Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[snow blind]

With rayon in the genny I recommend wicking your coil off the atty then feeding the tail thru the deck then mount the coil. Use a very thin, maybe necessary to thin the tail, you don't want it plugging the hole in the deck.
The orchid should be cool, I'd wick it like a fogger v4 and see how that goes, there kids of info about it in the Fogger v4 thread and the orchid thread.

Have any pics? I'm curious to see how it looks. I've only done full thickness (cotton, haven't done rayon b/c of my issues) tails into the gennie tank just recently and it worked decently. I wonder if the principle remains and by thinning the tank end i'll improve wicking? Hmmm.

 

[Tbev]

If just looks like a skinny wick, the idea with a genny is that you don't want to plug up the hole in the deck or it won't wick.

 

[GnarlyCar]

I vape Grenada almost exclusively through a Fogger V4, and have one dedicated to that juice only. This stuff will ruin a plastic tank in less than a few hours, so all my tanks are glass now. I wicked it with Rayon on Sunday, and it performed incredibly well, to the point where I changed all my other attys over to it with similar results. I noticed yesterday in my fourth tank through it with rayon wicking, the juice had gotten considerably darker over the course of the day. It didn't seem to affect flavor, so I kept vaping. When the tank was empty, I took it apart and checked the coils and found the wick to be a little gray where it gets close to the coil. I figured I could expect something to happen to it, so I wasn't terribly concerned and put it back together and filled it up. Today, I can see little darker streaks in the liquid after leaving it sit on my desk for 30 minutes or so. I've vaped Grenada in this tank using cotton yarn wick since the very first Fogger V4s came out about 6 months ago, and for about another 6 months prior to that in Aquas, and I've never seen the juice do this. I'm also noticing a little bit of a chemical taste, however, I'm not convinced this isn't something I may have talked myself into out of fear that Grenada is dissolving my rayon wick. The question, though... Is Grenada dissolving my rayon wick?

 

[Tbev]

It's not dissolving the wick. Based on the fact that it's surfing well, I'd say that the darkness is juice from the wick leaching back into the tank. This happens BC your wick is working very well. If your wick was bigger and plugged the holes more you wouldn't have this problem, but you'd probably get dry hits, nothing to worry about.

 

[awsum140]

I'll wait for Jeremy to weigh in on this one, but since rayon is cellulose and cellulose is wood fiber, I don't think it's dissolving unless there are some pretty specific, and potentially nasty, chemicals present in your liquid.

 

[Tbev]

It's not..........

 

[AMDTrucking]

I was never successful in building Kayfun with Rayon.
I followed your advise and trimmed my wicks (outside the coil) this time.
Do you see anything wrong?
This is 1.4 Ohm 0.6mm Ribbon NR-R-NR

 

[GnarlyCar]

I'll wait for Jeremy to weigh in on this one, but since rayon is cellulose and cellulose is wood fiber, I don't think it's dissolving unless there are some pretty specific, and potentially nasty, chemicals present in your liquid.

I'll buy that reasoning, I suppose, but is it possible that one of the ingredients in a juice that cracks a plastic tank could be reacting to one of the chemicals in the manufacturing process or the material itself?

Incidentally, I'm not at all concerned with the chemicals in my liquid against cotton or hemp or silica. Grenada is a hugely popular juice vaped by a LOT of people worldwide, but being an anise-based liquid, it's very well known to not play well with plastic tanks. Given its propensity toward that chemical reaction, it would stand to reason that it's very possible that it might react unfavorably to one of the chemicals in rayon. If the guy (Jeremy?) who did all the testing didn't do any with anise or cinnamon juices, it's very possible that something's going on in there that we shouldn't be putting in our lungs. I don't know what that ingredient is in Grenada that does it to plastic and rubber, nor do I know everything about rayon, as I was going on the word of everything being posted in here as far as research.

I'd love it if someone could come in here and say that they knew exactly what all those chemicals are and advise on their potential to react with one another, so until that happens, I think I'm just going to go back to Japanese cotton.

 

[jakematic]

I don't know what that ingredient is in Grenada that does it to plastic and rubber, nor do I know everything about rayon

Rayon/cellulose is neither plastic nor rubber.
The final product we recommend here does not contain any chemicals that are used in the manufacturing of it.

Clothing rayon and 'finished' rayon are a completely different animal.


Do what you feel is safe and works best for you.

 

[cindycated]

Didn't somebody else on here, a few pages back, have the same problem of darkening juices? Wasn't coil height, or something like that, the culprit? (not being a smart alec - really don't remember the details)

Dunno, I think if the rayon were dissolving into the liquid, you'd notice the wick getting smaller and smaller, and maybe dramatically changing the viscosity of the liquid (making it more gel-like), not so much discoloring it.

 

[HolmanGT]

Rayon/cellulose is neither plastic nor rubber.
The final product we recommend here does not contain any chemicals that are used in the manufacturing of it.

Clothing rayon and 'finished' rayon are a completely different animal.


Do what you feel is safe and works best for you.

Jake,

You beat me to it.

