Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[bsoplinger]

I have a question for JeremyR...

Finally got around to watching your video and CCr has been working well enough for me and I'm not a big fan of videos online, especially YouTube, so watching it got delayed. You're making a wick for a dripper that ends up perhaps an inch and a quarter or so long. Yet you started with 6" or more in length. Granted, the smallest size of Sally's is 750', but still why so much that the ends you trim are longer than the wick you're making?

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[hydruid]

I've been using rayon (from sallys) for a few weeks now. Initial results were not very impressive, but after adjusting my wicking style some it's off the charts amazing.

I'm currently at 12mg and will have to drop to 6mg so it's not so harsh of nic hit lol.

Flavor is better and the wicks do last longer. It's interesting I use less than I did with cotton but it seems to work better when shorter (short and fat lol) in my drippers!

 

[JeremyR]

Would anyone be willing to send me a sample of this rayon wick? I would like to give it a shot before I jump and buy a lifetime supply of the stuff? I feel like I'm cheating on my organic cotton for even lurking here but I have to at least give it a shot right??

4.50 at walmart. Springvalley meletonin 1 mg. it should be pure rayon stuffing. Try it out.

 

[Flavored]

Flavored,

That sounds interesting, what kind of ohm's are you hitting with the 10 wrap 29g coil?
Edit: I guess I should have also asked, what ID is the coil?

Thanks,
Willy

I use the 2mm mandrel and the coiling gizmo to make the coils. They typically hit 1.9 +/- 0.1 measured on an eVic.

Working the CC in isn't hard, either, make the point, poke it through, then I pinch on the "feeder" side of the coil head while I pull the wick through about a pinch at a time. If I see the coil begin to drag, I pull it back out, take a smidge off, and go again.

 

[JeremyR]

Ok guys kayfun with 1/16 diameter microcoil at 0.8 ohms with 100% vg officially conquered. To be honest i never tried this particular build with kgd before so I'm not comparing. I usually leave my sub ohms for drippers. On the kayfun i finally got the right consistency of rayon and the right length and coverage of tails to have continuous and consistent wicking. First tank finished with no single dry hit on a fresh battery around 18+ watts. Am I going to be able to replicate the same wick later on, no way lol. This one is there to keep.

So Jeremy you are officially king of rayon. Game changer for sure. Later this week I will attack gg style atomizers with sub ohm small microcoils builds.

So what do you want to try in the gg, I need to build mine up again. I would normally go Vcore but, we can both try the same build... 1/16 micro coil at 18-20w?

It's gonna be killer can wait to get my oddy clone ready after 1 month away from it while I vaped the flashi clone.

 

[ClintS]

That has been my suspicion as well. I'm trying to figure out how to get the right size - big enough to ensure the coil stays filled, but not so much as to choke liquid and taste wick. Don't think I've hit that yet. I got cotton wicking almost immediately - this may take longer...

And I wouldn't say the rayon tastes bad, but it does leave a starchy-bleachy type bitter aftertaste. Organic cotton does the same, though, so it may just be me. Makes my mouth pucker a little at the back of my tongue and kicks my salivary glands into overdrive. Same thing happens at the dentist, lol...

Are you sure you do not have the CelluCotton 100% cotton? Just something to check; 2 people that provided me samples from a box with CelluCotton on it, but it was cotton.

For the Graham CelluCotton you want 44040, 44043, 44060, 44130 which is normal rayon or 44050, 44053, 44070, reinforced rayon CelluCotton.

The 44045, 44145, and 42251 are 100% cotton CelluCotton according to Graham Professional's web site.

 

[JeremyR]

I was stuffing the cc in the coil, unlike cotton where I put it in with light resistance....the cc was getting stuffed in like a hotdog into a fat guys mouth!

No complaints on vapor, flavor, nic hit...just noticed after several days I'm getting throat irritation. I'm going to switch back to koh gen doh and see if my irritation goes away.

I did have the same thing in the first few days - week. It's the power of the rayon. I thought it was a feeling like I would get at a cloud competition. The hits are stronger with more pure juice in each hit. It's overall smoother but In the beginning the extra nic and juice/ vapor density including a mist type of effect hit the throat differently. As you adjust to it it'll go away.

 

[JeremyR]

Wow, trying to keep up with this thread is a real chore[emoji1]

I have the tidi, non sterile balls from Port city medical, through eBay, cost twice as Sally's. I thought it would be smaller box but I was wrong. I also get the cotton taste for a few hits. PM your address and I'll send anybody a sample.

I don taste anything but juice one the first hit and consecutive hits after that. Unless it's wicked too tight or not primed enough.

2000 balls is a lot!

 

[JeremyR]

I've been using rayon (from sallys) for a few weeks now. Initial results were not very impressive, but after adjusting my wicking style some it's off the charts amazing.

I'm currently at 12mg and will have to drop to 6mg so it's not so harsh of nic hit lol.
Flavor is better and the wicks do last longer. It's interesting I use less than I did with cotton but it seems to work better when shorter (short and fat lol) in my drippers!

That's excellent news! Glad you figured it out.

 

[atroph]

So what is the consensus with the wick thickness? Shove the largest roll you can or just snug? I am also on the scratchy side but on certain tanks and juices. For instance my key lime pie is about 10x more lime then oc but much much less pie and graham crackers and a little scratchy. Now for my chocolate milkshake it is outstanding, like straight Hershey's in a glass of milk with no scratchy. The chocolate shake is in a evod coiled and wicked by me.

My klp is in an aerotank and I think I may not be powering it enough and this is an experimental dual coil build. I think I will go singles until I can get a mod to pump out more power to light up the duals like they should.

