Shaking the tree - terminology...

[danca90]

Of course not. flowerpots is the only one who's added anything of value.

You clearly didn't see the picture of the giraffes.

 

[EvilZoe]

Honestly, I don't think it wise to come post something like that without actually getting an actual "feel" for a place first and seeing if it's already being discussed. I mean, the LAST discussion on almost any of this is on the last 3 pages of this very forum.

And yes, TONE of a post MATTERS. People WILL react to that tone.

We're only humans here.

 

[vaperature]

Umm....Did you not see the awesome giraffe pic !

Seriously though man the terms are what they are .

Would simpler be nice ? Yeah maybe but wheres the fun in that.

OK I need to suck my potent parasympathomimetic alkaloid filled suck stick.

 

[Iffy]

If you think the terms are crazy wait till you have to learn the secret handshakes too

Wouldn't dat be vapeshakes? Oh wait... we already have dat in da DIY genre. Never mind, my bad...

 

[Mike.S]

re: cartos, attos, etc.

Well, no...they're NOT all the same. They're all different and we use the different terms to distinguish one from another. You'll figure it out after you've been here a while.

But they are all the same, in the beginning. As I clearly said, the difference comes later. There are people who prefer each of those - so why presume that any individual will prefer one over another when they start, or expect them to understand the difference from day 1? People have to understand the concepts before they can get into the details of the execution.

Let's just call it "Melvin".

repetitive snark

BTW, you get credit for 1/2 a cogent response.

 

[riseabovethestorm]

Wouldn't dat be vapeshakes? Oh wait... we already have dat in da DIY genre. Never mind, my bad...

Don't use the word "vape". It makes Mike.S wet himself.

 

[vaperature]

Wouldn't dat be vapeshakes? Oh wait... we already have dat in da DIY genre. Never mind, my bad...

I would like a bottle of wine.

OK, what type of wine would you like.

It's all just WINE!!! Give me WINE!!!

 

[vaperature]

Don't use the word "vape". It makes Mike.S wet himself.

I know this is off topic but the other day I got a little zit on my chin. Do you think it's from vaping?

 

[Vash]

Wouldn't dat be vapeshakes? Oh wait... we already have dat in da DIY genre. Never mind, my bad...

E-Shakes? Wait thats what I get from to much nic.....Now Im confused

 

[danca90]

I would like a bottle of wine.

OK, what type of wine would you like.

It's all just WINE!!! Give me WINE!!!

White port. Shaken with gin, and olive brine. Thanks!

 

[EvilZoe]

re: cartos, attos, etc.
But they are all the same, in the beginning. As I clearly said, the difference comes later. There are people who prefer each of those - so why presume that any individual will prefer one over another when they start, or expect them to understand the difference from day 1? People have to understand the concepts before they can get into the details of the execution.

repetitive snark

BTW, you get credit for 1/2 a cogent response.

Once you've been here awhile you'll understand how impossible it is to change that term in particular and you'll get the joke. It wasn't snark, per se, - and definitely not directed at YOU - but rather a long-running bit of humor on this site.


Also, we use the terminology because that is what WE use to differentiate. To other people who aren't vaping many of us just say delivery device or tank or some such term.

 

[vaperature]

E-Shakes? Wait thats what I get from to much nic.....Now Im confused

I thought an e-shake was ice cream, milk and nicotine.

 

[EvilZoe]

I thought an e-shake was ice cream, milk and nicotine.

I'm sure it's a juice flavor.

 

[vaperature]

White port. Shaken with gin, and olive brine. Thanks!

Hmm, not stirred?? Are you a secret agent?

 

[CrimsonJack]

re: cartos, attos, etc.
But they are all the same, in the beginning. As I clearly said, the difference comes later. There are people who prefer each of those - so why presume that any individual will prefer one over another when they start, or expect them to understand the difference from day 1? People have to understand the concepts before they can get into the details of the execution.

repetitive snark

BTW, you get credit for 1/2 a cogent response.

We use lingo, nicknames, etc., because we are not robots or technicians (or snotty trolls who think having a vocabulary makes them sound more reasonable), we are ordinary people who think saying things like "juice" sounds more natural than saying "electronic cigarette nicotine liquid" every time we are discussing our flavors!

 

[riseabovethestorm]

I'm sure it's a juice flavor.

^^ Do want.

 

[blondeambition3]

"Vaping." OK, I understand the desire to differentiate from smoking tobacco, I really do. But please understand that "vaping" is likely to convey (illegal) drug connotations to the general public, right or wrong. I can't pretend to have come up with something better, but "smoking alternative" or "vapor smoking" is probably better received, whether it looks like a cigarette or not.

How about we call it "not smoking and not in a mad rush to die"?

