Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[jakematic]

I have been using this method for a while. Still dry hit lead to more dry hits but now you get around 4 or 5 warning toots since the wick is touching the coil in more places and takes the form of the coil. The pushing of 2 wicks ensures better coverage at the coil from the inside.

EXCELLENT idea !
Definitely explains my wicks getting thin in the middle due to forgetting to squonk.
Dry hits on rayon... there's nothing like them... <gag>

Figures I just re-wicked last night too....




Wait... you're over here in this thread too ?!

 

[Aal_]

EXCELLENT idea !
Definitely explains my wicks getting thin in the middle due to forgetting to squonk.
Dry hits on rayon... there's nothing like them... <gag>

Figures I just re-wicked last night too....




Wait... you're over here in this thread too ?!

I've been here for a long time. Rayonning for a while now cant remember when. I was just too busy with other threads lol.

 

[etherealink]

Them some fat tails. Is that 28g? I'm about ready to step up from 32. It always looks black even a fresh coil. I may have got some low grade kanthal though.. those heavier gauges look so much shinier .

Yes'sir 28 ga A1...

Jeremy, I've used every write ga. From 32 to 22 and on my mechs running 0.25ohm to 0.4ohm I think 24ga is the best, I started with 28ga then twisted it and love that but i think the 24ga has a bit of an edge.

Not tried 24 yet, 22 is a bit hit and slow to get there and 26 needs a buddy to walk beside before it goes low (parallel) IMHO YMMV

 

[etherealink]

I'm using 28g Kanthal A1... but I need to order some 30 or 32 for my VV-VW builds... I'm gonna have to either have a ton of wraps or use a broom stick to wrap coils with the 28 to get up to 1.8 - 2.2 ohms

1.8 ohms for my wife's kfl is 7-8 wraps at 3/32'...

 

[etherealink]

turns out that 3 lbs of rayon is a very large amount... haha

I have that same problem... bought 2 boxes that size.

 

[atroph]

OK slow down. Are we looking for clouds or flavor or a mix of both?

What's the specs on the build?

The builds have been all over the place. Single coil, double coil, Parallel coil, twisted wires, and plain ol' 30 ga coils. Not a cloud chaser. I would like a balanced vape with an airy draw as I don't care for a tight lung hit. I like to basically inhale normally. I am looking for flavor obviously, but will sacrifice some flavor for vapor production.

They only way I have gotten it close to a good vape is to tighten up the draw until it reaches the point of my Patriot which defeats the purpose of the PV. I'll take the VG comments under advisement and might try vaping pure unflavored VG as mentioned earlier.

Honestly that (PG) could very well be the issue as the hit is harsh and very chemically. Not burnt and not overpowered with flavor, just harsh like breathing alcohol fumes. (There should be no alcohol in my juice BTW).

 

[Aal_]

Aalwani - that's a great idea!

The main benifit I see is that your pulling from both sides if you do it evenly it won't deform your coil because you've got equal pressure from both sides. There could be an issue with getting it too tight though. But that's on the user.

It's all about how you can get it to work for you and get enough density in.

I've never seen a collapse in the middle that wasn't evident at the edge of the coil. Meaning the whole thing is loose from the top of the coil.

Jeremy let me say the main benefit is really getting the density right. I find it physically impossible to get a right density especially in a microcoil with rayon. Well because when you push rayon through a tube the largest part is always the part left behind. With cotton you can get away with it since it puffs in the middle. With rayon on the contrary. With a non contact coil it is more irregular shape so you might ensure contact.

Collapsing in the middle is possible. The middle is the weak point. Believe me I know. I use squonkers a lot and I run my coils near dry all the time on purpose for best experience (for me at least). With a tank it is not obvious but with drippers and bf you can easily have collapsing middle. The edges are too puffed up to collapse. The first edge where you get your rayon in is by default bigger than the middle. The other edge if not pulled a lot, it will hold the wick and not let it collapse at the edge. The middle is a free player it is not held by anything when it collapses it does. Running it back and forth reinforces the edges but weakens the middle. It's like sanding down the middle and puffing the edges. I hope you get my point.

 

[f1vefour]

@atroph

A Russian 91% with the airflow screw out provides a nice airy mouth to lung pull with plenty of flavor/vapor.

It can be an inexpensive R91 style atomizer, doesn't have to be authentic..just got to make sure it has nice juice channels. It is also much smoother than a dripper since the chimney cools the vapor down a bit, still warm at 18 watts but not hot like a dripper.

 

[TheKiwi]

Bloop. On an atomic BF

View attachment 371485

This was a 7/64 id parallel build. I tried to trim off as much of the tail as I could (the tails for a 7/64 coil with rayon is mega ginormous)

 

[f1vefour]

It is hard to get the tails to fit in the atomic, @ 19mm it is quite tiny.

 

[TheoGR]

Sooo I finally got some rayon in my hands. I wasnt sure if it was indeed rayon because it was shipped in a simple plastic bag but as soon as I felt it I noticed the difference. I stuffed a LOT in my kayfun and I can see the better flavor but I am sure it will be better if I put less. Definetely better than my organic balls for sure.

Aaaand I was right! I set up a new coil (1,9Ω, 8 wraps of 30 gauge on a 5/64 drill bit) and I put a whole less rayon than my first build. Man, my mentholated ejuice never tasted better!! So happy I found this topic

 

[SlickWilly]

Thanks Jake... I've played with steam engine a bit, but I'm planning on putting an Orchid V2 on my Tesla... it only goes to 15W and I think shuts down with anything under around 1.7 ohms.... and it's dual coil... ugh, which means I'm gonna have to build 3.6 to 4.4 ohm coils....

