Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[Sandylp]

Sandy,

I don't know why you had the problems you had but it sounds like a little more CC did the trick.

I am using a KF3.1 but as far as wicking they are both the same the KFL and 3.1. I wicked mine with about a 2mm coil and enough CC that I am able to drag the wick back and forth in the coil with a fair amount of friction. I then cut off the wick ends to just reach the bottom of the well deck (no L shape) just barely touching the bottom. I actually was concerned that I cut them off too short but it worked with no dry hits from the get go.

The only time I have trouble with my Kayfun is when I over fill the tank. If I don't leave a pretty big air pocket at the top there is just too much vacuum to allow the juice to enter the tank well.

I fill using the bottom port with the Kayfun upside down (duh) and fill until the juice level reaches about a third of the way up the clear window. If I add anymore juice than that it will dry hit, wick slowly, just generally give me problems no matter what wick material I use.

Anyway not much help I am sure but the Kayfun has always given me trouble wicking and as I said if you over fill the tank it will not work very well at all regardless of the wick material. Try what you would think is under filled and I'll bet you find that solves a lot of problems. "Go-Figure"

Thanks for the reply. Since I've been using the metal tank and filling to capacity, that could be the answer. I was just concerned that the diameter of the coil was causing the dry hits, but it definitely could be that I filled it until the fluid was at the top of the fill hole. I will try filling it with 4mls instead of 5 and see if that makes a difference.

 

[HolmanGT]

Thanks for the reply. Since I've been using the metal tank and filling to capacity, that could be the answer. I was just concerned that the diameter of the coil was causing the dry hits, but it definitely could be that I filled it until the fluid was at the top of the fill hole. I will try filling it with 4mls instead of 5 and see if that makes a difference.

Sandy,

Your as bad as me... try 3 ml until you get all the kinks worked out. 3ml is about what most tanks hold and should last you most of the day assuming you are not part Freight Train.

I watched a video by Mr ZEN about the Zen Pro for the Provari and he recommends the same thing for the ZAP to prevent Vacuum problems. So I tried it with the ZAP it worked so if it is good enough for the ZAP in my infinite wisdom I did the same thing for my Kayfun and Eureka!!!

By the way I don't use the SS section on the Kayfun for the very reason it is hard to tell fill level and you can't see the air bubbles when all is working correctly. I have never had a Kayfun plastic section crack from juice don't know if it is the plastic they use or just been lucky. I think it is the plastic they use because I sure as He11 am not very luck.

 

[Xcighippy]

The first 10 hits are great then dry hit after hit....I have kept putting less and less cc, but same thing

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To me it's the same as wicking with cotton. You either get it right the first time,..or you don't. I know I got it right when I get that nice crackling, popping sound. Then it's usually good throughout it's life. One thing for sure. It outlasts cotton by a long shot. And I get better flavor.
Sorry I couldn't give you a solution to your problem. I can wick what I think is going to be a killer wick and end up having to redo it. The next one I may have doubts about and it ends up being "the one".

 

[Joules_Verne]

And that is because every different metal requires a different speed of drilling. Of course, the smaller holes could be drilled at higher speed. Stainless Steel is not hard at all, but it is very tuff. Therefore you need good quality sharp bits and slower speed drilling. Your Dremel was too fast for the job and your dad's slower drill from the 80s was just right. In this situation too slow drilling is better then too fast.

Edit: Ah yes, use a little lubricant/coolant when drilling SS. Your own saliva works well.

chapstick/winter lip salve works good too !
and keep up a constant pressure or you will polish the SS and the drill-bit = no more cutting...

 

[mnealtx]

I had the crackle/pop until I refilled...then, vapor dropped off.

Probably over-filled based on the last few entries (use fill port, fill to top of clear tank section).

Tencel top arrived, still waiting on Sally CC (and die Erlkonigen, but that's another story).

