Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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Jimmy,
Nothing against you but IMHO that Dr Farsalinos is noting more than a "Venture Capitalist" of the worst kind. Just send him your money and someday he will give you the answers you want to hear. While his magic non-existent research is going on he will continue to enjoy your money in the south of Greece.
Just my
on this guy. Why would a Cardiologist spend any time at all researching anything that is not in his field of expertise. Frankly I wouldn't even go to him for heart problems much less anything else.I once worked for a "Venture Capitalist" in the electronics industry. He hoodwinked people out of there money because he claimed to have a better method of refining Titanium than the Russians. He claimed all kinds of test equipment to prove his process. Well a couple of times I had an opportunity to enter the facility and it was an empty shell of a building and the most exotic piece of equipment was a Bunsen burner and a few chemical beakers. But - this guy lived high on the Hog using other peoples money.
I accept the fact that I may be wrong about this guy but at the moment you would be hard put to convince me he isn't just another Snake Oil salesman or Rainmaker.
Jimmy,
Nothing against you but IMHO that Dr Farsalinos is noting more than a "Venture Capitalist" of the worst kind. Just send him your money and someday he will give you the answers you want to hear. While his magic non-existent research is going on he will continue to enjoy your money in the south of Greece.
Just my
I once worked for a "Venture Capitalist" in the electronics industry. He hoodwinked people out of there money because he claimed to have a better method of refining Titanium than the Russians. He claimed all kinds of test equipment to prove his process. Well a couple of times I had an opportunity to enter the facility and it was an empty shell of a building and the most exotic piece of equipment was a Bunsen burner and a few chemical beakers. But - this guy lived high on the Hog using other peoples money.
I accept the fact that I may be wrong about this guy but at the moment you would be hard put to convince me he isn't just another Snake Oil salesman or Rainmaker.
I had some of the same thoughts, take a glass of water, look for something bad in it and you'll find it. My other thought was when he talked about putting temp sensors in atty's and having volunteers vape on them, what chemicals will come off those sensors when they get hot? And he's worried about my rayon? Who want to start a pool on where he'll fall on rayon?
I think you guys are wrong. He will say no more about rayon until it is tested. Dr. F publishes finding favorable and not so favorable to vapers. IMO his response to others research is well researched, presented, truthful and fair.
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Sure hope you are right about him Woofer. Also I am not saying my rather tainted opinion about him is correct but it is a very scientific gut feeling (I think that is an oxymoron).
PS - "beware of Greeks bearing gifts"
He took the pbusardo approach...
Rayon is more pure than organic cotton I can guarantee that.
Rayon is pure cellulose to the molecular level. Cotton is a mass of whatever
Its been around over 100 years!! In that time nothing has ever been found to be wrong with rayon fiber.. Believe me they have tried.. The Dr. won't find anything real...
Real chemical scientists have tested it with highly advanced equipment... He will not have access to equipment this complex or advanced.
Until its tested, it has been tested for years. I just recently linked chemistry books on the subject.
Rayon is akin to purified water. Its a purified form of cellulose. More pure than you can find in nature.
Rayon is more pure than organic cotton I can guarantee that.
Rayon is pure cellulose to the molecular level. Cotton is a mass of whatever
Its been around over 100 years!! In that time nothing has ever been found to be wrong with rayon fiber.. Believe me they have tried.. The Dr. won't find anything real...
Real chemical scientists have tested it with highly advanced equipment... He will not have access to equipment this complex or advanced.
Until its tested, it has been tested for years. I just recently linked chemistry books on the subject.
Rayon is akin to purified water. Its a purified form of cellulose. More pure than you can find in nature.
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I used to wonder what that "Pop" was in my clearos. One day I had the cap off of my dripper and wet burned it until it "Popped" and I saw the little flame. I suspect that the pop is like the lean backfire on a car engine. Just the right amount of air, heat and juice will explode. JMO based on psudoscience.
I also would think being a cardiologist he would realize he's most likely been using rayon to wipe blood out of opened chest's, if he doesn't use it in his country he must know it's used in others and if he doesn't how good of a cardiologist is he? If it's good enough for surgery how bad can it be in my atty?
At my age I've grown more and more skeptical of people who seek what's best for me, even more in just the last six years (you can surmise why
). He may be OK, but my trust has to be earned.
I've had quite a few times when I get a pop in a clearo and feel a tiny hot droplet hit the end of my tongue, that droplet must be making a straight shot right up the chimney of the coil head and clearo tube. It doesn't really burn and it's gone it a millisecond, I'm sure it's cooled some before it reaches my tongue.
Perfect time for this.... Wait for pics..
Last rewick I wanted to try to burn the rayon. Just kept firing it till it dryed all the VG, glowed and flamed the juice up let it burn for 5 secpnds and did it again.. Then pulled the wick.
After the double burn, sorry blurry
Just yanked out the wick after two 4-5 second flames... It did not burn the damp rayon. Flamed it twice.. Caramelized the juice on to it. And you can even see the gunk on the coil Now after burning it. I Haven't seen that in a year. The juice is the fuel the rayon still did not burn.
