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[Aal_]

Yeah regarding the bubbles syndrome lol, as Jeremy said you have 2 types of vaping either you rely on wicking or on free liquid transport to the closest point of the coil before flooding. Starting with the former to the latter the amount of bubbles increases. So depending on your style you might see or not see bubbles. People who rely strictly on wicking with a lot of wick they have bubbles less but get dry hits more if it is extreme. I was surprised that without bubbles (practically low amount) no dry hits. So wicking must be very efficient. That was my point

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[JeremyR]

Confirmation on the CC, it's much better than the Tencel Rayon. With the Tencel, I was getting a massive change in flavor way before the wicks were even close to dry. The CC gives a cleaner taste as well, and keeps the flavor consistent for much longer.

Now, what to do with 1/2 lb of Tencel...... let me daughter use it to make hair weaves for her dolls?

Well at least it was only like 8 bucks shipped so we've spent more on juices that were not good and wasted. I also agree the rayon cc style is much better.

 

[NahkriinKrosis]

Confirmation on the CC, it's much better than the Tencel Rayon. With the Tencel, I was getting a massive change in flavor way before the wicks were even close to dry. The CC gives a cleaner taste as well, and keeps the flavor consistent for much longer.

Now, what to do with 1/2 lb of Tencel...... let me daughter use it to make hair weaves for her dolls?

You could always share

 

[JeremyR]

It's been brought to my attention that were undergoing more attacks on rayon.. I will get into it later.. but let me say this -


Nobody complained when people were using Aunt Lydia's bamboo yarn!!!

Bamboo yarn is the EXACT same thing!!!!

But it has additional modifiers to make it spin into yarn better, our rayon doesn't have these additives!!!

Most of these attackers have no idea what thier talking about. Even so much in the dark that they think rayon is plastic. If you listen to anything they say that's no backed by a scientific source, it's nothing but misinformation.

I have provided real scientific data here. They have provided no scientific data. Doesn't matter what's been used to process it, it only matters what the product is when you receive it.

 

[JeremyR]

There's actually evidence that properly used rayon can reduce harmfull toxins by keep the coil wetter preventing overheating.

I believe a dry hitting kanger produces more harmful vapor in and of itself.

It's known that burning vg/ dry hitting produces a carcinogenic. Substance. A wetter non dry vape is a safer vape.

Here's one article about over heating eliquids. And also the formaldehyde they speak of could be from the silica..?.. Or a pg contaminate.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/0...-deliver-a-puff-of-carcinogens.html?referrer=

Rayon used properly prevents this.. Dang stock kangers are nothing but dry hits even when you think its workin ok.

 

[HolmanGT]

It's been brought to my attention that were undergoing more attacks on rayon.. I will get into it later.. but let me say this -


Nobody complained when people were using Aunt Lydia's bamboo yarn!!!

Bamboo yarn is the EXACT same thing!!!!

But it has additional modifiers to make it spin into yarn better, our rayon doesn't have these additives!!!

Most of these attackers have no idea what thier talking about. Even so much in the dark that they think rayon is plastic. If you listen to anything they say that's no backed by a scientific source, it's nothing but misinformation.

I have provided real scientific data here. They have provided no scientific data. Doesn't matter what's been used to process it, it only matters what the product is when you receive it.

JeremyR,

Do you have an M.S.D.S. for the CC-R?

I looked around a bit with no success. I am sure there is one but they don't make it easy to find.

 

[kojul]

JeremyR,

Do you have an M.S.D.S. for the CC-R?

I looked around a bit with no success. I am sure there is one but they don't make it easy to find.

I've emailed Graham asking for one, will post if they reply.

 

[JeremyR]

Do you have one for silica, pg, vg, nicotine base, flavorings, or kanthal.?

Just sayin' ....

You have to search rayon. Not cc, cc is just a repackaged product of rayon. You'd probably have better luck in the medical field. Graham is not prepared for that they are only a distributing repackager. Your probably asking the wrong source. However they may respond but they know nothing of our industry.

On the flip side there may not be one because there's no need. I will see if I can pull one up.

