all chemical pesticides used on American crops. Unfortunately, cotton attracts many pests (most notably the boll weevil) and is prone to a number of rots and spotting, and chemicals are used to keep these under control. There are concerns about wildlife poisoning and poisons that remain in the soil long after cotton is no longer grown (although no heavy metals are used in the chemicals). As a result, some farmers have turned to organic cotton growing. Organic farming utilizes biological control to rid cotton of pests and alters planting patterns in specific ways to reduce fungicide use. While this method of cultivation is possible, an organically grown crop generally yields less usable cotton. This means an organic farmer must purchase, plant, and harvest more acreage to yield enough processed cotton to make the crop lucrative, or reduce costs in other ways to turn a profit. Increasingly, state university extension services are working with cotton farmers to reduce chemical use by employing certain aspects of biological control in order to reduce toxins that remain in the land and flow into water systems.
Here is a list of 16 pesticides used on cotton: http://www.toxicfreenc.org/informed/pdfs/Cotton_chems.pdf
Cotton is one of the most chemical-intensive crops in the world, because it requires so many applications of insect-killers, weed-killers, plant growth regulators.
Worldwide, cotton covers 2.5% of the cultivated land and cotton growers use 16% of the world’s pesticides. Eight of the top 10 pesticides most commonly used on U.S. conventionally produced cotton were classified as moderately to highly hazardous by the World Health Organization. The Environmental Justice Foundation elaborates more on the world wide negative effects of pesticide use in cotton.
Cotton (83%) is one of the top four GMO crops produced in the world which includes soy (89%), canola (75%) and corn (61%). GMO cotton production ranks ninth in global crop production.
On an average, 90 percent of U.S. cotton in 2010 was genetically engineered, according to a USDA survey. However 95 to 98% of all cotton is now genetically engineered in nine of the eleven cotton producing states surveyed. (Source USDA Economic Research Service, July 1, 2011.) The Huffington Post recently posted an excellent blog with more information and commentary on the issue.
If you think organic cotton has no chemicals in it either, think again.
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had to go back to my usual avi for all my forums.......MUSHROOMHEAD!!
i even have a large tattoo of it
Vwelz, what's your comment on that?
This has been covered and a whole lot more. That generic breakdown is extremely easy to find.
Seems like you don't have one because you don't know what the complete process is or what it means. I'm assuming that because; you did not make a comment. You just flash posted it like you think found something bad..
Ending up with (cellulose OH + na2So4)
It's then washed to remove excess salts. To become regenerated cellulose chains.
Generally called - (Cell OH)
This has been covered and a whole lot more. That generic breakdown is extremely easy to find.
Seems like you don't have one because you don't know what the complete process is or what it means. I'm assuming that because; you did not make a comment. You just flash posted it like you think found something bad..
Ending up with (cellulose OH + na2So4)
It's then washed to remove excess salts. To become regenerated cellulose chains.
Generally called - (Cell OH)
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Thanks warf, don't forget Fukushima in Japan, and whatever microscopic bugs are stuck in it.
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The extruded through a spinneret reminded me of manmade dragline spider silk.
AMSilk | high performance materials: Biosteel Spidersilk Fibers
If ever financially attainable it might make a terrific wick. Much higher temp resistance than silkworm silk, stable to 230 degrees C.
http://nsrdec.natick.army.mil/LIBRARY/90-99/R94-30.pdf
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Right on Girl!I personally think Rayon was born for 100% VG, which is thick, hard to wick (for anything else), and somewhat mutes flavor because of it's thickness. Almost anything other than this "cloud science" juice I have made with PG is almost too intense, so I hear you there. I vaped a total PG "skittles" made by my local vape lounge...I almost needed a shot of insulin. I tasted skittles for the next 5 minutes, almost like I took a sip
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Try something full VG if you have it around, or my recent favorite honeydew/coconut by Virgin Vapor. They are normally fairly light, or "watery" flavors, due to the natural fruit, but with Rayon, it tasted just like sinking my teeth into a mouthwatering honeydew.
I tried using some 100% VG juice from Open Source (their extra thick for drippers) and had no problem wicking it with rayon in my kayfuns. I agree that this really opens up the ability to use 100% VG in places it only worked so so before or had to have water added to wick with cotton.
Vwels, since you made no comment I'm assuming..
Pure Oxygen increases flammability, hydrogen is explosive. When they are combined properly it's becomes a completely different substance know as water. That's chemistry.
Pure Oxygen increases flammability, hydrogen is explosive. When they are combined properly it's becomes a completely different substance know as water. That's chemistry.
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Not to split hairs, but I thought that oxygen was an oxidizer, not flammable by itself. Since it is a great oxidizer it is kind of hard to test that though, LOL.
Jeremy, sorry, but I gotta correct one thing -- Oxygen is NOT flammable, it is an oxidizer which will enhance the flammability of another substance and will cause much larger flames if something is already aflame, but a spark in pure oxygen will not cause fire.
Stupid Haz Mat training had to come out. Class 2.2 in the IATA classification. Non flammable gas.
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Vwels posted in another thread about using rayon with success so not sure if there was a point to the post or just info.
Vwls has had a change of heart on rayon
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-do-you-prefer-post13557773.html#post13557773
"Well I was sold on Rayon till someone in another forum schooled me on how it's made. Now I won't touch it... back to organic cotton."
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-do-you-prefer-post13557773.html#post13557773
"Well I was sold on Rayon till someone in another forum schooled me on how it's made. Now I won't touch it... back to organic cotton."
Nope, don't wanna know. If I knew how our food was made, I'd probably starve to death. I hear enough bad about it as it is anyway.
Sausages. Anyone care to post how they're made?
Or how about the process by which the nicotine that most of us vape is extracted from tobacco...
Oh you mean like how the meat is grounded up and soaked in ammonia to kill the bacteria....?
Hahahahah sorry if I messed up someone's lunch today.
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Sausages. Anyone care to post how they're made?
Or how about the process by which the nicotine that most of us vape is extracted from tobacco...
No and I probably don't want to know.
Did you know that olives are soak in lye to make them possible to eat.
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