Replace "Subohm" with "High Wattage"

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Oh yes, I did fail to mention...

I drip. Exclusively.

So I don't have wicking issues...
If I do, I did something wrong ;)


Sent from my mobile, using Tapatalk... so ignore the typos. ;)

I am talking about dripping, wicking is still key. Flooding a coil doesn't work, and insufficient or poorly constructed wicking packages won't work as well.
 

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Tuning taste is a separate issue from tuning vapor production. Tuning vapor production could be done just as well with a flavorless juice, it's about the wicking package and its ability to supply juice. Vapor production is like a macro-scale adjustment and it usually what people are talking about when they compare subohm to consumer type superohm setups. Taste is tuned more on a micro-scale after establishing production.



Oh I have the idea, you just haven't realized it yet.
And where in the thread title, or original question is there mention of vapor production.

The deflecting won't work.
 

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You can't be serious.
Point? Sir, there is more than one point.

I can imagine what you vape, and what it tastes like.

How about flavor.

Man...

What about it? Flavor is great, if it's not I fix it. But if you understand how to build atomizers you can get them to run the same, and just increase vapor quantity at the same vapor temperature.

Again, all juice vaporizes at about the same temperature.
 

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What about it? Flavor is great, if it's not I fix it. But if you understand how to build atomizers it's not too hard to get them to run the same, and just increase vapor quantity at the same vapor temperature.
That makes no sense.
At all.
One juice doesn't vape as good at a certain temp as another.

No running the same...
Like I said, I can tell.
 

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That makes no sense.
At all.

It makes perfect sense. You said it yourself, your subohm atomizers run if anything "cooler" than your consumer atomizers. So despite pumping more power, your build kept vapor temperature the same or lower. You could raise it or lower it to match what your juice likes by adjusting the details of your build.
 

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It makes perfect sense. You said it yourself, your subohm atomizers run if anything "cooler" than your consumer atomizers.
Quote me saying that.

I can't even believe this right now.
I used to think people got on you, but now it's all come full circle.

Unless genuine quotes are provided (which can't be, as I know what I think in my small brain), then we are done here sir.

Have a good night.
 

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Quote me saying that.

Sorry it was clippinwings that said that. So I'll explain: It's quite common to build a subohm coil that runs as cool or cooler than a consumer coil. That's how subohm works after all, it's not like suddenly you are vaping at a super high temperature. The juice still vaporizes at the same temperature. You are building a larger coil which takes more power to operate.

The size of the coil sets the size of the vaporization zone and therefore the amount of juice you can vaporize at once, this is why large coils produce more vapor than small coils. However the temperature of the coil during operation runs in the same range as any other atomizer.

Your juice would probably taste fine in clippinwings' subohm coil that runs cool. In subohm atomizers that run hot, or when you hold down a button for a long time, you soak heat into the coil and surrounding parts of the atomizer, which affects the wicking of the juice in the area of the coil on continued/subsequent firing as well as affecting the juice itself (reduced viscosity, possible boil-off of volatile compounds in surrounding juice, etc.)

The way to tune this would be to build differently (e.g. increase coil mass) or to feather the button in operation (remembering that wattage figures are instantaneous figures, time is a factor in total energy to the coil/atomizer).

So yeah. A lot to understand, and I don't think many people have put all of this together.
 
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That's how subohm works after all, it's not like suddenly you are vaping at a super high temperature.
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Eh? Do you think otherwise? (If you do, explain why, given the physics of phase change)

Wait ... are you a subohm vaper?

Well crap... That face palm image made me switch sides.... At least on this point...

Sub-ohm does not in anyway mean hot.

In fact it doesn't give any indication of temperature.

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Well crap... That face palm image made me switch sides.... At least on this point...

Sub-ohm does not in anyway mean hot.

In fact it doesn't give any indication of temperature.

Yep, that is a common misunderstanding about subohm.

You seem to have the general thermodynamic idea down. So think about it this way ... if you were to use the exact same coil as your subohm coil, and wrap twice as many wraps, or as many as you need to go to over 1 ohm. If you put the same power through it, assuming your wicking is equivalent, what would happen?
 
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I think we need either a pic or video demo of how this works.. anybody?!

I'm still confused on how 15W is not 15W when vaped in different coil configs.

Well it is different for different atomizer builds and that's the same reason I thing subohm is going to be obsolete as a descriptor. Resistance isn't the determining factor, if we free ourselves from the image of an IMR lithium battery in a mech. Let's for instance look forward to a battery chemistry that produces, say, triple the voltage. To get the same vape with the same build as a present day subohm setup, you'd have to use a wire with a higher resistance per cross section. The term subohm would draw blank stares. Similarly if someone comes up with an atomizer design that doesn't use wire or at least not how we all use it.

All subohm amounts to is high wattage atomizers spreading that power over enough juice to prevent it from tasting burnt. The term itself implies high wattage vaping using today's batteries in today's mechs (let's go subohm at 3 watts on a lower voltage power source; is it still the magical "subohm" vaping?)
 

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Yep, that is a common misunderstanding about subohm.

You seem to have the general thermodynamic idea down. So think about it this way ... if you were to use the exact same coil as your subohm coil, and wrap twice as many wraps, or as many as you need to go to over 1 ohm. If you put the same power through it, assuming your wicking is equivalent, what would happen?

I get, that basic premise, of what you are saying... my issue is size and wicking(as you mentioned)...

I just don't understand how you could feed enough juice to a coil made of 6" of 28 gauge... and still fit all the wire and wick into the atty... without obstructing airflow.

On top of that, It seems like a waste of wire and wick, just for the sake of using an ugly vv/vw mod... I mean that's one of the added bonuses of going mechanical... the mods look good.
 
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this subject has been beaten like an adopted step child HERE, and they still havent come to a conclusion....
 
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