 

[HolmanGT]

I've emailed Graham asking for one, will post if they reply.

kojul,

Thanks... They probably won't because they are only distribution. I am not sure who is mandated to provide MSDS info. probably just the folks that make the stuff.

That said you would think anyone involved in the use or storage of the stuff would be on the hook for tech info. i.e. what if you had a fire in a warehouse the firemen would probably like to know what they were up against.

 

[kojul]

Well if they are repackaging, I'm sure their supplier was mandated to provide them with a MSDS, so we'll see what they say.

 

[bigmaaark]

ok so ive been vaping on this stuff since saturday, and now i have a scratchy throat. anybody else getting this? im constantly clearing my throat. i wonder if maybe im allergic to it or something...

or maybe im catching a cold?

edit: i switched back to cotton to see if it gets better. if not then im gonna say i have a cold haha

 

[stashbldr]

ok so ive been vaping on this stuff since saturday, and now i have a scratchy throat. anybody else getting this? im constantly clearing my throat. i wonder if maybe im allergic to it or something...

or maybe im catching a cold?

edit: i switched back to cotton to see if it gets better. if not then im gonna say i have a cold haha

I've been allergic to several different wick materials .. for instance I liked using Aunt Lydia's bamboo but I broke out in a rash from using it. Same with several others. I've been using the CC for 1 1/2 weeks and so far have not had any symptom of being allergic to it, although it usually takes me a few weeks of vaping a wicking material before the allergies present themselves, I didn't break out in the bamboo rash until I'd been using it for 3 weeks. Then once I stopped using the bamboo the rash cleared up in 48 hours.

 

[folkphys]

ok so ive been vaping on this stuff since saturday, and now i have a scratchy throat. anybody else getting this? im constantly clearing my throat. i wonder if maybe im allergic to it or something...

or maybe im catching a cold?

edit: i switched back to cotton to see if it gets better. if not then im gonna say i have a cold haha

I too have noticed subsequent throat scratchiness.....not sure what to make of it. My first guess was a sneaky manufacturing tech with a grudge against old ladies getting hair treatments depositing a smidge of the swine flu on these here 'beauty coils'....

 

[bigmaaark]

i was fine saturday and sunday...but monday afternoon is when the throat scratchiness started occuring and hasnt stopped even tho i stopped using the CC. but coincidentally my gf started complaing of a soar throat as well, which isnt vape related because she doesnt vape, so im really not sure if its from the CC or i got it from her lol. seeing that ive been back on cotton for almost 24 hours and the scratchiness is still there im leaning towards the cold. i really hope i can continue to use the CC because the benefits in my kayfun over cotton are substantial. much better flavor and it wicks so much faster.

 

[awsum140]

I'm now the proud owner of 500 feet of CC after a visit to the local Sally's. I think there is a learning curve, based on what I've read, to get to that "sweet spot". I am not into sub-ohm or RBAs at all so it may take some time to arrive at the best configuration. I rebuilt a PT head and a CE3, yeah I know "ancient" stuff, but they all work for me and a CE3 on an auto cig-a-like can't be beat for hands free operation. Both work acceptably well but not with the knock you down vapor/TH/flavor that has been reported with RBA stuff. I do think I might have gotten carried away with how much CC I used and will be cutting it down in my next attempt. Based on what I see, so far, I have enough CC to last me well into the next century and I have four ounces of Tencel on the way as well. One of the big side benefits is that there are no shards of silicon associated with CC, a big plus IMHO.

 

[HolmanGT]

Do you have one for silica, pg, vg, nicotine base, flavorings, or kanthal.?

Just sayin' .... but yes it's there. I will get it later today.

You have to search rayon. Not cc, cc is just a repackaged product of rayon. You'd probably have better luck in the medical field. Graham is not prepared for that they are only a distributing repackager. Your probably asking the wrong source. However they may respond but they know nothing of our industry.

Ouch... A bit of a sharp on the come-back on the other components involved in vaping. It is well known that "Silica" glass fibers in the lungs is a-kin to asbestos or beach sand and can cause different forms of cancer. As far as the rest of the things you mentioned I don't believe any of them are hazardous in their natural form but God only knows what happens when it is broken down under extreme heat. There seems to be a reasonable amount of concerns about the safety of "Flavoring". But with all those items you ether breath or eat them thru a gazillion other methods. Like "Silica" if you have ever played Volley Ball on a beach or sand lot you have inhaled more silica than you would ever get from vaping for a life time.