 

[HolmanGT]

To me it's the same as wicking with cotton. You either get it right the first time,..or you don't. I know I got it right when I get that nice crackling, popping sound. Then it's usually good throughout it's life. One thing for sure. It outlasts cotton by a long shot. And I get better flavor.
Sorry I couldn't give you a solution to your problem. I can wick what I think is going to be a killer wick and end up having to redo it. The next one I may have doubts about and it ends up being "the one".

That is the story of my coil/wicking in a nutshell.

 

[HolmanGT]

chapstick/winter lip salve works good too !
and keep up a constant pressure or you will polish the SS and the drill-bit = no more cutting...

Peanut oil works very well also and will take temperatures up to 500 degrees F. Lots of folks have it in the food closet for the very reason it can be used for cooking without the concern of the oil burning due to its high temp capabilities.

 

[mnealtx]

And you're spamming this here instead of the battery/charger forum, why?

 

[SlickWilly]

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And you're spamming this here instead of the battery/charger forum, why?

Spamming? I posted it here and one other thread because they are 99% of what I watch/follow. Folks have been very kind to me on these threads, I have come to feel friendly with them and wanted to repay the kindness to these folks by giving them a heads up on a great deal on a great charger, something the majority of them use or need. Sorry it offends you, skip my post and get over it or add me to your ignore list.

 

[dave the rave]

So far I've managed to send 10 samples of rayon out to UK vapers so they can try this lovely stuff. I've only got 1100 or so feet of it left, boohoo. Not one person has been negative or undecided about it so far!

 

[HolmanGT]

So far I've managed to send 10 samples of rayon out to UK vapers so they can try this lovely stuff. I've only got 1100 or so feet of it left, boohoo. Not one person has been negative or undecided about it so far!

"Dave the Rave" AKA "Dave the Benevolent",

That is really nice of you to do!!! Also as picky and forever chasing perfection as vapors are it is pretty miraculous that you have not received one negative report on the Rayon.

 

[bsoplinger]

Especially nice since I know its difficult to get in the UK, congrats on being a nice person.

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[abpigdoc]

I had the crackle/pop until I refilled...then, vapor dropped off.

Probably over-filled based on the last few entries (use fill port, fill to top of clear tank section).

Tencel top arrived, still waiting on Sally CC (and die Erlkonigen, but that's another story).

Using the Tencel top since the beginning, my friend! I seem to never have problems with the Roses in the family, or with my Cyclone. Use it in an Aqua clone, but I hate that thing with a passion. After it's filled, it cooks, but I waste juice with a pitiful design...might be just me. The Erlkonigin is in the mail! Looking forward to it's arrival. Looks like a good one!

 

[mnealtx]

Some of the troops here vape, I'm going to be handing out samples of Tencel top and Sally CC (when the CC gets here).

 

[Rawz]

Hello guys. Anyone in Brazil reading this that found something close to the Sally stuff?
I can't find anything around here to use. Here it is named viscose. Seems no one sells it on "fiber balls" format ...

 

[HolmanGT]

Hello guys. Anyone in Brazil reading this that found something close to the Sally stuff?
I can't find anything around here to use. Here it is named viscose. Seems no one sells it on "fiber balls" format ...

Well I am not in Brazil... but have you tried looking under medical supplies. The stuff is sold for use in the treatment of open wounds and in ball form for making your own specialized Q-tip swab kind of things. Maybe ask a druggist (Rx type of course ).

 

[awsum140]

I've got a Nautilus tank sitting on top of a 134, perfect match for each, and I find myself refilling the Protanks I've rebuilt with CC and using them on my Vamo all the time instead. Better vapor, better flavor and far more use before needing a new head with the Protanks with CC. The poor 134 is starting to feel neglected!

 

[WideO]

Right, I said I'd expand a bit on my travels re. this thread. I heard about it on VPLive, checked out the thread, got hooked, and read all (then) 2880 posts. I then made a summary for a dutch forum (duly linking back to here and giving credit to Jeremy) and someone there who had a box of Sally's sent around samples.