Gunk is bad gunk is a sure sign your getting harmful byproducts from the juice. As you can clearly see burning juice gunks the coil...
Rayon doesn't gunk the coils providing the safest vape you can get. The proof is in the mileage..
Last rewick I wanted to try to burn the rayon. Just kept firing it till it dryed all the VG, glowed and flamed the juice up let it burn for 5 secpnds and did it again.. Then pulled the wick.
After the double burn, sorry blurry
Just yanked out the wick after two 4-5 second flames... It did not burn the damp rayon. Flamed it twice.. Caramelized the juice on to it. And you can even see the gunk on the coil Now after burning it. I Haven't seen that in a year. The juice is the fuel the rayon still did not burn.
Gunk is bad gunk is a sure sign your getting harmful byproducts from the juice. As you can clearly see burning juice gunks the coil...
Rayon doesn't gunk the coils providing the safest vape you can get. The proof is in the mileage..
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I also would think being a cardiologist he would realize he's most likely been using rayon to wipe blood out of opened chest's, if he doesn't use it in his country he must know it's used in others and if he doesn't how good of a cardiologist is he? If it's good enough for surgery how bad can it be in my atty?
At my age I've grown more and more skeptical of people who seek what's best for me, even more in just the last six years (you can surmise why
I couldn't agree more... you have a way with words Mr. Willy.
I have received three Kayfun V4 Clones. One by ToBeCo for $30.00, which is perfect in every way except maybe for some oil, some dirt, few metal shavings/chips and bad drip tip O-Rings. Which is easily fixed. It has Silver plated Beryllium Copper spring and 510 Center Pin. The other two: One from FastTech and one from GearBest for $18.00 each are complete waste of money. Even though, they are from two different sources, they both appear to be identical. Equally bad.
1. They are full of machine oil, dirt and chips.
2. Some of many holes were filled with metal chips and one was not drilled all the way through.
3. The spring, that carries Positive (+) charge is made out steel (It is attracts to the magnet)
4. 510 Center Pin is made out of Stainless Steel.
5. Here comes a really bad news: Four milled sides of the “UC Upper Section” Part #8 that goes into a square opening of “UC Middle Section” item #5 are cut 0.3mm too deep. Which made it impossible to fasten “UC Counter Screw” Item #9 tight enough. Because tightening the screw will not allow the lower base section to be turned by hand, therefore assemble the unit, and control the flow of the juice. If you will not tighten that screw, you could turn the lower section but will have bad Negative (-) electrical connection. I filed “Seal Ring 13x1” Item #7 by 0.3mm thinner to be able to allow for turning of the base. It worked for a while, but I still got intermittently bad Negative (-) connection.
As you can see on the left side of the picture, I shorted both terminals with a piece of wire. The Ohmmeter should read something close to 0.0 Ohms, but it reads 4.23 Ohms. When I touch the bottom of the base and the middle of it with a pair of tweezers, providing the negative connection manually, it shows 0.5 Ohms. About right considering the resistance of my tweezers.
I marked problematic areas with red arrows on the picture.
ToBeCo clone is perfect. Here is my first Kayfun V4 Ni200/Rayon build (70% shaved tails). It has been working very well for several hours. Nice flavor too.
1. They are full of machine oil, dirt and chips.
2. Some of many holes were filled with metal chips and one was not drilled all the way through.
3. The spring, that carries Positive (+) charge is made out steel (It is attracts to the magnet)
4. 510 Center Pin is made out of Stainless Steel.
5. Here comes a really bad news: Four milled sides of the “UC Upper Section” Part #8 that goes into a square opening of “UC Middle Section” item #5 are cut 0.3mm too deep. Which made it impossible to fasten “UC Counter Screw” Item #9 tight enough. Because tightening the screw will not allow the lower base section to be turned by hand, therefore assemble the unit, and control the flow of the juice. If you will not tighten that screw, you could turn the lower section but will have bad Negative (-) electrical connection. I filed “Seal Ring 13x1” Item #7 by 0.3mm thinner to be able to allow for turning of the base. It worked for a while, but I still got intermittently bad Negative (-) connection.
As you can see on the left side of the picture, I shorted both terminals with a piece of wire. The Ohmmeter should read something close to 0.0 Ohms, but it reads 4.23 Ohms. When I touch the bottom of the base and the middle of it with a pair of tweezers, providing the negative connection manually, it shows 0.5 Ohms. About right considering the resistance of my tweezers.
I marked problematic areas with red arrows on the picture.
ToBeCo clone is perfect. Here is my first Kayfun V4 Ni200/Rayon build (70% shaved tails). It has been working very well for several hours. Nice flavor too.
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Guys, this might be a bit off topic, but what do you all think of the Youde Goblin? I'm considering pulling the trigger on one and would like your honest opinions. Of course, I'll wick it with rayon wick
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Amd!! You never cease to amaze me man!
Great write up, awesome build... All my attys are tobeco, they've been great. Excellebt quslity for the money.