My question about an MSDS for Rayon was prompted more out of a concern for what it breaks down to under extreme heat. As an example is some refrigerants break down into "Phosgene Gas" (used in chemical warfare) and very deadly.

My request for an MSDS was more out of curiosity than any real concern for personal safety. I smoked for 55 years and now at the age of 69 ... well long term health is obviously not one of my big concerns. But I did have some concerns about what chemicals are created or released when rayon is heated or burned like the "Refrigerants" I mentioned. That in conjunction with some of the physical effects some poster in this thread have already mentioned weather real or imagined.

I am using the CC right now so don't misunderstand my questions as some sort of attack on your "Serendipitous Discovery". So far I have only tried it in my low wattage dripper (1.7 ohm coil) at about 9-10 watts. So far I haven't notice much change over cotton but I only tried it a little last night. I will go back to it in a little while as soon as I get my nic level back up to my normal morning levels with my conventional "Genesis" attys'. By the way I use XC-116 or whatever they have changed the name to these days and that stuff has all kinds of toxins that must be oven baked out prior to use of which I put all my faith in the vendor to do the right thing.

PS - I did notice with the CC that it generated what I like to call a finer and heavier mist so yes I noticed the extra nic buzz. I have had this happen with my normal attys from time to time. I don't know why it happens different juices or maybe even a settling out of different components in the juice like maybe the nic separating out and giving me a stronger nic hit. I always shake my juice bottles but I don't think I ever shake my attys after they have sat all night. One more quick comment on the rayon it sure was nice not to get that new cotton taste the rayon was just the taste of my juice with no break-in period.

 

[HolmanGT]

ok so ive been vaping on this stuff since saturday, and now i have a scratchy throat. anybody else getting this? im constantly clearing my throat. i wonder if maybe im allergic to it or something...

or maybe im catching a cold?

edit: i switched back to cotton to see if it gets better. if not then im gonna say i have a cold haha

bigmaaark,

I have notice several others making similar comments about throat irritation. I don't know any more than you but I have noticed that I have similar problems including nic buzz when I am playing with different atty builds.

I have just written it off as I am puffing much heavier and more often when trying different builds and have written it off to "Too Much" and "Break-in byproducts".

Just another one of those things that make ya go "Hmmm...".

After thought: Whatever small irritation I may experience I still feel a thousand times better then when I was smoking and my Cardiologist doesn't yell at me anymore.

 

[BNEAT]

This is sorta related to the subject matter, but not exclusively. I've noticed that the very first hit off of some of my juices literally hurts my chest after they've sat in my device for a long period of time (like over night). It's not every juice, just some of the more harsh juices, like Anise, maybe a few citrus juices, and especially cinnamon! I try to remember to fire my coil to get rid of that first hit, but more often than not, I forget to do that and scorch my lungs. Any idea what's causing this?


edit: it doesn't matter which device or what kind of wick. it's more about the juice and the length of time it sits on the coil...or that's what it seems (not exactly a scientific study)

 

[JeremyR]

HolmanGT - notice my post about attacks was before your inquiry. It's comming from many different forums and most of them look back to here so many times I make posts that go beyond this discussion... Didn't mean to be directed at you Holman. But people from all over are reading this.

Sorry if it came off harsh it was a really quick post between jobs at work. I'm just simply pointing out that all of this stuff is not proven to be safe. I understand your concerns and I have made at least 40 different posts here with data as to how its made and the end product. But I know at this point it's hard to find..

Please don't be offended.

 

[brianc11111]

i think the throat irritation thing is just a matter of getting more vapor and nic than youre used to.
remember when you started rebuilding your pt's......you probably had a little throat irritation like i did....
remember when you first started going sub-ohms in your kayfuns or dripper......
you probably had a little throat irritation like i did.


as far as im concerned...if you get a little irritation for a day or two....means you got it right