Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[tchavei]

I'm curious too

Curiosity killed the Cat

 

[JimmyDB]

First, what atty is that? Never seen it before and looks very cool.

Who are you talking to?

I don't claim to know whether it actually is dangerous or not, I have nothing to really back that up with and have no doubts in your experience. Just my two cents.

Well, at least you admit to not knowing these things and having nothing to back up your suspicions with.

Can you cite the candle manufacturer study that kind of approximated in similarity how you use the cotton you use for vaping? (seriously, I am interested in that).

 

[cobalt327]

Curiosity killed the Cat

...and satisfaction brought it back!

 

[ndb70]

Pink-mule.com has them (and Sally and FF) . Just stay away from their titanium.

Nic is also top quality

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Tnx Tony, heading to pink-mule right now to have a look.

Welcome to the thread ndb70!!

Your gonna like it I think..

Florence Italy, cool !

Thanks Jeremy,
I've been lurking around this thread since the beginning, so I didn't realize I've just chimed in out of the blue without saying at least hello to everyboy... ;-)

Sorry,
Andrea.

 

[cobalt327]

Well, at least you admit to not knowing these things and having nothing to back up your suspicions with.

Troll (or is it flamer?), IMO. Reason I say this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/659271-drives-me-insane.html#post15435245

 

[JimmyDB]

Troll (or is it flamer?), IMO. Reason I say this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/659271-drives-me-insane.html#post15435245

Yeah... checked their profile before even posting and 'debated' on leaving a response at all... but I'm curious about this candle wick study

Overall, I know we have a number of high-ranking officials watching this thread, but we don't generally get censored like some other threads *cough cough*, so it's not as obvious. I feel confident the ban-hammer will drop with the quickness if needed

 

[tchavei]

Troll (or is it flamer?), IMO. Reason I say this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/659271-drives-me-insane.html#post15435245

Well, as much I might not like it, he has a point. How many times do we see a couple of illuminati saying pure garbage and just because they have 3k posts and are beloved among some soap pickers, their empirical garbage is passed as holy truth?

It's so easy to lookup something on wickipedia and then pretend you know something about a subject...

My two euro cents.

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[jaxgator]

The Rayon Bullet...I like it. Does anyone else think Kotex University when they see KU?

Actually, I thought Jayhawks, as in University of Kansas Jayhawks.

Thanks Jeremy,
I've been lurking around this thread since the beginning, so I didn't realize I've just chimed in out of the blue without saying at least hello to everyboy... ;-)

Sorry,
Andrea.

Welcome aboard Andrea!

 

[JeremyR]

First, what atty is that? Never seen it before and looks very cool.

Second, I know next to nothing about Rayon in vaping to start with. Never used it, but I'm very reluctant/hesitant to do so. You're right it's cellulose and thus "natural" of sorts but the process involves A LOT of heavy chemicals (lye bath, acid wash, etc.) from my understanding and like most things, it's washed to make sure as little of those extra chemicals make it to the final product as possible but I imagine that's not very good to cook and inhale. The wash isn't designed to make it safe to vape, only for currently common uses so there could be a lot of trace chemicals left over in terms of vaping.

A lot of what makes it so hard to know if something is dangerous while vaping is how new it is, meaning very little effort has been given to the toxicity of many of the things we use. Flavor extracts have been studied relentlessly for safety, but no one has really thought to see how it works when boiling. All we have is studies which we can kind of approximate in similarity to our intended use.

Like, I'm pretty confident about using cotton because (of all people) the candle manufacturers have tested it to see what chemicals are imparted into the air even when burning. But to my knowledge there has been none either way with Rayon and the various other materials. I tend to be (ironically for someone who smoked for years) abundantly cautious about what I use in my PV, so I avoid things like silica and Rayon.

I don't claim to know whether it actually is dangerous or not, I have nothing to really back that up with and have no doubts in your experience. Just my two cents.

Hey thirdman welcome to the thread..

Actually those same chemicals are used to degum hemp and clean cotton. Cotton is the most heavily pesticized crop in the world!

Rayon is purified cellulose. There are no chemicals in the finished product.. Many, many things are extracted with chemicals and a pure product is produced. Nic is extracted with petrochemicals many times even kerosene. If done correctly the will be a clean end product.

Rayon has been used for over 100 years. And believe me plenty of studies have been done. Its used by sergeons. And used when taking biological samples fpr the lab because its more pure than cotton! They get less contamination to the sample than with cotton.

If you speaking g of the Atty in the op its an oddy clone. Original is gg odessyus.. Its the tank that spurred all the bottom coil tanks like kayfun and the evod. However I no longer use it because of the restricted draw.

 

[JeremyR]

All of your concerns have been answered over and over again in this very thread. Give it a full read, there's lots of useful knowledge to be had.

Most of the very chemicals used to make rayon are used in the processing of most cotton as well.
The chemicals are fully removed from the rayon final product. Actually removing them is how you get the final product, it is then washed to be sure all traces are gone.

Both cotton and rayon are cellulose. The main difference between the two is the texture of the final product. Rayon's smooth structure allows much greater liquid transfer to happen.

You are correct you understand the process.

Rayon wouldn't be rayon if the major chemicals used to make it weren't gone. It would be liquid viscose.

The most major chemicals people are concerned with are highly volatile. One evaporates quickly in the process and also has a half life of 12 days. And its chemicals bond is completely broken when it enters the last phase. The other has a high affinity to water and washes off very easily.

The bigger difference is also that, unlike cotton it is purified cellulose with out contaminates. One main non cellulose component that hampers cotton is its level of proteins in the fiber. Wool an hair have protein, the more protien the nastier it burns

 

[SlickWilly]

First, what atty is that? Never seen it before and looks very cool.

