Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[bsoplinger]

For those that asked what juice, umm, damnifIknow.

I can list possible flavors I'd put in the Kayfun but I've never found an ADV so I consistently change flavors often. My short term memory is awful unless I make a point of remembering something and I don't keep track of flavors. With how good CCr is in that area it's become change with every refill. Possibilities; All from Hope E-liquids: choco-licious, let go my ekto, orange you glad. Might have had Top Vapes (from Madvapes) strawberry shortcake.

As the one poster who said something similar happened, I just dry burned the coil clean, rewicked with more CCr and I'm 2 tanks in on a good vaping experience.

I'm just baffled about what I might have done to burn it up so completely. I'd guess a completely dry burn as was suggested but wouldn't I have tasted that? Especially considering how complete the destruction of the wick within the coil.

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[Despraci]

Well I for one always blamed PG for my throat hurting, not dry but sort of a hurt. I also would get a harsh hit a lot that wasn't a dry hit, but a really hot vape that would be close to a dry burn with organic cotton, especially with a Cinnamon. I just rewicked my cinnamon tank and the harshness isn't there. It's a nice smooth spicy taste that is a lot more pleasant and not overpowering, you can also now pick up the buttery notes that should have been there all along.

I am interested to see what this wick looks like when I an done with this juice. With cotton it would gunk up in less then 10ml and there was burnt spots on the wick. If anything the rayon is wicking almost too fast and I am getting a lot of popping occurring. So I don't think I will see any burn marks and since it's staying more hydrated at the coil, I would be surprised to see any gunk building up.

 

[Jerms]

I've read a little of this thread, enough to figure out how to use the CelluCotton rayon a buddy sent me a couple days ago, but just a small part. Subscribing now to keep up with the news, until the next big wick discovery comes along anyways lol. I'm impressed, but just in the experimental stages to figure if it beats KGD cotton for my personal use. Here's what I just posted in the Natural Tobacco thread I frequent, which is more relevant here..

I think this CelluCotton rayon is going to be a tough nut to crack for me. The performance is great, no question about that. Wicks amazingly well. It's great for switching flavors because even when my drippers dry I can still get good hits from the wet rayon, which means less carry over flavor from less juice remaining when switching. That's a positive, not a big one, but is nice. I've only used clean juices so far, but I've heard dirty juices gunk slower with the rayon, which if true for me could be a pretty big positive if it lets me vape gunkers longer.

The flavor is very good with zero off notes like KGD. The first three juices I vaped with the rayon was Southern Classic from Halo, Sahara from Ahl, and Heartland RY4. All three were great, and the RY4 had the benefit of muting a somewhat odd note that one has.

Switching to MVJ's Triple Maduro brought up issues though. The rayon seems to amplify sweetness, which was very noticable here as this juice is just not meant to have much sweetness. Worse still, I wasn't getting that oily, dark tobacco flavor, all I was tasting was sweet. So that had me try my first side-by-side. From the first vape the answer was obvious, KGD cotton dominates the rayon with Triple Maduro. The rayon amps the sweet and mutes the tobacco, not a good thing for a subtle tobacco NET.

So my early experience is rayon mutes some notes and enhances others. Well, that's certainly nothing new, all wicking material does that. Will the rayon enhance notes in some juice that the KGD mutes? I'm almost certain I'll run into that too. Each wicking medium seems to have it's own equalizer setting with certain notes cranked up and others lowered. Obviously, the sweetness nob is turned up with rayon, which will benefit some juices and be a detriment to others. Certain tobacco notes 'may' be muted with rayon, it's the case with one so far, but the range of tobacco complexities is vast and I may find some that the rayon enhances.

So long story short (well, actually long story even longer lol) is I'm impressed with CelluCotton's capabilities, but will take much more experimenting before deciding if it's my main wicking medium. It's another great option for wicking that many will either like or dislike based on it's preset equalizer settings with flavor, but performance-wise it absolutely shines.

 

[f1vefour]

You may want to try hybrid Jerms, KGD with a rayon core.

 

[UncleChimney]

I'm wondering if someone can help me out here with this rayon? I am an avid Protank II user on top of a nemsis with a 0.8Ω micro-coil with sterile rolled cotton and this has been my go to set up for a long while now. It is very consistent and extremely reliable, but it's one down-fall is that the coil gets gunked up rather quickly, within a day or day and a half. That is why I wanted to try rayon because from what I have been reading is that it doesn't gunk up coils near as quickly.

