Reservoir Straw & Plug Mod (RSP Mod)
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Just thinking out loud, but when the folks were worried about polyurethane, is that what carts are made out of by all the manufacturers? Polyfill? I think we might be arguing about the same stuff they use in the first place
You know me, of course I put one together last night. The pad is 6mm thick. I was thinking it was thinner because I'm so used to seeing in after use. Plain and simple, I cut out a rectangle and it fit like a glove as is. Seems to be the perfect thickness. Best thing is, they're pretty cheap. You can purchase them at Lowes for under $5. Amazon has them for under $4.
Amazon.com: Cerama Bryte Ceramic-Glass Cooktop Cleaning Pads - 4 pack: Home & Garden
One of the issues I was having was not being able to create/decide on the right amount of filler. And when you roll it into a ball you don't get even coverage. As I've mentioned before, I like to put ideas on the back burner (yet another "range" related saying), and the two ideas that were cooking were to find a firmer material and possible to cut or serrate the top of the straw in such a way to give it more "teeth" to grip the filler. I've had the filler pop out a few times when removing. I haven't had time to work on either idea. I didn't have time to work on this either, but as you know from experience, you can mod this sucker in about 60 seconds. The "teeth" part isn't needed anymore. If you cut the rectangle right you have to push it in and it expands to fill the space. Self-gripping.
Since you're dealing with a flatter surface it may reduce issues with the plug catching on the atomizer. One thing I did not like was when you put a cap on and it pulled the plug out! I had that happen a lot. Because it doesn't have any loose thread hanging over, this will probably help with this issue as well.
A 4 pack of Cerama Bryte pads should yield about 600 plugs, so it's pretty economical. No removing it from the sponge part, because there is none. And it's just as easy to use on an 801 as a 510. Oh, by the way, I just happened to grab a whistle tip instead of a round one and it worked fine on that. So, if you've got a 901 with the fatter whistle tip (not the D shaped ones with the skinny whistle) this mod works like a charm.
I'd shied away from this mod. But I'm using it right now. I forgot how much flavor it delivers, close to a JOYE306, so I'm back in business. I've got a bunch of new flavors (and carts with caps) coming in, so I think I'll be revisiting this mod.
--Prof Daffy
P.S. You're appliance manufacture recommends it.
I get so amazed that:
1. People wouldn't be concerned about health issues. Why not look for them, discuss them, research them? It's kind of stupid to blindly put your life in someone else's hands with absolutely no knowledge of their knowledge, capabilities, or credentials.
2. That anyone would breathe poisonous pesticide. Are your juices so low-grade that this is what you're smoking??
3. That someone would say we're breathing poisonous pesticide without quantifying it. Anything over-done is dangerous, even water. Nicotine as a pesticide is at 40% strength. We vape at 2-3%.
We're also inhaling a solvent, a humectant, and an anti-freeze. Does that have you concerned? It shouldn't, unless you over-do it. Propylene Glycol has had numerous inhalation tests performed and has been proven quite safe.
4. That one would even consider stating such things that get newbies both over-concerned about "pesticides" yet glosses over health concerns like inhaling polyurethane. So polyurethane doesn't burn at atomizer temperatures. Did you ever consider the fact that this stuff is sitting in a pool of solvent 24 hours a day???
OK, before people panic about that last one, I'm not concerned since PG solvent properties are not powerful to dissolve dried polyurethane.
But what do I know?? You have no idea. Perhaps you should research this last statement yourself. It's your life you're playing with. a2dcovert and I are playing with our own lives, and any recommendations that we make need to be judged by YOU.
5. "Using a PV is about 95% safer than cigarettes and they will save a lot of lives."
Could you explain this? Do you have any facts around this? Or are you just making this up and picking a number out of the air??
Unbelievable.
Off my soap-box now... I do not mean to get people over-concerned about any possible dangers here. I personally do not believe there are dangers or dangerous practices mentioned in this thread.
But I do think it's silly for someone to come along and make such remarks about people being concerned for their own safety and the safety of others. To actively voice such a thought is ridiculous.
If you think there's a safety concern, then mention it! Research, and get others to do so, too. It's your life.
I have no problem with people pointing out possible health concerns. I'd rather a little egg on my face over unnecessarily adding risks.
If vaping could be made "safe" rather than just "safer," wouldn't that be a great thing!
If vaping could be made "safe" rather than just "safer," wouldn't that be a great thing!
Excellent suggestion! So simple too! Thank you!
(Leave it to me to over complicate things... not to mention overlooking your insightful post.)
I guess I touched a nerve here.
All points have been asked and answered in many threads. I'm not going to defend the nic juice and components to someone who is supposed to be in my own camp. Nicotine by definition is a poison and is used as a persticide, luckily we don't injest enough to be kill us, and thankfully it has a very short half life.
