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[atroph]

You'd want to be around 20w at least on the plume veil to handle the air flow probably. I can see too much air making a harsh hit. It rings a bell to something..

Did you try covering the unused air hole with something.

Yup covered the unused hole and even tightened the open one over the coil up. What I ended up with is a tighter draw just like my Patriot so I said F* it. All I really want is an airy draw when I lung hit so I don't feel like I am sucking a golf ball through a garden hose..lol

If I take long draws all day long my chest starts to get a little weird as I am not a lung hitter according to my smoking history so the technique is new to me. I think it is an unused muscle thing as it goes away if I switch back to my clearos and mouth hit.

 

[JeremyR]

Well it's time to power up.

I feel the same I prefer a loose 2-3 second draw and a big cloud. When I moved from the oddy 1/6 or less air flow @ 13-15w - to the flashi 5/64 open air flow I went to 20-24w.

What mods do you have?

Have you tried the dual coil in the pv? That's what it was made for.

 

[atroph]

IPV2 is my only mod worth mentioning.

Last build was a dual setup in the PV. Harsh as all get out. I even upped to about 35-40W on that build to see if I was too cold. The vape was hot and harsh and way out of my league as something that I would vape with general comfort. Normally on the PV I was running at around 20-25W in single coil mode. I muscled through the vapes for about two weeks before I dropped the first post here. It never hit right for me and was always too harsh. Every once in a while it would be good with a nice plume full of flavor. The rest of the time it was like inhaling alcohol fumes with a little flavoring and I would have to shock the taste buds to get any taste back. I knew when it was hitting bad as I could feel it on the inhale. It was the exhale that revealed the harshness the most.

I won't give up, but for the time being it is sitting all alone at the corner of my desk. I will be ordering some thicker wire in the near future to see if that makes a difference.

 

[etherealink]

No problem... I just know how lost I'd be without my rayon!! Much pain would be inflicted on those who crossed my path.....

I had that moment today... grabbed a seldom used rda that still had cotton in it, juiced it up and took a big drag. [emoji22]

 

[Tbev]

I used to not worry BC I could airways scrounge up enough cotton to rewick if I needed no matter where i was, now I'm finding pieces of rayon in my pockets all the time..

 

[etherealink]

Hey guys earlier today I wanted to post this.

This is how thin my tails are on a dripper and it wicks great lasts long.

OK, gotta post mine in a top feeder...

 

[jaxgator]

Well it's time to power up.

I feel the same I prefer a loose 2-3 second draw and a big cloud. When I moved from the oddy 1/6 or less air flow @ 13-15w - to the flashi 5/64 open air flow I went to 20-24w.

What mods do you have?

Have you tried the dual coil in the pv? That's what it was made for.

I still can't understand what the heck is going on with atroph's PV.

I run mine with 26g .3Ω dual configuration with the air holes wide open and directly in front of the coils. My coils are place very close to the sleeve. On my Stingray it's running around 58 watts and the only time I'll get a harsh hit is if I let it run too dry. I'm getting great flavor and pretty large clouds. Hell, it's the only dripper I even use when at home.

 

[f1vefour]

PG can be harsh, I'm wondering what his PG/VG ratio is.

I would say try some max VG juice in the PV at about 25 watts.

 

[etherealink]

I still can't understand what the heck is going on with atroph's PV.

I run mine with 26g .3Ω dual configuration with the air holes wide open and directly in front of the coils. My coils are place very close to the sleeve. On my Stingray it's running around 58 watts and the only time I'll get a harsh hit is if I let it run too dry. I'm getting great flavor and pretty large clouds. Hell, it's the only dripper I even use when at home.

Jax, I'm with you. My PV in dual with even a .6 ohm build was chucking crazy flavor and vapor.

I was at work all night and read this over and over, while my easily adjustable Cerberus was handy and I just don't get it.

When my coils are below the airholes it gets to be too airy and the flavor and vapor go to hell, the same is common for most standard-style rda's. You want the air to enter below the coil and outboard of it so that you draw the vapor up as up inhale, not choke it out with fresh air... so even a good build can have issues there. Also, keeping the coils near the edge of the deck keeps them close to the air which helps keep them cool while still throwing optimum vapor (in a perfect world).

Even my .3 ohm Patriot will fly with a 27 ga parallel build if set up similar. My conclusion: this one needs pics and a return to basics.

Wrap some solid coils, use the opposite side positive post, center and mount them as far out as possible and just above the oval air hole. Wick as desired and make sure the negative post airholes are open unless you invert the AFC barrel.

Even at .15 ohms I can curb-stomp a PV and have amazing performance if its done right, and yes... many, many times I do it wrong.

Let's make this PV proud again!

Edit: obviously you've done the simple stuff, just thinking out loud after a 13hr night at work.

 

[atroph]

40/60 PG/VG. Too much airflow that I know for sure. High, medium, and low watts. Only way I can get it in check is to close the airflow up and then I have a draw like my patriot. I'll see if I can get a fill of max VG from my B&M and see how it does.

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[etherealink]

40/60 PG/VG. Too much airflow that I know for sure. High, medium, and low watts. Only way I can get it in check is to close the airflow up and then I have a draw like my patriot. I'll see if I can get a fill of max VG from my B&M and see how it does.

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OK slow down. Are we looking for clouds or flavor or a mix of both?

What's the specs on the build?

 

[jaxgator]

Jax, I'm with you. My PV in dual with even a .6 ohm build was chucking crazy flavor and vapor.

I was at work all night and read this over and over, while my easily adjustable Cerberus was handy and I just don't get it.