By the looks of the plate i should get into the trucking business... Now im hungry.
I've been struggling lately with 100vg in below freezing temps.. Of course turns to molasses. Doesn't wick well.. Getting down to -30 here tonight..
Today I finally added water to my juice. Was at 2% for the last month; Had to take it to about 10%h2o to get it vaping good.. Man hits great now. Back to summertime vaping quality.
Great write up, awesome build... All my attys are tobeco, they've been great. Excellebt quslity for the money.
By the looks of the plate i should get into the trucking business... Now im hungry.
I've been struggling lately with 100vg in below freezing temps.. Of course turns to molasses. Doesn't wick well.. Getting down to -30 here tonight..
Today I finally added water to my juice. Was at 2% for the last month; Had to take it to about 10%h2o to get it vaping good.. Man hits great now. Back to summertime vaping quality.
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My heart goes out to you in that cold weather. Maybe you should ad some Antifreeze instead of water. Just kidding.
My heart goes out to you in that cold weather. Maybe you should ad some Antifreeze instead of water. Just kidding.
It's now 10:30 PM and 12° F here in upstate NY, it will get much colder before the sun comes up. I hate winter!
I'll really hate it when the next electric bill comes. 
ETA: Holly Carp Jeremy, I just read you say it's going to be -30 where you are? What am I .....ing about?
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Regarding Dr. Farsalinos, I think what he said about rayon was reasonable given the circumstances and his position in the whole let's regulate e-cigs movement. It seems the he is a most experienced, qualified and visible medical researchers. Additionally he is adamant, and has the data to back it up, that e-cigs are vastly better then analogs. He is also clear that second hand vapor is not a problem. He is an ex smoker and current vaper.
Everything he says and does is up for review by ANTZ world wide, they would like nothing more than catching him in a lie, by omission or deliberate.
He will not say much about things that have not been studied, to do anything else would be irresponsible and ultimately damage vaper rights.
I'm surprised by some of the negative comments, based on nothing factual. (Unless I missed huge news in The Vapor Press)
If he is a bad guy, we are totally screwed. More here Electronic Cigarette | www.ecigarette-research.com
Going to -31C here tonight
Everything he says and does is up for review by ANTZ world wide, they would like nothing more than catching him in a lie, by omission or deliberate.
He will not say much about things that have not been studied, to do anything else would be irresponsible and ultimately damage vaper rights.
I'm surprised by some of the negative comments, based on nothing factual. (Unless I missed huge news in The Vapor Press)
If he is a bad guy, we are totally screwed. More here Electronic Cigarette | www.ecigarette-research.com
Going to -31C here tonight
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Woofer,
I did qualify my opinions as very scientific gut level opinion. He may be right as rain I don't know I would just like to see where all the money that is donated is going. You can give money to a lot of big name non-profits organizations and consider yourself lucky if 20% goes to the intended purpose.
Plus if he was a Biologist, Chemist and preferably both I would be a little less skeptical.
I took a looked at the link you posted and will have to give it some more serious perusal.
To be perfectly honest at the moment I don't really care what they find (except some garbage the will get more government intervention). The last statement is not actually any disrespect for anyone or any data studies but based on the fact that within weeks of quitting cigs. and taking up vaping I sleep better, feel better and even wake up feeling good. I had believed that waking up feel drugged and groggy was normal I never associated it with smoking. Sort story - is I am going to vape even if they find it is only 10% less harmful than cigs at least I will die feeling good.
By the way Woofer if you stumble on any articles that have data on where the money he collects goes and/or pictures of his laboratory facilities I would appreciate it if you would PM them to me. In the mean time I will promise not to pick on Dr. F. in the future unless someone catches him with his pants down.
PS - There is absolutely nothing personal between you and me as far as I am concerned save your objective and my subjective opinions on Dr. "F"
I did qualify my opinions as very scientific gut level opinion. He may be right as rain I don't know I would just like to see where all the money that is donated is going. You can give money to a lot of big name non-profits organizations and consider yourself lucky if 20% goes to the intended purpose.
Plus if he was a Biologist, Chemist and preferably both I would be a little less skeptical.
I took a looked at the link you posted and will have to give it some more serious perusal.
To be perfectly honest at the moment I don't really care what they find (except some garbage the will get more government intervention). The last statement is not actually any disrespect for anyone or any data studies but based on the fact that within weeks of quitting cigs. and taking up vaping I sleep better, feel better and even wake up feeling good. I had believed that waking up feel drugged and groggy was normal I never associated it with smoking. Sort story - is I am going to vape even if they find it is only 10% less harmful than cigs at least I will die feeling good.
By the way Woofer if you stumble on any articles that have data on where the money he collects goes and/or pictures of his laboratory facilities I would appreciate it if you would PM them to me. In the mean time I will promise not to pick on Dr. F. in the future unless someone catches him with his pants down.
PS - There is absolutely nothing personal between you and me as far as I am concerned save your objective and my subjective opinions on Dr. "F"
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