The problem that I am having though is how much wick to use in the Protank. I have tried using a little rayon, like I do with cotton, but after a bit I start getting dry hits, but everything else is okay. So I've tried varying amounts of rayon and when I put more in it I don't get any dry hits after a day, but I have next to no flavor. I only have to fix this temporarily because I have a REO on the way, but I'd like to learn the right amount of this wick to use so that I can have an enjoyable vape, not this flavorless junk! I'd also like to learn because with the overwhelmingly positive reviews I think it'll go great in an RM2 as well. Thank you for your help.

Jacob

 

[Jerms]

You may want to try hybrid Jerms, KGD with a rayon core.

Ya know, as I was typing that thought came to my mind. Has anyone tried that with good results?

I vape mainly NETs, which means I rewick often. I use 8 small drippers with a single micro coil, 1 ohm with 28ga Kanthal. I go through all my drippers and rewick them together, about once a week depending on what I've been vaping. I mention this because being quick and easy to wick is a bonus for me. I like that I can cut 8 strips of KGD and wick everything in about 5 minutes. Facing 8 drippers and having to make hybrid wicks may be too much for me lol, but I'd like to see what the results are. The rayon is already a step back being more like sterile rolled to prepare, but it's really a fairly small step because I can still do them up quick.

 

[crazyarms]

Would anyone be willing to send me a sample of this rayon wick? I would like to give it a shot before I jump and buy a lifetime supply of the stuff? I feel like I'm cheating on my organic cotton for even lurking here but I have to at least give it a shot right??

 

[Despraci]

I'm wondering if someone can help me out here with this rayon? I am an avid Protank II user on top of a nemsis with a 0.8Ω micro-coil with sterile rolled cotton and this has been my go to set up for a long while now. It is very consistent and extremely reliable, but it's one down-fall is that the coil gets gunked up rather quickly, within a day or day and a half. That is why I wanted to try rayon because from what I have been reading is that it doesn't gunk up coils near as quickly.

The problem that I am having though is how much wick to use in the Protank. I have tried using a little rayon, like I do with cotton, but after a bit I start getting dry hits, but everything else is okay. So I've tried varying amounts of rayon and when I put more in it I don't get any dry hits after a day, but I have next to no flavor. I only have to fix this temporarily because I have a REO on the way, but I'd like to learn the right amount of this wick to use so that I can have an enjoyable vape, not this flavorless junk! I'd also like to learn because with the overwhelmingly positive reviews I think it'll go great in an RM2 as well. Thank you for your help.

Jacob

I was thinking that this would be great in a protank today as I was changing a few wicks. Because honestly, you load the coil up with Rayon that would choke normal cotton wicks, and as long as you use enough to keep the PT from leaking, I think this would work very well in any PT type tank. You could load up the coil and have flavor wicks on top to keep it from leaking and I think it would still wick and vape better then any stock PT head. I wish I still had my PT's to try it out on.

 

[Philip Eddy]

Oh boy, did I feel lost walking into Sally's, and asking for cellu cotton, but I gots me some and then some and a lot more, holy crap, but It works as advertised, Bow to JeremyR the Rayon King, but I gots a lot of it, anyone wanting some shoot me a PM and we will work it out, I'm sure I can spare a hundred or so feet,

 

[WharfRat1976]

Decided to try some Cool Menthol from Hookafina in my Norbert with a .3ohm build....OMG! "AOOOGA" horns going off

 

[f1vefour]

Ya know, as I was typing that thought came to my mind. Has anyone tried that with good results?

I vape mainly NETs, which means I rewick often. I use 8 small drippers with a single micro coil, 1 ohm with 28ga Kanthal. I go through all my drippers and rewick them together, about once a week depending on what I've been vaping. I mention this because being quick and easy to wick is a bonus for me. I like that I can cut 8 strips of KGD and wick everything in about 5 minutes. Facing 8 drippers and having to make hybrid wicks may be too much for me lol, but I'd like to see what the results are. The rayon is already a step back being more like sterile rolled to prepare, but it's really a fairly small step because I can still do them up quick.

You're the third person who has had issues with NET's and rayon, I think cotton may simply better at dealing with the nuances of a NET.

I would give hybrid a try in at least one dripper, it may actually be worth the trouble.

 

[cindycated]

I'm just baffled about what I might have done to burn it up so completely. I'd guess a completely dry burn as was suggested but wouldn't I have tasted that? Especially considering how complete the destruction of the wick within the coil.

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You don't taste it until it's too late. Then when you do, you have no other option but to rewick. At least that's true for me.

 

[jblack741]

Take a look at cellucotton on amazon.com. It comes in 100% Ryon or Cotton. The Rayon appears to be more uniform and fluffier so is should require less to wick the same as or better than cotton. 40ft roll for < 10 bucks.

