Replace "Subohm" with "High Wattage"

[Mad Scientist]

In the evolution of ecigs, it struck me that it's time for a change in terminology. "Subohm" has meaning only in the context of a mech with a typical single cell IMR lithium battery of today's technology. Battery and PV tech is marching on. Soon enough "Subohm" won't really mean anything as those technologies continue to evolve.

i suggest we say "High Wattage" (or HW for short) in place of Subohm. HW is above 15 watts of power (or pick a number we can agree on that makes sense).

Next, we have to get rid of that stupid "microcoil" moniker lol. And after that, referring to coil turns with 2 numbers; oh, my head is going to explode lol.

 

[Ben C.]

 

[st0nedpenguin]

No because high voltage and sub ohm both perform noticeably differently.

 

[dhomes]

Chill. Indeed.

 

[WattWick]

Why use the same term for two distinctly different ways of achieving higher wattage?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Uh boy, here we go. Existing Subohm coils are just a ratio of surface area to power. There are a myriad of builds that can provide the same when we move off the battery in a mech paradigm.

 

[lctrc]

If "sub ohm" becomes an obsolete term, then people will stop using it on their own. You don't hear people talking about blue aquarium foam anymore either. You're 'fixing' a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[Cjax]

The term micro-coil is describing a distinctly different technique to wrapping coils. Just calling it a coil doesn't fully explain or do it justice. Before micro-coils, everyone thought it was wrong or bad to have coils touching, but now we know there is just a certain way to do it without causing shorts. Pretty genius of my man super-x and lots of folks here owe him a great debt for starting this.

 

[dr g]

In the evolution of ecigs, it struck me that it's time for a change in terminology. "Subohm" has meaning only in the context of a mech with a typical single cell IMR lithium battery of today's technology. Battery and PV tech is marching on. Soon enough "Subohm" won't really mean anything as those technologies continue to evolve.

i suggest we say "High Wattage" (or HW for short) in place of Subohm. HW is above 15 watts of power (or pick a number we can agree on that makes sense).

Next, we have to get rid of that stupid "microcoil" moniker lol. And after that, referring to coil turns with 2 numbers; oh, my head is going to explode lol.

As you probably have seen, I am a big proponent of this change. Subohm has become quite a boogeyman in vaping, so it might be a good idea to stop stressing it. Subohm already doesn't mean anything other than the resistance of the coil. Now that there are regulated mods that can power subohm coils, the term is losing even more of its previous meaning (i.e. it doesn't automatically mean mech mod anymore). Wattage is the key issue and I am a firm believer that resistance is largely irrelevant to coil performance at a given wattage.

Microcoil on the other hand is a different issue. It is more meaningful in that it describes a coil design, which IMO gets more to the heart of what makes a coil work the way it does. BUT the "micro" part of microcoil IMO is outdated. The stacked coil design is the beneficial part of the design, the micro part is an adjunct design choice but it is not required and puts a heavier stress on wicking performance.

 

[Cjax]

...Microcoil on the other hand is a different issue. It is more meaningful in that it describes a coil design, which IMO gets more to the heart of what makes a coil work the way it does. BUT the "micro" part of microcoil IMO is outdated. The stacked coil design is the beneficial part of the design, the micro part is an adjunct design choice but it is not required and puts a heavier stress on wicking performance.

Yes, but if you use the microcoil with what it was intended for, i.e. cotton wicks, there won't be any issues because of how fast cotton wicks, especially rolled cotton. I used to be a big proponent for cheesecloth, but since trying some rolled cotton in a micro-coil, I've gotta admit, that set-up is pretty champion.

 

[natedawgdaboss]

sub ohms are also inherent to higher amperages where ohm+ arent. personally I like the performance and coolness of vape achieved by 5+ AMPS as opposed to 20+WATTS in a higher volt system... in short sub ohms differ drastically from anything else in amp usage and isnt going anywhere

 

[dr g]

sub ohms are also inherent to higher amperages where ohm+ arent. personally I like the performance and coolness of vape achieved by 5+ AMPS as opposed to 20+WATTS in a higher volt system... in short sub ohms differ drastically from anything else in amp usage and isnt going anywhere

Such wattage is not limited to subohm/mech anymore. Actually it hasn't been for a while.

 

[pdib]

can we call it "Fat Wire" vapes?




I like "Chunnel"








how about "tootin' the almond butter"?




no, maybe "high mass electron flow disruption" . . . . HMEFD vaping

 

[dr g]

Big coil might be the most accurate and relevant.

 

[ClippinWings]

In the evolution of ecigs, it struck me that it's time for a change in terminology. "Subohm" has meaning only in the context of a mech with a typical single cell IMR lithium battery of today's technology. Battery and PV tech is marching on. Soon enough "Subohm" won't really mean anything as those technologies continue to evolve.

i suggest we say "High Wattage" (or HW for short) in place of Subohm. HW is above 15 watts of power (or pick a number we can agree on that makes sense).

Next, we have to get rid of that stupid "microcoil" moniker lol. And after that, referring to coil turns with 2 numbers; oh, my head is going to explode lol.

Apparently the opinion of someone who:

Doesn't use mechs, micro coils, or rebuildables

And doesn't realize there is a HUGE difference between 15 watts on a sub-ohm coil and 15 watts on a VV/VW device

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[ClippinWings]

Uh boy, here we go. Existing Subohm coils are just a ratio of surface area to power. There are a myriad of builds that can provide the same when we move off the battery in a mech paradigm.

That is incorrect.... Very very incorrect.

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[ClippinWings]

As you probably have seen, I am a big proponent of this change. Subohm has become quite a boogeyman in vaping, so it might be a good idea to stop stressing it. Subohm already doesn't mean anything other than the resistance of the coil. Now that there are regulated mods that can power subohm coils, the term is losing even more of its previous meaning (i.e. it doesn't automatically mean mech mod anymore). Wattage is the key issue and I am a firm believer that resistance is largely irrelevant to coil performance at a given wattage.

Microcoil on the other hand is a different issue. It is more meaningful in that it describes a coil design, which IMO gets more to the heart of what makes a coil work the way it does. BUT the "micro" part of microcoil IMO is outdated. The stacked coil design is the beneficial part of the design, the micro part is an adjunct design choice but it is not required and puts a heavier stress on wicking performance.

Wattage is most definitely NOT the key issue.

The key issues are wire temperature and surface area.

"Wattage" doesn't do any better a job of describing that than does "sub-ohm"...

Cause if I told you I was vaping 40 watts right now(which I am)... You may incorrectly assume it's a hot vape... It's not on my current build.


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[ClippinWings]

Big coil might be the most accurate and relevant.

Nah... I'm using micro coils

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[Dusty_D]

Just so I'm clear ClippinWings, you're saying vaping at 15 watts on a sub ohm coil is NOT the same as vaping say a 2 ohm coil on a regulated device putting out 5.5v (15.1 watts combined output)?!

 

[Mad Scientist]

Apparently the opinion of someone who:

Doesn't use mechs, micro coils, or rebuildables

And doesn't realize there is a HUGE difference between 15 watts on a sub-ohm coil and 15 watts on a VV/VW device

Sent from my mobile, using Tapatalk... so ignore the typos.

Yeah, ok a 15 watt build on a power source that will actually produce 15 watts is ... (Drum roll) ... 15 watts. But your 15 watts are special and I'm glad for you lol.

And again with that stupid microcoil. I like dr. g's stacked coil or anything that describes what it is. I'd agree that a coil with a diameter less than 3 wire diameters is a microcoil. What we build is not. It's just a coil with the turns touching for better heat transfer.