The thread was quickly convoluted with "it's not safe" "you are endangering the people here" "you can not prove that it's 100% safe" type posts, and later on it was even stated that rayon contains dioxins. This from people who think bamboo yarn grows on, eh, trees. (it should be called rayon on bamboo basis, see: How to Avoid Bamboozling Your Customers | BCP Business Center)

Anyway, you know the drill, pretty much as has happened here. Note that I put in bold red letters that this is a relatively new wicking material, that you should try it on your own risk, and that Sally's is just one of the products that is being tested.

Apart from all that, I have some very positive experience with it. I think the most in my kfl+ and R91. I never had a "bad" cotton setup, and had the cotton wick pretty much down, but on longer draws and/or higher wattages, I noticed that the last 10% of the inhale was dry-hit-ish. There was something off. Especially with a sweet liquid like Gambit.

This has totally gone with the rayon. It seems very forgiving for me, but then again, I did read the whole thread here, and "stretch" the stuff into the coils, no rolling etc. I can now see what was meant with "drinking" the juice.

Something happened with the vapor as well, and I didn't know how to describe it. It was not so much "more" vapor, and it was not so much "denser" vapor. It wasn't until I read a post here (sorry bud, forgot your name) that stated that it looks more like... smoke now. That is exactly what I experience/see.

Anyway, it works very well. I do think I can taste a hint of it, and when I tried boiling it (normally I'm too lazy, but I have 1200ft of the stuff...) I did see something float on the water; not sure if it was residue or just fibers that had come loose. The boiling does make it go away, but also makes it more difficult to handle.

I have also done my wife's Evods and PT2Mini, and it all holds up pretty well, even with lower ohms/higher voltages. I love it in my Origen V2, and hope for the best when my Magma arrives. It works pretty well in my Taifun GT too. What can I say, it works, and I don't have too many problems. I use the Origen with a dual coil 0.65 ohm setup, pushing 25 W, using my DIY juice (which I jokingly call "Castle Wong", ahem), and it's pretty much vape heaven for me.

Thanks much for all the work and the information. Yes, it's still possible that we find a problem with rayon, but right now I very much doubt it. And the people who tried to tarnish my reputation by saying "you don't know what's in it", well, I hope they will remember where they heard that mantra before.

 

[Blind Owl]

Hey, WideO, that's the spirit! One forum correspondent in particular has been quacking endlessly about all the noxious chemicals used to turn lumber into a wicking material, but he(?) hasn't offered a shred of evidence that those chemicals etc. etc. etc. If you've waded through all this, you've seen plenty more like it.

My thought? I don't know what the fellow's problem is, but if I lived under a bridge and only had the occasional passing goat to gnaw on, I'd probably be bad-tempered too.

 

[bsoplinger]

Something happened with the vapor as well, and I didn't know how to describe it. It was not so much "more" vapor, and it was not so much "denser" vapor. It wasn't until I read a post here (sorry bud, forgot your name) that stated that it looks more like... smoke now. That is exactly what I experience/see.

As I said, being sofa bound so too speak, I've had nothing but time to lie here and stare at the vapor

I've been looking at it for the past 2 weeks at this point. But I guess I needed the combination of the AC running so much to setup currents in the air and some bright sunshine coming in the windows to really make the vapor stand out to the eye and finally my mind relaxed enough that I could free associate until I suddenly realized what I was watching, cigarette smoke. It really was swirling around in here just like I was kicking back to enjoy a smoke. One of those where you're actually fully aware of the cigarette and not the more typical smoking for the sake of smoking. So I pulled out my Fogger V4 instead of my regular Kayfun, just to assure I'd get nice dense vapor and I didn't have a dripper coiled at the time. Just vaped away, really observing the vapor until I was positive I was really seeing a difference. Then wondered over here and posted

Figured it was my chance to give back a little to the thread as a thank you for providing the info in the first place. Granted the standard 750' box is a huge supply, but it was rather nice to see how many folks shared samples with others including me.

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