 

[Aal_]

Ok guys kayfun with 1/16 diameter microcoil at 0.8 ohms with 100% vg officially conquered. To be honest i never tried this particular build with kgd before so I'm not comparing. I usually leave my sub ohms for drippers. On the kayfun i finally got the right consistency of rayon and the right length and coverage of tails to have continuous and consistent wicking. First tank finished with no single dry hit on a fresh battery around 18+ watts. Am I going to be able to replicate the same wick later on, no way lol. This one is there to keep.

So Jeremy you are officially king of rayon. Game changer for sure. Later this week I will attack gg style atomizers with sub ohm small microcoils builds.

 

[Jerms]

You're the third person who has had issues with NET's and rayon, I think cotton may simply better at dealing with the nuances of a NET.

I would give hybrid a try in at least one dripper, it may actually be worth the trouble.

That's too bad a couple others experienced that, NETs would benefit more than any other juice with a wick that results in slower gunking.

Still have a lot more testing to do. So far that's just one very subtle NET that rayon doesn't play well with. The MyVapeJuice are some of the lightest flavored NETs around, but also some of the cleanest on coils. It'll be more important to see how the rayon does with gunkier NETs. If it can run them longer before having to dry burn and wick change without sacrificing flavor, that would be a great thing. The dirtier NETs are also much more flavorful, so a slight change in flavor may not be as drastically detrimental as with a very subtle NET like the Triple Maduro.

I'm not sure if the rayon wick actually muted the oily, dark tobacco flavor in that one, or if it just feels that way because the KGD doesn't raise the sweetness level like rayon. I can see a boost in sweet covering up a subtle, darker note. That note is about the only thing that juice has to offer lol, so not being able to taste it is pretty negative.

 

[Aal_]

That's too bad a couple others experienced that, NETs would benefit more than any other juice with a wick that results in slower gunking.

Still have a lot more testing to do. So far that's just one very subtle NET that rayon doesn't play well with. The MyVapeJuice are some of the lightest flavored NETs around, but also some of the cleanest on coils. It'll be more important to see how the rayon does with gunkier NETs. If it can run them longer before having to dry burn and wick change without sacrificing flavor, that would be a great thing. The dirtier NETs are also much more flavorful, so a slight change in flavor may not be as drastically detrimental as with a very subtle NET like the Triple Maduro.

I'm not sure if the rayon wick actually muted the oily, dark tobacco flavor in that one, or if it just feels that way because the KGD doesn't raise the sweetness level like rayon. I can see a boost in sweet covering up a subtle, darker note. That note is about the only thing that juice has to offer lol, so not being able to taste it is pretty negative.

Jerms I think you should change your percentages if you diy or use a different kind of coil build or wire. I do believe you can regain the deepness of NET. Nothing to base on just a hunch.

 

[burnie71]

Jerms I think you should change your percentages if you diy or use a different kind of coil build or wire. I do believe you can regain the deepness of NET. Nothing to base on just a hunch.

Ok another new term for me, What is NET ?

 

[Jerms]

Jerms I think you should change your percentages if you diy or use a different kind of coil build or wire. I do believe you can regain the deepness of NET. Nothing to base on just a hunch.

I still don't know yet how it's going to play for me with most NETs, just that one so far. A buddy of mine on the Natural Tobacco thread uses an almost identical set-up as mine and we have very similar tastes, and he reported that the rayon is offering him equal flavor to KGD plus slower gunking. I'm still feeling fairly confident that rayon will work for me, at least some of the time if not all the time. It's just not the grand slam, overall improvement with everything like it was going from silica to cotton, or sterile rolled cotton to KGD pads. More of a linear change instead of a jump forward, with some pluses and some minuses.

 

[Jerms]

Ok another new term for me, What is NET ?

Naturally Extracted Tobacco. Vape juice made with flavorings derived from tobacco leaves, often by steeping tobacco in pg/vg and filtering it to form a flavor extract. This often results in juice that gunks up a coil quicker than synthetic flavoring.

Edit: and also results in a damn authentic tobacco flavor

 

[Aal_]

I still don't know yet how it's going to play for me with most NETs, just that one so far. A buddy of mine on the Natural Tobacco thread uses an almost identical set-up as mine and we have very similar tastes, and he reported that the rayon is offering him equal flavor to KGD plus slower gunking. I'm still feeling fairly confident that rayon will work for me, at least some of the time if not all the time. It's just not the grand slam, overall improvement with everything like it was going from silica to cotton, or sterile rolled cotton to KGD pads. More of a linear change instead of a jump forward, with some pluses and some minuses.

The big change for me from kgd was the no gunk and faster and complete wicking. The former is beneficial everywhere, the latter is beneficial in tanks more than drippers. The down side is getting the damn density right .