Replace "Subohm" with "High Wattage"

[ClippinWings]

Maybe make a place for them in the museum next to the blue foam (lol).

I'm sure there will be room, next to the manual transition that no one uses anymore.



Sent from my mobile, using Tapatalk... so ignore the typos.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Next, we have to get rid of that stupid "microcoil" moniker lol. And after that, referring to coil turns with 2 numbers; oh, my head is going to explode lol.

Bro, wrap your coils any diameter you want and call them whatever you want.

I wrapped a very tiny diameter coil (1/16" ID or slightly less) with the wraps touching, observed some major performance improvements, called it a micro coil, created a couple of threads here on ECF to share it and the rest is history. It has ((((BLOWN UP)))).

Unfortunately many so called micro coils are anything but micro coils though and much of the original concept (described above) has been mistranslated by Youtube personalities such that anyone who wraps a coil with the wraps close to each other thinks they're using a micro coil. It's all good. Chef don't judge.

As for this argument in sub ohm vs wattage - I'm more of a "seat of the pants" type vaper so it don't matter to me and I could care less what you call it. If it vapes great to me, I like it. And I share it.

But a micro coil (built correctly) will always be a micro coil in my mind / threads / videos..

Or you can call it a super_X coil if micro coil bothers you

 

[t8kiteasy]

You're still thinking small every time you say "within the limits of the device" or "safe." Limits of what device and safe for what? Implicit in what you're saying is the limits of what's now commonly used that wont be the same in a year, or less.

All of what you have said are simply the relationships in two simple equations with four variables ( E=IR and W=EI ). Basic algebra allows solving for all if any two are known. There is no order of items. You order the items based on your frame of reference that you explicitly state: mech vs vv vs vw, My frame of reference is device independent. When I have what I am after in terms of performance, I will make the portable power source that delivers it.

I don't value one variable over another but I do envision the mech with an IMR in it going the way of the buggy whip. Interesting historical footnote but something better is on the horizon.

Maybe make a place for them in the museum next to the blue foam (lol).

I have some news for you,my pieces of art,one of a kind mech's(see this is something you don't understand with mech's)are going no where but with me all day long with a sub ohm build,regardless of what comes out.You could make as big of a power source you want,i will take my pieces of art instead.

 

[BuzzKilla]

I have some news for you,my pieces of art,one of a kind mech's(see this is something you don't understand with mech's)are going no where but with me all day long with a sub ohm build,regardless of what comes out.You could make as big of a power source you want,i will take my pieces of art instead.

agreed.... i would take my Caravela over a LegalVape 4000 (a P Busardo creation)


man this thread went to hell....
but it is so entertaining!

 

[ClippinWings]

All of what you have said are simply the relationships in two simple equations with four variables ( E=IR and W=EI ). Basic algebra allows solving for all if any two are known. There is no order of items. You order the items based on your frame of reference that you explicitly state: mech vs vv vs vw, My frame of reference is device independent. When I have what I am after in terms of performance, I will make the portable power source that delivers it..

No it's not and it is your inability to see the difference between mechanical and non-mechanical devices that is preventing you and Dr G from seeing that "sub ohm" as a perfectly valid and descriptive term.

Put another way, you see everything through "VV tinted glasses".

Call it "High wattage vaping" if you want... maybe it will catch on.

 

[ClippinWings]

Running a high wattage through a device actually does suggest a certain type of coil and atomizer build, so it is more meaningful than you credit it with being. If you have a 32 gauge coil capable of handling 20 watts, it will perform closer to a 26 gauge coil than you think.

Earlier I suggested another descriptive option. Seems no one caught it.

what are you talking about?

You keep trying to derail this conversation back into left field

"Sub Ohm" means a coil that is < 1.0 Ohms

This is not Rocket Surgery

 

[dr g]

Way to ignore the point.

But just for the sake of clarity... You are incorrect... Wattage is a numerical representation of power... Vapor production is a physical thing created by a combination of things; power, wicking, heat, etc.

Wattage is the ultimate limiter on performance. In the end you can only physically vaporize so much juice given a certain amount of power. All factors of atomizer build are tied to and/or are affected by wattage: power is wattage, wicking has to keep up with a given power level, heat is the result of wattage, etc.