Other potentially harmful components aren't given the same consideration when warnings are given. I think that probably if you injest polyurethane, or breath vapors of burning polyurethane you might be harmed that is not being done here. Is inhaling nicotine safe? No, but the risks outweigh the benefits of not smoking cigarettes. Many of the drugs that are deamed safe by the FDA kill people every day. Do we avoid these drugs? No because the benefits outweight the potential risks.
Our life is full of potentially harmful components if used in the wrong way, or in the wrong context. Lets not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Kevin
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Yeah, like scaring the crap out of newbies who don't know better, and by mocking someone who has a safety concern.
We do NOT vape pesticide poison. The nicotine content is not strong enough to be a pesticide. Sure, one of the component of e-juice is nicotine, which can be used as a pesticide in sufficient strength. But what you said is a bit of chicken little - like jumping up in a movie theater screaming about breathing a poisonous gas just because nitrogen is one component in air.
Don't make stuff up - like your 95% statement - that has no basis.
If someone has a safety concern, ignore or help them. Don't mock them.
In one short email, you managed to ignore information to make something into a safety concern when it isn't one, you made up information to cover a safety concern, and mocked someone who had a safety concern. You managed to make this thread, and this forum, an unnecessarily dangerous place. All in one paragraph.
You are talking out both sides of your mouth. I'm saying it's a safe product even though it has a bad label. You say I'm saying it's not, when I am saying it's safe.
Your saying that people should know about the dangers of polyurethane but not about the safety issues of nicotine. I say that is wrong. I mean all they have to do is read the labels on all properly labeled Nic juice.
I'm getting confused about your confusion.
I am very pro vaping. I have sense enough to know what is dangerous and what is not.
I think we are chasing our tails here. We're on the same page, just in different paragraphs.
Kevin
Your saying that people should know about the dangers of polyurethane but not about the safety issues of nicotine. I say that is wrong. I mean all they have to do is read the labels on all properly labeled Nic juice.
I'm getting confused about your confusion.
I am very pro vaping. I have sense enough to know what is dangerous and what is not.
I think we are chasing our tails here. We're on the same page, just in different paragraphs.
Kevin
No, I'm not.
You are exaggerating the dangers of nicotine by calling it a pesticide, yet we don't vape in strength reaching pesticide levels. I am saying that you're exaggerating dangers.
By mocking people who have safety concerns, I am saying that you're belittling safety concerns by mocking people who have such concerns.
And then, to top it off, you make stuff up - further confusing safety concerns and issues.
Clear enough now?
I am not, nor have I ever, dissuaded anyone about the safety issues of nicotine. I am dissuading YOU from EXAGGERATING about it. Don't put words in my mouth.
If you read everything in my post, I am not saying anything at all about any dangers of polyurethane. I said:
"Did you ever consider the fact that this stuff is sitting in a pool of solvent 24 hours a day???"
And then the next sentence:
"OK, before people panic about that last one, I'm not concerned since PG solvent properties are not powerful to dissolve dried polyurethane."
Don't take my words out of context, nor put words in my mouth.
And yes, I do think we're on the same page. Except I am reading it with honesty and completeness, whereas you read it with lies, exaggeration, and falsehoods.
Now when you say that you "have sense enough to know what is dangerous and what is not" then why not share this with newbies. Explain your reasoning both for and against. And stick to facts.
You are exaggerating the dangers of nicotine by calling it a pesticide, yet we don't vape in strength reaching pesticide levels. I am saying that you're exaggerating dangers.
By mocking people who have safety concerns, I am saying that you're belittling safety concerns by mocking people who have such concerns.
And then, to top it off, you make stuff up - further confusing safety concerns and issues.
Clear enough now?
I am not, nor have I ever, dissuaded anyone about the safety issues of nicotine. I am dissuading YOU from EXAGGERATING about it. Don't put words in my mouth.
If you read everything in my post, I am not saying anything at all about any dangers of polyurethane. I said:
"Did you ever consider the fact that this stuff is sitting in a pool of solvent 24 hours a day???"
And then the next sentence:
"OK, before people panic about that last one, I'm not concerned since PG solvent properties are not powerful to dissolve dried polyurethane."
Don't take my words out of context, nor put words in my mouth.
And yes, I do think we're on the same page. Except I am reading it with honesty and completeness, whereas you read it with lies, exaggeration, and falsehoods.
Now when you say that you "have sense enough to know what is dangerous and what is not" then why not share this with newbies. Explain your reasoning both for and against. And stick to facts.
On a positive note - day 6 and this plug is going strong.
I did switch to a thinner liquid and it's gurgling occasionally - usually when I leave it LED side down between vapes. So, it's definitely a necessity to adjust the filler to the viscosity of the liquid one is using!
I did switch to a thinner liquid and it's gurgling occasionally - usually when I leave it LED side down between vapes. So, it's definitely a necessity to adjust the filler to the viscosity of the liquid one is using!
We really don't need to go any further. I just want you to know that I was not saying ANYTHING false. Everything I said about nic is true, look it up. It is and has been for a long time used as a pesticide. There's no false statement. Tobacco plants have a very good protection from insects. It is used right now in organic gardening because it is a natural product.
