Replace "Subohm" with "High Wattage"

[ClippinWings]

Well it is different for different atomizer builds and that's the same reason I thing subohm is going to be obsolete as a descriptor...

The only way there is even a risk of it becoming Obsolete, is if vv/vw mods become available that can let us vape at well over 40 watts...

Yes, I'm sure they will eventually get to that point... BUT...

You miss one crucial factor... Art and Simple Elegance.

There is an Art and Simple Elegance to a Mechanical mod and a well built sub-ohm...

Think of it like cars... with VV/VW being automatic transmision... Mech being manual...

They're just different animals... and even if it's possible to do more in and automatic and it's technology produces a ton of safety and comfort benefits... Purists will still enjoy the Art and Simple Elegance of the Manual

 

[ClippinWings]

... you guys need to stop vaping whatever it is you guys are on....

this subject has been beaten like an adopted step child HERE, and they still havent come to a conclusion....

Yes it has.. but I think Vaping has changed a lot in a year...

 

[BuzzKilla]

Yes it has.. but I think Vaping has changed a lot in a year...

so?

vaping is an ever evolving thing.....
just when you think you have the perfect vape, BOOM something better falls into your hand.
i have an ERA by BudzWorx(0.4ohm dual coil) on my Caravela , and i'm STILL looking for a better vape.
"Vape mail coming soon!"


to get back on the original thread subject....
changing the name of something, wont change whatever insecurities you have about it.
If you don't understand, just move on and let others have their fun!
Its a hobby, and every hobby has the crazies... and right now, we are hanging out in the sub-ohm realm!
Join us if you want... just don't barge in and tell us we are doing it wrong...

a VV/VW cant pump out the power that a mech. can (yet)... that is just fact...
don't hate on sub-ohm because your vapor isn't as luscious as mine

 

[Mitey F]

Let's for instance look forward to a battery chemistry that produces, say, triple the voltage. To get the same vape with the same build as a present day subohm setup, you'd have to use a wire with a higher resistance per cross section. The term subohm would draw blank stares.

You're halfway there. In THIS scenario (a new battery chemistry that allows say 10v on a mech mod) we would not be running sub-ohm coils. BUT we also wouldn't REFER to them as "sub-ohm" coils. At this point in vaping technology, sub-ohm has a place in our vernacular.

Setting aside the other arguments, "sub-ohm" is a SPECIFIC and DESCRIPTIVE way of describing a coil. It's just like ALL the other terms we have come to create/use in vaping

 

[ClippinWings]

so?

vaping is an ever evolving thing.....
just when you think you have the perfect vape, BOOM something better falls into your hand.
i have an ERA by BudzWorx(0.4ohm dual coil) on my Caravela , and i'm STILL looking for a better vape.
"Vape mail coming soon!"

agreed... but that's sort of the point.. that thread is huge... too big to actually be useful now... much like the micro-coil thread... unless you've been reading it from the start, or went through it a few page sat a time for weeks... it's just too big to tackle

This thread started as a semantics discussion... still is, with some diversions to discus the "why" of the "what"... but it's small enough that a new reader can grasp concepts not covered until much later into the wire temp thread.

to get back on the original thread subject....
changing the name of something, wont change whatever insecurities you have about it.
If you don't understand, just move on and let others have their fun!
Its a hobby, and every hobby has the crazies... and right now, we are hanging out in the sub-ohm realm!
Join us if you want... just don't barge in and tell us we are doing it wrong...

a VV/VW cant pump out the power that a mech. can (yet)... that is just fact...
don't hate on sub-ohm because your vapor isn't as luscious as mine

Agreed.

 

[ClippinWings]

You're halfway there. In THIS scenario (a new battery chemistry that allows say 10v on a mech mod) we would not be running sub-ohm coils. BUT we also wouldn't REFER to them as "sub-ohm" coils. At this point in vaping technology, sub-ohm has a place in our vernacular.

Setting aside the other arguments, "sub-ohm" is a SPECIFIC and DESCRIPTIVE way of describing a coil. It's just like ALL the other terms we have come to create/use in vaping

right.

the entire premise of removing the term "Sub Ohm" is based on the theoretical idea that it will one day be obsolete... it's not now and while there is a chance that VV/VW devices will, in the foreseeable future, produce well over 40 watts. Their battery life will be atrocious doing so... because battery tech is stalled...

Why do you think your cell phone can't last a full day when 10 years ago, they'd go several days?
Battery tech progress inches along... VERY slowly.

With the push towards electric cars... there is great incentive to improve battery performance... we may one day see benefits here... if a game changing breakthrough is made.

Until then... "Sub-Ohm" is real, is current, and is in no danger of becoming obsolete.

 

[dr g]

The only way there is even a risk of it becoming Obsolete, is if vv/vw mods become available that can let us vape at well over 40 watts...

1) Wattage has nothing to do with "subohm" -- that's the point. Subohm only describes the resistance and now that you can put it on regulated devices, the link between resistance and power is broken.

2) There are VV mods that can do 40 watts (I've seen up to ~88).

Yes, I'm sure they will eventually get to that point... BUT...

You miss one crucial factor... Art and Simple Elegance.

There is an Art and Simple Elegance to a Mechanical mod and a well built sub-ohm...

Think of it like cars... with VV/VW being automatic transmision... Mech being manual...

They're just different animals... and even if it's possible to do more in and automatic and it's technology produces a ton of safety and comfort benefits... Purists will still enjoy the Art and Simple Elegance of the Manual

This has nothing to do with the resistance of a coil being below 1 ohm.

to get back on the original thread subject....
changing the name of something, wont change whatever insecurities you have about it.