When my coils are below the airholes it gets to be too airy and the flavor and vapor go to hell, the same is common for most standard-style rda's. You want the air to enter below the coil and outboard of it so that you draw the vapor up as up inhale, not choke it out with fresh air... so even a good build can have issues there. Also, keeping the coils near the edge of the deck keeps them close to the air which helps keep them cool while still throwing optimum vapor (in a perfect world).

Even my .3 ohm Patriot will fly with a 27 ga parallel build if set up similar. My conclusion: this one needs pics and a return to basics.

The PV was my first RDA so it is what I learned on. When looking into the cyclops holes, I can see the bottom edge of the coil ever so slightly. The top edge is just barely out of view. It is an awesome vape!

I have purchased the Magma, TOBH, CLT & Mutation X since the PV. Guess which one gets all my love?

Wrap some solid coils, use the opposite side positive post, center and mount them as far out as possible and just above the oval air hole. Wick as desired and make sure the negative post airholes are open unless you invert the AFC barrel.

Personally, I have closed my neg post air holes off with an off center build on mine. I never noticed any benefit from those holes. The air doesn't really direct very well to the back sides of the coils as intended imo. Great concept, crappy implementation.

OK slow down. Are we looking for clouds or flavor or a mix of both?

What's the specs on the build?

atroph is just trying to use it without getting harsh hits so he is just going to experiment with different vg/pg ratios.

I wonder if he's got the top cap air holes open. I run mine with the black delrin piece almost flush with the top cap.

 

[etherealink]

The PV was my first RDA so it is what I learned on. When looking into the cyclops holes, I can see the bottom edge of the coil ever so slightly. The top edge is just barely out of view. It is an awesome vape!

I have purchased the Magma, TOBH, CLT & Mutation X since the PV. Guess which one gets all my love?



Personally, I have closed my neg post air holes off with an off center build on mine. I never noticed any benefit from those holes. The air doesn't really direct very well to the back sides of the coils as intended imo. Great concept, crappy implementation.



atroph is just trying to use it without getting harsh hits so he is just going to experiment with different vg/pg ratios.

I wonder if he's got the top cap air holes open. I run mine with the black delrin piece almost flush with the top cap.

Lots of interesting points...

I let the neg airholes cool the build a bit but I thin you hit it... Delrin insulator.

Mine went through an autofire and melted the insulator, had to get crafty to keep it working.

Hmmm, good airflow and not harsh with a 60% pg blend... adjust coils to airhole location and up the vg if possible, maybe drop the power...

Btw , 177ml of 100%vg at Walmart is $4. I am currently vaping it...

 

[f1vefour]

OK slow down. Are we looking for clouds or flavor or a mix of both?

What's the specs on the build?

I just suggested it because power + PG can be harsh, I vape 65 PG and it begins to tear my throat up at around 30 watts and I'm used to a higher PG content. High VG (75%+) is much smoother, especially when dripping at high power levels.

Personally I can't stand anything with more than 50% VG.

 

[f1vefour]

Btw , 177ml of 100%vg at Walmart is $4. I am currently vaping it...

You vape it straight, without mildly diluting it with distilled water? I have some humco and that stuff is THICK.

 

[tarkin000]

After having gone back to the drawing board on my problems, I thought I'd check back in with my findings...

I think I had two separate problems that combined to kill coil life and taste:
1) Power lung hitting
2) Coil too high

After taking Jeremy's suggestion about airflow, I thought more was better, and began 'power' hitting the kayfun, trying to suck as much air as I could past the coil.
This did not work, or I should say, after a fresh rewicking, things would work ok for 5 - 7 draws.
This is what finally clued me in...

I began to notice that that after a fresh rewicking, the kayfun would hit like a dripper, then performance and taste would drop like a rock.
I began experimenting with tail thinning, which would extend the number of initial 'good' draws...

The last time I opened up the tank, I noticed the wick darkening on one side.
This side was a little thicker close to the edge of the coil, and also had a sharp kink as it bent down towards the deck.
Looking for ways to remedy the kink, I finally noticed just how high my coil was sitting above the airhole.

BINGO. The coil was too high!

Assemble, fill, and boomstick - nic and taste. Been going strong for a little while now.

Lesson learned: once you nail the rayon density, it magnifies everything - including build problems.

I've also stopped power lung hitting, it just isn't necessary to get the 'clouds' I was looking for.
I mean, I know I'm not going to get dripper clouds out of a kayfun, but when it's tuned wrong I know,
especially because I use higher VG ratios, which make nice 'clouds' when everything is good

Hopefully this also works out my longevity issue, time will tell...

 

[etherealink]

You vape it straight, without mildly diluting it with distilled water? I have some humco and that stuff is THICK.

What can I say, cloud junkie lol. And yea it is thick, warm it up a bit.

Worth it

 

[JeremyR]

OK, gotta post mine in a top feeder...

Them some fat tails. Is that 28g? I'm about ready to step up from 32. It always looks black even a fresh coil. I may have got some low grade kanthal though.. those heavier gauges look so much shinier .

 

[Tbev]

Jeremy, I've used every write ga. From 32 to 22 and on my mechs running 0.25ohm to 0.4ohm I think 24ga is the best, I started with 28ga then twisted it and love that but i think the 24ga has a bit of an edge.

 

[jakematic]

Jeremy, I've used every write ga. From 32 to 22 and on my mechs running 0.25ohm to 0.4ohm I think 24ga is the best, I started with 28ga then twisted it and love that but i think the 24ga has a bit of an edge.

Your next challenge:

That's gonna need a LOT of rayon