Replace "Subohm" with "High Wattage"

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I think the coil "mass" argument is kind of iffy, as ribbon clearly uses more mass in more space, i.e. double mass...ish.

It's really down to what juice can handle these high pulses in power. As any vaper worth their salt KNOWS that juices vary in terms of "perfect" vape voltage/wattage.

Meaning, don't put juices that taste wretched at higher voltages in a really low ohm setup.

You guys already know this though...right?

 

[dr g]

No it doesn't.

But thermodynamics effect the vape produced by variations in ohms law.

Ohms law stands up, and a 15 watt vape is identical at all voltages....

UNLESS the wire gauge and/or shape changes... Then differences in thermodynamics take effect and the vape can be very different.

Right, and you can build superohm coils in a similar size and shape to subohm coils.

 

[dr g]

I think the coil "mass" argument is kind of iffy, as ribbon clearly uses more mass in more space, i.e. double mass...ish.

I don't understand what point you are making here. Can you clarify?

Meaning, don't put juices that taste wretched at higher temps in a really low ohm setup.

All juice vaporizes at a similar temperature. Subohm coils don't run hotter than superohm coils.

 

[ClippinWings]

Right, and you can build superohm coils in a similar size and shape to subohm coils.

No you can't.

Because an 8ohm coil (you'd need to vape 18volts at 40watts), of the same length as a 0.4 coil (to fit in the same atty)... Will be using much higher gauge wire...

It will heat faster, heat higher, burn juice and blow easier at the same wattage.


OK... I won't say it's impossible.... But no one has done it... And if they have, the method has never been explained, duplicated or gained an ounce of support...

Sub ohm became popular because it works.

Just like micro coils.

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[dr g]

No you can't.

Because a 3ohm coil, of the same length as a 0.4 coil (to fit in the same atty)... Will be using much higher gauge wire...

It will heat faster, heat higher, burn juice and blow easier at the same wattage.

If you are matching the mass correctly, it won't do any of those things.

For example my 3.2 ohm coil uses the same gauge wire as my .6 dual coil. So it actually heats slower, but produces more vapor.

 

[ClippinWings]

All juice vaporizes at a similar temperature. Subohm coils don't run hotter than superohm coils.

In fact mine usually run cooler.

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[TheSystemHasFailed]

All juice vaporizes at a similar temperature. Subohm coils don't run hotter than superohm coils.

We aren't talking about vaporization. We are talking about what juices can handle the higher power. Which sub-ohm being good or not, really comes down to, aside from proper building. Clearly you've never had juices that only taste good at a certain temp, or bad at higher temps.

 

[ClippinWings]

If you are matching the mass correctly, it won't do any of those things.

For example my 3.2 ohm coil uses the same gauge wire as my .6 dual coil. So it actually heats slower, but produces more vapor.

I edited my post.

But that's not possible...

28 gauge wire is .45ohms/inch

You're claiming you fit over 6" of wire into a coil into an atty?

Our are you trying to make a .6 by using 1 wrap of 34 gauge?
(If that's the case, you don't understand what sub ohm vaping is all about)

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[dr g]

We aren't talking about vaporization. We are talking about what juices can handle the higher power. Which sub-ohm being good or not, really comes down to, aside from proper building. Clearly you've never had juices that only taste good at a certain temp, or bad at higher temps.

I have juices that taste different at different vapor temperatures, yes. But that is 1) not the coil doing it per se, and 2) not what restricts how much power your coil can handle, at least when we usually talk about subohm/power/vapor production.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I edited my post.

But that's not possible...

28 gauge wire is .45ohms/inch

You're claiming you fit over 6" of wire into a coil into an atty?

Our are you trying to make a .6 by using 1 wrap of 34 gauge?

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He's talking of mass.

How the heck do you measure coil mass. Maybe I am ignorant to that Dr.G

School me.

 

[dr g]

I edited my post.

But that's not possible...

28 gauge wire is .45ohms/inch

You're claiming you fit over 6" of wire into a coil into an atty?

Sure did. It's not hard, and I could fit plenty more if I wanted to.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I have juices that taste different at different vapor temperatures, yes. But that is 1) not the coil doing it per se, and 2) not what restricts how much power your coil can handle, at least when we usually talk about subohm/power/vapor production.

