Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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Those of you thinking about trying Rayon as a #wick . Here is how Rayon is made - from wikipedia - with lovely caustic chemicals. Several folks are saying it wicks better and tastes "cleaner" than cotton. I say wear it, don't vape it :)
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Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals

Michael, have you ever looked at how PG, VG and nicotine are produced?
 

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THere is how Rayon is made - from wikipedia - with lovely caustic chemicals.
Dude... get it in your head... noone cares how rayon is made. It's what's in or on the final product that matters. And unless you buy the wrong type of rayon (f.e. treated fabrics, anything that's not pure rayon i.e. cellulose fiber) and not from reputable, certified production companies, it's going to be just about the cleanest, most pure organic fiber around. Cleaner than cotton and just about any other fiber based wicking material.

I have written confirmation and proof from one of the biggest rayon fiber producers on the planet.

What do you have... other than some irrelevant quote from Wikipedia?

Go back where you came from and do your homework. Come back when you have something meaningful to contribute. Show us the evidence to prove that rayon evaporates toxic chemicals in this particular application, vaping. We've all heard enough of your Wikipedia powered fear mongering.

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And please get this. I don't hate you and I have all the respect for people who think this may not be safe. But what we need here is relevant facts and science so that we can make progress in this vaping game.
Stuff like what you and so many other armchair journalists in the vaping community are posting does nothing to help us make vaping better and as safe as it can be.
So unless you have something that actually helps, please just be quiet. We've all read this Wikipedia .... around a thousand times now. It doesn't matter.

Go look up what sorts of caustic chemicals are used to produce most of your food. Perhaps then you will see just how useless it is to keep trumping on about chemicals used in rayon fiber production. The product matters, not the production process.
 
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Lol, Sorry no offense really previous poster.

it's like when they said the earth was round.. It will take a while guys! Try to keep it as nice as possible with the people that don't understand.

But yeah, Don't you think we all saw that wiki? Like I did a year ago... Geez that's the easiest thing to find.... There must be something more to it that your missing right?

And I think the horse is starting to like it... AMD trucking?
 

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Those of you thinking about trying Rayon as a #wick . Here is how Rayon is made - from wikipedia - with lovely caustic chemicals. Several folks are saying it wicks better and tastes "cleaner" than cotton. I say wear it, don't vape it :) Rayon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Production method
Regular rayon (or viscose) is the most widely produced form of rayon. This method of rayon production has been utilized since the early 1900s and it has the ability to produce either filament or staple fibers. The process is as follows:

Cellulose: Production begins with processed cellulose
Immersion: The cellulose is dissolved in caustic soda: (C6H10O5)n + nNaOH → (C6H9O4ONa)n + nH2O
Pressing: The solution is then pressed between rollers to remove excess liquid
White Crumb: The pressed sheets are crumbled or shredded to produce what is known as "white crumb"
Aging: The "white crumb" is aged through exposure to oxygen
Xanthation: The aged "white crumb" is mixed with carbon disulfide in a process known as Xanthation, the aged alkali cellulose crumbs are placed in vats and are allowed to react with carbon disulfide under controlled temperature (20 to 30 °C) to form cellulose xanthate: (C6H9O4ONa)n + nCS2 → (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n
Yellow Crumb: Xanthation changes the chemical makeup of the cellulose mixture and the resulting product is now called "yellow crumb"
Viscose: The "yellow crumb" is dissolved in a caustic solution to form viscose
Ripening: The viscose is set to stand for a period of time, allowing it to ripen: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + nH2O → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + nNaOH
Filtering: After ripening, the viscose is filtered to remove any undissolved particles
Degassing: Any bubbles of air are pressed from the viscose in a degassing process
Extruding: The viscose solution is extruded through a spinneret, which resembles a shower head with many small holes
Acid Bath: As the viscose exits the spinneret, it lands in a bath of sulfuric acid, resulting in the formation of rayon filaments: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + ½nH2SO4 → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + ½nNa2SO4
Drawing: The rayon filaments are stretched, known as drawing, to straighten out the fibers
Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals
Cutting: If filament fibers are desired the process ends here. The filaments are cut down when producing staple fibers[1]
High wet modulus rayon (HWM) is a modified version of viscose that has a greater strength when wet. It also has the ability to be mercerized like cotton. HWM rayons are also known as "polynosic"[clarification needed] or can be identified by the trade name Modal.[9]

High-tenacity rayon is another modified version of viscose that has almost twice the strength of HWM. This type of rayon is typically used for industrial purposes such as tire cord.[9]

Cupramonium rayon has properties similar to viscose but during production, the cellulose is combined with copper and ammonia (Schweizer's reagent). Due to the environmental effects of this production method, cupramonium rayon is no longer produced in the United States.[9]
I tried man.

Self fulfilling prophecies won...
 

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Ok I posted this same question in the Cellucotton thread but this one seems to get more traffic (and is longer so reading is taking me longer) but i am gonna be rebuilding all my drippers tonight and wondered if anyone has used this in setups as low as 0.20Ω or in vertical coils successfully.
 

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Ok I posted this same question in the Cellucotton thread but this one seems to get more traffic (and is longer so reading is taking me longer) but i am gonna be rebuilding all my drippers tonight and wondered if anyone has used this in setups as low as 0.20Ω or in vertical coils successfully.

I don't know if this helps but I'm using a vertical at .45 working great and a dual horizontal at .17 (I always had to build with a bigger ID this low but not with rayon, it's working great with 1.5mm ID)
 

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I tried man.

Tried spreading the same fearmongery about the process when it's already been rebutted with information that the chemicals are *not* present in the finished product?

Yeah, you *did* try that - as before, I invite you to find something that *hasn't* been rebutted several times and bring it forward for discussion.
 

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When the thought of 'what Coke does to meat' is bandied about, I like to think of what stomach acid does to steel.

Cool_Breeze,

Don't know about the acids you mentioned can't do with out one and the other comes along with living. :facepalm:

However if you use a swing pool Chlorine and Sulfuric Acid is added to the water and no attempt is ever made to remove it. What you see is what you get. With Rayon the chemicals used are non-existent in the final product.

All these folks posting "Warnings" and links to Wikipedia all I can say is I want to meet the person that claims to understand what the documents says. We all know that most schools/colleges don't allow quotes from Wiki because they are famously more often than not terrible inaccurate and modified by just anyone that wants to take to time to do so without any fact checking.

I have an MSDS from Hercules Fibers for Rayon and as hard as they tried about the only danger mentioned is the potential for a rayon dust explosion something akin to an explosion in a flower mill or saw mill.

Over and Out on this subject.

PS - I agree with brianc11111 "the system is a troll"
 
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