Once you understand how to build for vapor production, you understand that the goal is harnessing the power into vaporization. That's why at the same wattage well built high resistance atomizers can produce the same or better than low resistance ones ... or any resistance.

Resistance per se is largely irrelevant to vapor production. It is only relevant if it affects power.

 

[BuzzKilla]

bro, do you even vape!

 

[ClippinWings]

Wattage is the ultimate limiter on performance. In the end you can only physically vaporize so much juice given a certain amount of power. All factors of atomizer build are tied to and/or are affected by wattage: power is wattage, wicking has to keep up with a given power level, heat is the result of wattage, etc.

Once you understand how to build for vapor production, you understand that the goal is harnessing the power into vaporization. That's why at the same wattage well built high resistance atomizers can produce the same or better than low resistance ones ... or any resistance.

Resistance per se is largely irrelevant to vapor production. It is only relevant if it affects power.

I'm starting to hear an echo....

What are you talking about?

You ignore common sense and keep trying to steer this off into a pointless argument...

"Sub Ohm" means a coil that is < 1.0Ω

It's simple, honest, and exactly describes what it is.

 

[dr g]

Again that's disingenuous. You know as well as everyone else that wattage is a key issue with subohm. I mean look at the sticky subohm thread.

 

[JackSparrow]

Sub-ohm means a coil that's less than 1 ohm.

/thread

Sent via NSA Spy Satellite...

 

[ClippinWings]

Again that's disingenuous. You know as well as everyone else that wattage is a key issue with subohm. I mean look at the sticky subohm thread.

The only reason there is even a debate going on is that you refuse to accept that we view things differently, while we fully accept that you do.

and regardless of whether you want to accept it or not...

"Sub Ohm" does in fact literally mean: a coil that is < 1.0Ω

 

[dr g]

What you refuse to accept is that in sub ohm vaping... wattage is an afterthought...

Wattage is a primary thought in subohm mech vaping. Because it's a mech, varying the resistance varies the wattage and that is the key effect of going with low resistance.

However in just "subohm" vaping ... wattage could be anything, so there isn't enough information to extrapolate much.

The difference is not the resistance of the coil but the mech device vs regulated.

 

[BuzzKilla]

okay Mr. G.... i want to know what you are vaping on....

pics of setup?

 

[ClippinWings]

Wattage is a primary thought in subohm mech vaping. Because it's a mech, varying the resistance varies the wattage and that is the key effect of going with low resistance.

However in just "subohm" vaping ... wattage could be anything, so there isn't enough information to extrapolate much.

The difference is not the resistance of the coil but the mech device vs regulated.

Did you know?:

"Sub Ohm" = (< 1.0Ω)

 

[dr g]

okay Mr. G.... i want to know what you are vaping on....

pics of setup?

Is it relevant? I vape on many things.

Did you know?:

"Sub Ohm" = (< 1.0Ω)

yup, an inherently meaningless fact, with regard to vaping.

 

[BuzzKilla]

Is it relevant? I vape on many things.

it's relevant to my question... please elaborate?

 

[dr g]

it's relevant to my question... please elaborate?

DNA 20 mods, mech mods, vamo, vv ego, couple egos, etc.

the DNA20 mods are the ones that are really enlightening, the ability to drive power through such a wide variety of resistances taught me a lot.

 

[bulldog63h]

What I've said is really not arguable, BUT I understand that imposing a change externally is not something someone can just up and decide to do. So take this thread as just informational, for awareness of the directions things are going and how subohm is becoming less descriptive. I personally cannot use the term subohm to describe what I'm doing even though what I'm doing is the same.

In due time the change may just happen on its own. Or not.

How is sub-ohm becoming less descriptive? If the resistance is below one ohm, it's always going to be sub-ohm. The advances in technology do not change that simple fact. Plain and simple. Car tech has changed dramaticly since it's invention but it's still a car. Or perhaps you would like to call it a mobility aparatus.

 

[ClippinWings]

yup, an inherently meaningless fact, with regard to vaping.

uh... let's try this, instead:

"Sub Ohm" MEANS < 1.0Ω

Sub Ohms means exactly what it says.