Let me edit this, "how much power your coil can handle"...JUICE man it's JUICE that decides what temps i.e resistances/powers/watts we WANT to go to.

I run different S/O builds that only get certain juice.

Everything else besides proper building and safety, is arbitrary.

 

[ClippinWings]

We aren't talking about vaporization. We are talking about what juices can handle the higher power. Which sub-ohm being good or not, really comes down to, aside from proper building. Clearly you've never had juices that only taste good at a certain temp, or bad at higher temps.

I actually haven't experienced picky juices like you describe since getting into sub ohm... They all taste good.

That wasn't the case on vv/vw devices and atties in the 1.8-3.2 range.

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[ClippinWings]

Sure did. It's not hard, and I could fit plenty more if I wanted to.

Then you need to do a detailed post of how it works... Cause no one hear knows... Or maybe no one wants to waste that much wire... I don't know.

Regardless... I'd love to see a build like that. Never have.
You'd be breaking new ground... Just as sub ohm did.

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[TheSystemHasFailed]

I actually haven't experienced picky juices like you describe since getting into sub ohm... They all taste good.

That wasn't the case on vv/vw devices and atties in the 1.8-3.2 range.

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I envy you then. I have a certain Hazelnut juice that just goes to another planet and not in a good way, at either too long of a high-temp burn, or sub ohm.

Real talk.

 

[dr g]

He's talking of mass.

How the heck do you measure coil mass. Maybe I am ignorant to that Dr.G

School me.

When I say mass I don't mean it like the scientific term mass (i.e. grams), but general bulk/size of the coil.

So in order to make a higher resistance coil operate like a thick wire, lower resistance coil, you have to wrap enough wire of whatever gauge you are using to match the general size, using the microcoil principle (which I call stacked coil), which gives the coils thermal coherence.

For example my 3.2 ohm coil has something like 15 wraps of 28g around a triple 3mm silica wick package.

Juices liking to run hotter/cooler for a certain taste is a separate issue and it's not really related to absolute power as much as specific coil/atomizer build. I have a NET juice that can act differently at times so I know what this is, when we talk about power limits though it's usually talking about the limits of the wicking performance.

 

[ClippinWings]

I envy you then. I have a certain Hazelnut juice that just goes to another planet and not in a good way, at either too long of a high-temp burn, or sub ohm.

Real talk.

I've definitely seen it at too high a temp... But as I said my sub ohm builds trend to run cooler than any LR or SR I used to run.

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[TheSystemHasFailed]

When I say mass I don't mean it like the scientific term mass (i.e. grams), but general bulk/size of the coil.

So in order to make a higher resistance coil operate like a thick wire, lower resistance coil, you have to wrap enough wire of whatever gauge you are using to match the general size, using the microcoil principle (which I call stacked coil), which gives the coils thermal coherence.

For example my 3.2 ohm coil has something like 15 wraps of 28g around a triple 3mm silica wick package.

Juices liking to run hotter/cooler for a certain taste is a separate issue and it's not really related to absolute power as much as specific coil/atomizer build. I have a NET juice that can act differently at times so I know what this is, when we talk about power limits though it's usually talking about the limits of the wicking performance.

Of course it is. How long can you press a mech for, or what regulated device are you going to run it on. We ARE talking about sub-ohm ya know.
Separate issue...what the hell else are you using except juice?! It's about how well these setups hit "sweet spots" with...JUICE!


I can tell Doc, you have no idea.

 

[ClippinWings]

when we talk about power limits though it's usually talking about the limits of the wicking performance.

Oh yes, I did fail to mention...

I drip. Exclusively.

So I don't have wicking issues...
If I do, I did something wrong


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[dr g]

Of course it is. How long can you press a mech for, or what regulated device are you going to run it on. We ARE talking about sub-ohm ya know.
Separate issue...what the hell else are you using except juice?! It's about how well these setups hit "sweet spots" with...JUICE!

Tuning taste is a separate issue from tuning vapor production. Tuning vapor production could be done just as well with a flavorless juice, it's about the wicking package and its ability to supply juice (and the atomizer's ability to mix air). Vapor production is like a macro-scale adjustment and it usually what people are talking about when they compare subohm to consumer type superohm setups. Taste is tuned more on a micro-scale after establishing production.

I can tell Doc, you have no idea.

Oh I have the idea, you just haven't realized it yet.