We do not get anywhere close to the danger level in our use of it. I am concerned that is available in strengths much higher than before. In fact I just bought some unflavored 60mg VG juice and there are talks of much higher comming soon. I use latex gloves when I work with high level nic juice just to be safe.
I'm sorry if we got off on a tare about this but our pet peives met head on. I meant no harm or malace against you.
Kevin
We do not get anywhere close to the danger level in our use of it. I am concerned that is available in strengths much higher than before. In fact I just bought some unflavored 60mg VG juice and there are talks of much higher comming soon. I use latex gloves when I work with high level nic juice just to be safe.
I'm sorry if we got off on a tare about this but our pet peives met head on. I meant no harm or malace against you.
Kevin
6 days, that's good. I have the Walgreens product now and will be working on the mod using it. I will be testing it with my custom juice which is thicker than straight PG.
If you are using a 510 you should clear the liquid out of both of the mouth piece baffels just to be sure the tests are acurate as far as liquid passing the atty.
Kevin
Same here. I just get irritated by people squelching others who have a safety concern, unfounded or not. This is VERY new stuff, and we just don't know. Even though we're very afraid of the FDA banning this stuff, I wish someone was protecting us against all these unknowns. Yes, analogs are bad, but we have no idea if something in our e-juice is even more dangerous. So talking it out and researching is the best we can do, and the more people we have doing that the better.
Peace.
Kristin, what are you using to cut the PB pad into the small pieces? The pad is very thick and hard to cut straight and square. I am trying 2 right now as a test. It seems like the dimensions are a little light for thin juice. I have one of the 2 cut 1mm bigger on all 3 sides, 5x6x9. The tests are on.
Kevin
Kevin
Hi Kristin,
I have gotten good flow just using BP. The key is how much compression there is. For my thicker juice I make the full length plug the same size as the cart cavity with little compression. It wicks great. Matter of fact I thought I was using one with a straw today. When it ran dry I went to pull the plug and to my surprise the filler kept coming out. Low and behold it was a full plug. I checked it and it was dry except at the very end at the atty. Im still mixed but I like both. Try running one with loser fit and see what you think. Id be interested in your thoughts. Im starting to think I have a magic cart.
Hi Kristin,
I have gotten good flow just using BP. The key is how much compression there is. For my thicker juice I make the full length plug the same size as the cart cavity with little compression. It wicks great. Matter of fact I thought I was using one with a straw today. When it ran dry I went to pull the plug and to my surprise the filler kept coming out. Low and behold it was a full plug. I checked it and it was dry except at the very end at the atty. Im still mixed but I like both. Try running one with loser fit and see what you think. Id be interested in your thoughts. Im starting to think I have a magic cart.
I'm also trying the PB plug with and without the straws. But my plug is the normal plug not a full cart. So far I'm only having problems with the prodigy at 5 volts. It's a fine balance between running lean and leaking. I know I can make work though. This is only day 1.
Kevin
OK, mid-day I have put the straw back into the cart I was trying with out one. The 5x6x9 plug still doesn't have enough regidity to remain in place with out it.
My theory on the design of the plug is for the plug to rest even with the top of the cart lip and flex inward with pressure from the bridge. When the cart is removed the plug should return to it's original shape. Is this correct?
I'm spending time on experimenting with the Prodigy at 5 volts. The Protege at 3.7 volts is very easy to make with the RSP. The Prodigy burns through more juice because of the higher voltage. I have cut the straw down so that the top of the straw is even with the bulges on the air chamber ridges. This allows for a slightly larger piece of plug material with the same density as the smaller plug. The atty bridge pushes the plug down and adds some compression to the plug. We'll see how this works for a while.
The nic juice I am using has more viscosity than pure PG and less than pure VG.
Kevin
PS: With the smaller plug I was running into issues of the plug sticking to the bridge and being pulled out when the cart was removed. Also it should be noted that the Prodigy has always had wicking problems with the stick carts. So this issue I am trying to fix is not a result of the cart mod but hopefully will be fixed by the mod.
My theory on the design of the plug is for the plug to rest even with the top of the cart lip and flex inward with pressure from the bridge. When the cart is removed the plug should return to it's original shape. Is this correct?
I'm spending time on experimenting with the Prodigy at 5 volts. The Protege at 3.7 volts is very easy to make with the RSP. The Prodigy burns through more juice because of the higher voltage. I have cut the straw down so that the top of the straw is even with the bulges on the air chamber ridges. This allows for a slightly larger piece of plug material with the same density as the smaller plug. The atty bridge pushes the plug down and adds some compression to the plug. We'll see how this works for a while.
The nic juice I am using has more viscosity than pure PG and less than pure VG.
Kevin
PS: With the smaller plug I was running into issues of the plug sticking to the bridge and being pulled out when the cart was removed. Also it should be noted that the Prodigy has always had wicking problems with the stick carts. So this issue I am trying to fix is not a result of the cart mod but hopefully will be fixed by the mod.
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