The OP doesn't have insecurities, though others have big ones and that's part of the reason I am in favor of the change. Anyone who would advocate for this change can't have insecurities ... people with insecurities would want to keep it identified by the handle they know it as.

If you don't understand, just move on and let others have their fun!
Its a hobby, and every hobby has the crazies... and right now, we are hanging out in the sub-ohm realm!
Join us if you want... just don't barge in and tell us we are doing it wrong...

We understand fine, that's why we advocate the change. It's really not that crazy.

a VV/VW cant pump out the power that a mech. can (yet)... that is just fact...
don't hate on sub-ohm because your vapor isn't as luscious as mine

Not a fact at all. The power level associated with subohm on a mech starts at about 16 watts.

 

[BuzzKilla]

deleted... im not going to argue this

 

[dr g]

deleted... im not going to argue this

What I've said is really not arguable, BUT I understand that imposing a change externally is not something someone can just up and decide to do. So take this thread as just informational, for awareness of the directions things are going and how subohm is becoming less descriptive. I personally cannot use the term subohm to describe what I'm doing even though what I'm doing is the same.

In due time the change may just happen on its own. Or not.

 

[ClippinWings]

This has nothing to do with the resistance of a coil being below 1 ohm.

of coarse it does.... how else do you get THAT type of vape on a mechanical?

 

[ClippinWings]

OK, I finally realized what this thread is about... my apologies for it taking so long.

There is not even a debate to be had...

that's part of the reason I am in favor of the change.

what change?

what else do you call a coil that is less than 1.0 ohm?

because even if what you say is true and a similar vape can be had at higher resistance....

the build would be different from that used on a mech... and a sub-ohm coil would still be unique.



You can suggest that we all call the color green, "toilet plunger"... but it won't make it so.

 

[ClippinWings]

In due time the change may just happen on its own. Or not.

Not.

A coil that is less than 1.0 ohms, is by definition "sub-ohm"

unless and until mechs stop possessing an Art of Simple Elegance... and still have a following(I suspect this will never happen, just a muscle cars are still popular today)... Sub-Ohm vaping will still be a thing.

You can think that your idea is better than everyone elses... that doesn't mean you can simply "impose" a change on everyone who doesn't agree...

If that was possible no one would call them eCigarettes... since it's been suggested many times that we sort of screwed ourselves, by using that name.

In both cases... the ship has sailed... you can't just impose your will on others... even if a coil that was less than 1.0 ohms wasn't, by definition "sub-ohm"

You know what... your stance about renaming a coil built at less than 1.0 ohms, really reminds me of the ANTZ stance of calling ecigs "Tobacco products"

 

[dr g]

what change?

The change from using subohm to imply high wattage to specifying high wattage.

what else do you call a coil that is less than 1.0 ohm?

I would suggest describing it by its resistance. Like a 0.6 ohm coil.

because even if what you say is true and a similar vape can be had at higher resistance....

the build would be different from that used on a mech... and a sub-ohm coil would still be unique.

Not very. There's very little difference between a 1.00 ohm and 0.95 ohm coil if you achieve the latter by shortening the former.

that doesn't mean you can simply "impose" a change on everyone who doesn't agree..

Gosh, where have I heard that before?

of coarse it does.... how else do you get THAT type of vape on a mechanical?

That has nothing to do with the "art" or whatever flowery stuff you wrote. But since you ask, you can achieve it by stacking if you really want to. Or using an alternative power source.

Mechanical is neither here nor there, especially since people keep bringing regulated into the discussion to try to make a point.

 

[Jimi D.]

The term micro-coil is describing a distinctly different technique to wrapping coils. Just calling it a coil doesn't fully explain or do it justice. Before micro-coils, everyone thought it was wrong or bad to have coils touching, but now we know there is just a certain way to do it without causing shorts. Pretty genius of my man super-x and lots of folks here owe him a great debt for starting this.

I knew about coils touching each other, in 2010. I took a cartomizer apart. It's nothing new.

 

[ClippinWings]

Mechanical is neither here nor there, especially since people keep bringing regulated into the discussion to try to make a point.

as i said i finally understand the point... sorry it took me a while.

a coil that is <1.0ohms is "Sub ohm"

sorry, I didn't create language or mathematics.

 

[dr g]

as i said i finally understand the point... sorry it took me a while.

a coil that is <1.0ohms is "Sub ohm"

sorry, I didn't create language or mathematics.

Right, that is the definition of subohm. As such it is a low-value descriptor, as all resistance figures are.

 

[ClippinWings]

Right, that is the definition of subohm. As such it is a low-value descriptor, as all resistance figures are.

so is "high wattage".... because a mechanical user can't use an 8ohm coil at 18 volts.

Sorry... "Sub ohm" is an actual thing, with a very descriptive name.

 

[BuzzKilla]

sub-ohm vaping - vaping on an atty that has a resistance of less than 1 ohm.
it is not mislabelled or up for interpretation....
resistance is a variable in wattage, they are not one and the same.

whether you think that a 0.4ohm coil vapes the same as a 2.5ohm coil of similar wattage means nothing, and it has nothing to do with the definition of sub-ohm vaping.

quit now, and stop trying to prove a point that doesn't exist...

 

[ClippinWings]

sub-ohm vaping - vaping on an atty that has a resistance of less than 1 ohm.
it is not mislabelled or up for interpretation....
resistance is a variable in wattage, they are not one and the same.

whether you think that a 0.4ohm coil vapes the same as a 2.5ohm coil of similar wattage means nothing, and it has nothing to do with the definition of sub-ohm vaping.

quit now, and stop trying to prove a point that doesn't exist...

Exactly... I actually feel silly that I got wrapped up in the argument and completely missed the simple truth of that answer.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

He's good at what he does...

10/10 dr.g