The only elements in cellulous are Hydrogen, Oxygen and Carbon. That is the chemical makeup of cellulous.

@KnarlyCar, there is not much research listed here in regards to it's safety when used as a wicking material in e-cigs. However it has been used as the wicking material in oil lamps for over a hundred years (there about).

You will acquire a more unknown chemicals sucking on a wooden toothpick (if you can find one) than you will from cellulous.

As far as the liquid turning dark in your tanks that is pretty much par for the course with any e-juice. It will turn darker with time in the bottle it came in, or any clear or semi clear tank you put it in.

Also I find it hard to believe that you have not noticed this phenomenon with other wicking materials. I know I sure have using cotton, XC-116 (Ready X Wick), Ekowool (sp), Silica and whatever they make the solid ceramic wicks out of. All that crud and gunk you see in and around the wick/coil will syphon down into the tank. Have you ever looked at the condensation in the cap of your atty... Yuk, mine always has a bunch of brown condensation in it regardless of what wick material I use.

Just think of cellulous an improvement on Mother Natures wood.

Rant-Over

 

[Tbev]

Yup, that's correct. Nothing is dissolving your wick. ... Again, that's juice leaching back into the tank from the coil and a combination of the juice getting heated up, I don't care what kind of juice your using..

 

[TheKiwi]

Lol that was probably me talki about juice darkening when I was sharing about my kayfun build that lasted forever.

However for mine, the darkening was simply because of the accumulation of the NET particulate in the juice (I was using a 6 to 8 months steeped NET).

I honestly doubt it was ever because of the juice dissolving my wick. When I finally did take the wick out, it looked good as new after a rinse in the tap

 

[JeremyR]

I'll buy that reasoning, I suppose, but is it possible that one of the ingredients in a juice that cracks a plastic tank could be reacting to one of the chemicals in the manufacturing process or the material itself?

Incidentally, I'm not at all concerned with the chemicals in my liquid against cotton or hemp or silica. Grenada is a hugely popular juice vaped by a LOT of people worldwide, but being an anise-based liquid, it's very well known to not play well with plastic tanks. Given its propensity toward that chemical reaction, it would stand to reason that it's very possible that it might react unfavorably to one of the chemicals in rayon. If the guy (Jeremy?) who did all the testing didn't do any with anise or cinnamon juices, it's very possible that something's going on in there that we shouldn't be putting in our lungs. I don't know what that ingredient is in Grenada that does it to plastic and rubber, nor do I know everything about rayon, as I was going on the word of everything being posted in here as far as research.

I'd love it if someone could come in here and say that they knew exactly what all those chemicals are and advise on their potential to react with one another, so until that happens, I think I'm just going to go back to Japanese cotton.

The fact is rayon is pure cellulose. Us government even calls it such. Rayon = pure cellulose per gov agency. Few post back I mentioned doctors and labs use it because it's More pure than cotton and doesn't impart anything into the test sample. Cellulose with hydrogen and oxygen. There are no chemicals present in it.

If it broke it down it would be cellulose and H O . Cellulose is the main component of vegetables.

What you experiencing is back flow just like a pipe. It can go both ways. Cotton only absorbs rayon transports like a pipe. Thinner Tails are key in reducing this.

More later..

 

[Tbev]

And possibly your brain trying to scare you.

 

[Kaezziel]

And possibly your brain trying to scare you.

I don't have that problem... I just tell my brain to shut up and vape.

 

[XBarbarian]

thats good to know.. that the cellucotton is cellulose, hydrogen and oxygen. Ive been using it since I grabbed a 500' foot box at sally beauty a few weeks ago. good to know its not made of industrial waste =) I do find the taste to be much better!

 

[bsoplinger]

I was never successful in building Kayfun with Rayon.
I followed your advise and trimmed my wicks (outside the coil) this time.
Do you see anything wrong?
This is 1.4 Ohm 0.6mm Ribbon NR-R-NR

That looks pretty close to what my Kayfun builds look like. Perhaps I trim my tails more than you have but not by too much. Length wise looks fine, I mean trim out even more of the tail material. I do have to do a single pull with my finger over the airhole to prime as my clones don't have large juice channels. After that I'm golden for between 2 and 3 weeks at a tank a day. Changing flavor is seamless. Just fill with the new flavor and its instantly available. I can vape the tank basically empty then refill.

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[juggalofisher88]

If anyone cares I've rinsed the wick ive been using last few days twice now lol, to get out a lingering anise based(20%!) juice i keep trying to use...
Didn't take wick out because of the way i trimmed the tails i wouldve had to rewick...
Rinsed under tap water dorm a LONG time, then look a small nail file and scraped at the coil all i could reach, the rinsed again..
Pat dry wick with TP, pulse fired 2/3 times. Re juice that sumgum and it hit like new, no lingering steam or anything lol.
My stash of rayon got ruined.... lets not talk about that... lol and don't have the money to buy some. But heck with reaching into that full bag of organic cotton, im gonna keep rinsing this one till i can get some more

 

[Kaezziel]

I can mail you out a bit to get you by for a while if you're in need! Just drop me a PM with an address and I'll try to get some out to you tomorrow...