Now you see why I'm gunna have to use a broom stick? LOL

That's the problem I have with my Fogger with two coils running on a Vamo. I tried using 28 and that didn't work, I went with 30ga 2.4mm with 14 wraps and I'm at 1.6 ohms. My biggest problem is keeping any kind of shape to the coils while tightening the screws. Even keeping the coils on the drill bits you still need four hands.....

 

[jaxgator]

OK, gotta post mine in a top feeder...

That looks oddly familiar.

Sorry Jeremy, for me, I have to go back to the thick wicks in my Plume that I first tried. I tried the thinned tails but it seems to work much better as pictured above. For me, in my Plume, anyway.

 

[Tbev]

In a dripper I've generally run fat tails as well, but I drip heavy and keep them soaking all the time.

I got ...... @ a couple builds w/ 32ga wire and decided that it sucks, I run 30ga in the vamo, will I just gave my ProVari to my dad, I'm realizing just how much I used it now

. :/

But I do think that 24ga. Is the hot ticket for sub ohm builds, I just wrapped my first build on a tobh I picked up today and it looks cool and all but I think the 24ga is a bit better, the 22ga. Besides taking a second, even @ 0.33ohm holds on a tremendous amount of heat and keeps the atty / mod hot, I almost have to alternate devices to allow them to cool down.... But i am a chain vaper of I do say so myself..

 

[etherealink]

The builds have been all over the place. Single coil, double coil, Parallel coil, twisted wires, and plain ol' 30 ga coils. Not a cloud chaser. I would like a balanced vape with an airy draw as I don't care for a tight lung hit. I like to basically inhale normally. I am looking for flavor obviously, but will sacrifice some flavor for vapor production.

They only way I have gotten it close to a good vape is to tighten up the draw until it reaches the point of my Patriot which defeats the purpose of the PV. I'll take the VG comments under advisement and might try vaping pure unflavored VG as mentioned earlier.

Honestly that (PG) could very well be the issue as the hit is harsh and very chemically. Not burnt and not overpowered with flavor, just harsh like breathing alcohol fumes. (There should be no alcohol in my juice BTW).

And the top cap on the Patriot hasn't been drilled out right?

 

[etherealink]

In a dripper I've generally run fat tails as well, but I drip heavy and keep them soaking all the time.

I got ...... @ a couple builds w/ 32ga wire and decided that it sucks, I run 30ga in the vamo, will I just gave my ProVari to my dad, I'm realizing just how much I used it now

. :/

But I do think that 24ga. Is the hot ticket for sub ohm builds, I just wrapped my first build on a tobh I picked up today and it looks cool and all but I think the 24ga is a bit better, the 22ga. Besides taking a second, even @ 0.33ohm holds on a tremendous amount of heat and keeps the atty / mod hot, I almost have to alternate devices to allow them to cool down.... But i am a chain vaper of I do say so myself..

I had that same problem with 22 ga wire... back to 26 or 27 for me.

 

[TheKiwi]

In a dripper I've generally run fat tails as well, but I drip heavy and keep them soaking all the time.

I got ...... @ a couple builds w/ 32ga wire and decided that it sucks, I run 30ga in the vamo, will I just gave my ProVari to my dad, I'm realizing just how much I used it now

. :/

But I do think that 24ga. Is the hot ticket for sub ohm builds, I just wrapped my first build on a tobh I picked up today and it looks cool and all but I think the 24ga is a bit better, the 22ga. Besides taking a second, even @ 0.33ohm holds on a tremendous amount of heat and keeps the atty / mod hot, I almost have to alternate devices to allow them to cool down.... But i am a chain vaper of I do say so myself..

32ga wires are the worst. I hate them with a firey passion. Skinny springy little buggers.

28 and 26 are my fav, especially for someone like me who prefers mid sub ohm. Definitely helps that they are beefy and stiff enough to withstand the tugs when wicking with rayon.

 

[juggalofisher88]

Alright got my kf3.1 clone in the mail today along with the parts for my raptor box, and some diy stuff. got her all cleaned up, coiled, wicked. Hitting like a champ.
Parallel 30g 5 wrap 1/16id slight gap .65ohm. (instant glow no wait)
The raised deck made it easier to get close to the coil for trimming. Trimmed 3/4 of the bottom of wick about 1mm from coil. Then trimmed the rest of the wick to barely sit on the juice deck.
Phone was dead when building so no pics.
Ill report back if i have any issues.

Forgot how much of a pain filling these things up with out a needle tip was lol, tried from top cap but turned it upside down before screwing it in far enough woops lol.

 

[jakematic]

28 and 26 are my fav, especially for someone like me who prefers mid sub ohm. Definitely helps that they are beefy and stiff enough to withstand the tugs when wicking with rayon.

Ditto.
I can go anywhere from 0.8 - 1.9 ohm with 28, and comfortably about 75% of that with 26.

Once... a long vape ago... in a clearo far far away.... I thought I'd enjoy rebuilding AeroTank heads with 32ga. NOT.

 

[cindycated]

Poor juggalo...you're having just a heck of a time, aren't you?

And as long as it wasn't dirty gym socks or anything gross, I would just rinse that rayon out!