Tell you what I'll recoil and wick my evod loaded with klp and that should determine if my aerotank is hosed. I must say that I got sooo much lime hit that it felt like I had just snorted straight lime juice. Now if the cheesecake and Graham crackers would follow suit.

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[djironic]

Are you sure you do not have the CelluCotton 100% cotton? Just something to check; 2 people that provided me samples from a box with CelluCotton on it, but it was cotton.

For the Graham CelluCotton you want 44040, 44043, 44060, 44130 which is normal rayon or 44050, 44053, 44070, reinforced rayon CelluCotton.

The 44045, 44145, and 42251 are 100% cotton CelluCotton according to Graham Professional's web site.

Well, the box says 100% Rayon, but it was the *only* box of the stuff in the store, so...lol. It's almost certainly rayon, AFAIK, as it feels (and tastes) different from cotton.

 

[atroph]

OK so I recoiled and wicked my evod and did something a little different. For this build I squeezed the coil and torched it but then I expanded it slightly. I did this because my aerotank had two tightly compressed black coils with black rings on the wick. I am thinking that the compressed coil was too hot in that one spot which may have led to my poor experience. I also my be pumping too much power as well.

Tested the evod out and it chucked the vapor. My taste is a little desensitized right now so further testing will happen in the morning.

Also did a single coil and oc wick in the aero to see how it stands up. If that goes well then I'll slap the rayon in there.

Parting thought, anyone try a cotton and rayon hybrid?

Also I wonder if the funny taste that some are experiencing is related to the genetic ability to taste PTC. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylthiocarbamide

I remember doing this in grade school where you were handed a piece of laced test paper. You would put it on your tongue. To some (me included) it tasted really bitter. Similar to aquanet hair spray.

To some it was tasteless.

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[f1vefour]

I don't think it's related to PTC, I can't taste it but can taste rayon. Although it could be related to being a "super taster" though, I'm not ruling anything out.

From my research of rebuilding clearomizer coils an equally spaced non-contact coil gives better all around performance (like you described building for the evod).

I haven't tried hybrid cotton/rayon yet but it's on my to do list.

 

[cindycated]

So what is the consensus with the wick thickness? Shove the largest roll you can or just snug? I am also on the scratchy side but on certain tanks and juices. For instance my key lime pie is about 10x more lime then oc but much much less pie and graham crackers and a little scratchy. Now for my chocolate milkshake it is outstanding, like straight Hershey's in a glass of milk with no scratchy. The chocolate shake is in a evod coiled and wicked by me.

My klp is in an aerotank and I think I may not be powering it enough and this is an experimental dual coil build. I think I will go singles until I can get a mod to pump out more power to light up the duals like they should.

Tell you what I'll recoil and wick my evod loaded with klp and that should determine if my aerotank is hosed. I must say that I got sooo much lime hit that it felt like I had just snorted straight lime juice. Now if the cheesecake and Graham crackers would follow suit.

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Is the KLP new? From what I remember, it takes a few days (or longer) to steep. First it's all harsh, painful lime, then the meringue catches up and it's creamy goodness... then after a few days the lime fades and and it's all meringue. So when it gets good, vape it fast! Just sayin', it may not be your coil/wick that's making it do that.

I like my wicks still tuggable back and forth, but very very tightly. Non-contact coils work better for me too (Evods).

 

[bsoplinger]

I've refilled the Kayfuns a few times and the Fogger twice. Each time I've pulled the cap off the chamber and inspected the coil. Everything's fine. No repeat so far of the burnt to ashes wick issue I had. But I've been a bit more careful and made sure to never vape a tank completely dry before refilling. So I'm going to decide it was a freak occurrence and stop worrying about it, until or if it happens again.

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[porkchop_express]

porkchop_express,

What are you vaping in that thing Vodka? Who is your juice vender I got to get me some of that stuff.

Mine stay clean (except for NETs) but yours looks like it was just built and test fired. Are you sure you didn't slip a decimal point in the 23 day.

Hah, no it's USA Blend from Mt Baker. The juice is clear, with a very slight grey tint.

 

[porkchop_express]

Porkchop! That's ... incredible! The coil looks essentially 1 day old, wow!!!!

The cloud man the cloud is where it's at. ..

How does the gunking compare to your cotton clouds?

I find the flakes to be harmless. Seems like anything that build up in a dryish stage just gets boiled and popped off.

With cotton I rewicked about once a week, otherwise the coil would gunk bad enough to reduce flavor/vapor. I don't know man, it's just ridiculous how well this is working.

 

[porkchop_express]

I did have the same thing in the first few days - week. It's the power of the rayon. I thought it was a feeling like I would get at a cloud competition. The hits are stronger with more pure juice in each hit. It's overall smoother but In the beginning the extra nic and juice/ vapor density including a mist type of effect hit the throat differently. As you adjust to it it'll go away.

I had the same sore throat thing here. It started after about a week, so I switched to plain vg for a couple days and it went away.

 

[gorman]

With cotton I rewicked about once a week, otherwise the coil would gunk bad enough to reduce flavor/vapor. I don't know man, it's just ridiculous how well this is working.

So you basically have a single coil that "sits" on top of a rayon cloud? Is that it or do you have a rayon wick that goes inside the coil too?

 

[JeremyR]

I had the same issue at first. It goes away. For me it had happened every time I switch to a better wicking material. When I went from stock silica to cotton, it happened. From cotton to kgd cotton, same thing, from kgd to rayon.

The more it vaporizes and hits the back of your throat, causing a mild irritation. It passes after a couple days in my experience.

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Excellent description brook... One thing that would help is powering down a little so it's not so strong.. The extra nic hit produces some effects, like throat soreness and nic overload.