Second, I know next to nothing about Rayon in vaping to start with. Never used it, but I'm very reluctant/hesitant to do so. You're right it's cellulose and thus "natural" of sorts but the process involves A LOT of heavy chemicals (lye bath, acid wash, etc.) from my understanding and like most things, it's washed to make sure as little of those extra chemicals make it to the final product as possible but I imagine that's not very good to cook and inhale. The wash isn't designed to make it safe to vape, only for currently common uses so there could be a lot of trace chemicals left over in terms of vaping.

A lot of what makes it so hard to know if something is dangerous while vaping is how new it is, meaning very little effort has been given to the toxicity of many of the things we use. Flavor extracts have been studied relentlessly for safety, but no one has really thought to see how it works when boiling. All we have is studies which we can kind of approximate in similarity to our intended use.

Like, I'm pretty confident about using cotton because (of all people) the candle manufacturers have tested it to see what chemicals are imparted into the air even when burning. But to my knowledge there has been none either way with Rayon and the various other materials. I tend to be (ironically for someone who smoked for years) abundantly cautious about what I use in my PV, so I avoid things like silica and Rayon.

I don't claim to know whether it actually is dangerous or not, I have nothing to really back that up with and have no doubts in your experience. Just my two cents.

If you fear rayon and your ever treated medically you better ask them not to use it to clean and cover wounds, make sure you ask the doc before they put you under.

 

[mudram99]

Curiosity killed the Cat

I ain't curious! Happily vaping on my sallies

 

[cobalt327]

Making a point is one thing. What I take exception to is the digital equivalent of someone walking into a clubhouse, throwing their muddy boots up on the table, slapping the waitress on the ... and proclaiming they are here to put everyone straight.

 

[cindycated]

You'd think they'd come up with something new, huh? Haters always be saying the same thing...

 

[HolmanGT]

First, what atty is that? Never seen it before and looks very cool.

Second, I know next to nothing about Rayon in vaping to start with. Never used it, but I'm very reluctant/hesitant to do so. You're right it's cellulose and thus "natural" of sorts but the process involves A LOT of heavy chemicals (lye bath, acid wash, etc.) from my understanding and like most things, it's washed to make sure as little of those extra chemicals make it to the final product as possible but I imagine that's not very good to cook and inhale. The wash isn't designed to make it safe to vape, only for currently common uses so there could be a lot of trace chemicals left over in terms of vaping.

A lot of what makes it so hard to know if something is dangerous while vaping is how new it is, meaning very little effort has been given to the toxicity of many of the things we use. Flavor extracts have been studied relentlessly for safety, but no one has really thought to see how it works when boiling. All we have is studies which we can kind of approximate in similarity to our intended use.

Like, I'm pretty confident about using cotton because (of all people) the candle manufacturers have tested it to see what chemicals are imparted into the air even when burning. But to my knowledge there has been none either way with Rayon and the various other materials. I tend to be (ironically for someone who smoked for years) abundantly cautious about what I use in my PV, so I avoid things like silica and Rayon.

I don't claim to know whether it actually is dangerous or not, I have nothing to really back that up with and have no doubts in your experience. Just my two cents.

I just can't resist responding to your concerns.

Lye and acid baths: Have you ever looked up how Olives are processed; They use the exact same chemicals. Then you eat them!

Silica, have you ever been to the beach or dug in the dirt. Silica is the most common mineral on this planet. For that matter it is not considered a carcinogen like Asbestos (per the FDA). There is a problem that beach sand causes in a very small percentage of Volley Ball player (and others) called Silicosis from breathing large amounts of beach sand dust. Here again it only happens to a very few individuals. The amount of silica you could possible inhale from fibrous silica in your wicks is probably about the same as you will inhale from the Silica insulation in the walls of your home.

So to say cotton you feel comfortable with but not rayon is and oxymoron. Rayon is just refined and purified cotton. Cotton is just used as it comes from the field washed and clean just like Rayon on Rayon starts out as pure cellulous whereas Cotton start out as mostly cellulose and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Now for the clincher Rayon is used in all kinds of internal medical uses from sponges to temporary internal surgical packing material and I won't even go into all the feminine hygiene uses.

Have you ever watch the harvesting of cotton the process it goes thru the bail thrown on the floor of a warehouse with bugs, mice and God only knows what else for months... Rayon cellulose starts life as a tree then processed in SS vats, cleaned, extruded, dried and packaged without ever sitting around on a concrete floored warehouse. You than use it to bind your wounds, fill your pillows make the clothing you wear and yes it is used to bulk up some foods you eat and even helps you to eliminate the foods you eat once your body is thru with them (gross but a fact).

And that is my two cents.

 

[Woofer]

Nice, great value for two cents.

I belief rayon is also used as a scaffold for tissue regeneration.

 

[BNEAT]

HAHAHA, one semi negative post and out comes the lynch-mob!



oh, what the hell, I'll pile on: How is Atnalta a palindrome of anything?? ...or did I miss something?

 

[cindycated]

Life's too short to be doing all that typing. Maybe we can just post links to the LAST TIME we said all the same stuff.

 

[BNEAT]

When I was a n00b there's no way I would've made a comment like that in a year old thread with 12,000+ posts...isn't that the definition of n00b?


edit: Rayon rules!

 

[cindycated]

You know how kids are - always trying to outdo the grown-ups.
When I was a noob, I would've read all 12K posts.
haha I wasn't a noob, and I STILL read all 12K posts!
but I think I was only 72 pages behind.