"Analogs." Just call them cigarettes, which is what everyone else does. If you want to make people think they're not part of the club, calling them analogs is a good start.

We could call them cancer sticks!

"Cartos." "Attos." "Clearos." "Glassos." etc. They're all atomizers/vaporizers (pick a term). I get the whole custom/differentiation thing, but lose the cuteness and use one all encompassing term to refer to this part. Groucho, Harpo, Chico, and Zeppo are OK.

Well, no...they're NOT all the same. They're all different and we use the different terms to distinguish one from another. You'll figure it out after you've been here a while.

"e-juice," "e-liquid." It's not the juice of anything. It's not electronic ("e") in any way. It's a liquid, just call it that. Or maybe "e-cigarette liquid."

Let's just call it "Melvin".

... does "mod' mean? Perhaps it at one time meant modified. But, if you can buy a "mod" off the shelf, it's not modified, is it? Just call it a battery. Maybe it's fancy. It doesn't matter, it's a battery (holder).

You need something better to do with your time than overanalyze this...lol

VV/VW. VV is really CV - sure, you control (vary) it, but you're telling it to deliver a Constant Voltage. VW is the same only different, it's actually Constant Wattage. Plain batteries with no electronics provide VV/VW - the Voltage/Wattage varies as you drain the battery. And that terminology come from a long history of professional, lab grade, voltage sources/power supplies, don't try to change it. But it is, first and foremost, a battery.

What flowerpots said.

Having said all that (and I'm sure I could think of more), I don't expect to change the industry. But many here seem to want to encourage this to go mainstream faster than it already is. The whole terminology thing makes that hard, and presents a barrier to entry - fundamentally there are only three things involved - a power source (call it a battery), a liquid, and a vaporizer. Don't make it harder than it is, that comes later. If you try to get someone into it, tell them to get a battery (and charger), a vaporizer which fits it, and a liquid which tastes good to them - the detail comes later.

Seriously, you're too concerned about this stuff. The fact is that vaping is NOT quite as simple as you want it to be and it's been around longer than your foray into the activity. The more people are out there doing it - and using the terminology - the more others will understand. Those who aren't vaping don't need to know half this stuff, anyway, like what a mod is or what type of delivery device one uses. They likely won't even CARE because it will be irrelevant to them.


Or, don't. But expect that big tobacco will make it easy to understand/buy/use, and that's where the market will go. This industry is its own worst enemy.

Big Tobacco is also fighting Big Pharm. Chances are, Big Pharm and the government will win, regardless of what words we use. If you're so concerned about it you can visit the CASAA.org site, learn more about it and the fight to keep it available for us, and work on REALLY making a difference other than just lecturing people on this message board and just looking like a pissy n00b without a clue.

Now, get off my lawn.

I'll bet you shake your fists at clouds, too....lol

Honestly Mike, you can't argue with this (and Flowerpot's) articulate posts.

I know you probably think a lot of the posters on this thread are being a little touchy or over reacting, but I assure you, we're just a passionate community that LOVES to educate the 'willing' and are just a tad stand-offish to what is perceived as 'critical'.

We get LOTS of Trolls and flack from tons of sources, and we're all Nicotine dependent, so, please... take all of the 'excellent' information you've gleaned from these wonderfully articulated and legitimate rebuttals to your original post for what they're worth and 'play nice' with everyone on the Forum. K?

... and that 'now get off my lawn!' was rather inflammatory as it's you that is on 'our' lawn... YKWIM?

... jus' sayin'... inturbulating people's thetas has it's consequences. = KARMA

 

[riseabovethestorm]

I know you probably think a lot of the posters on this thread are over being a little touchy or over reacting, but I assure you, we're just a passionate community that LOVES to educate the 'willing' and are just a tad stand-offish to what is perceived as 'critical'.

I'm just kind of an ... that can't stand his own kind.

... and that 'now get off my lawn!' was rather inflammatory as it's you that is on 'our' lawn... YKWIM?

I'm as new as he is, but at least my semi-trolling is kinda humorous.

 

[EvilZoe]

Honestly Mike, you can't argue with this (and Flowerpot's) articulate posts.

I know you probably think a lot of the posters on this thread are over being a little touchy or over reacting, but I assure you, we're just a passionate community that LOVES to educate the 'willing' and are just a tad stand-offish to what is perceived as 'critical'.

We get LOTS of Trolls and flack from tons of sources, and we're all Nicotine dependent, so, please... take all of the 'excellent' information you've gleaned from these wonderfully articulated and legitimate rebuttals to your original post for what they're worth and 'play nice' with everyone on the Forum. K?

... and that 'now get off my lawn!' was rather inflammatory as it's you that is on 'our' lawn... YKWIM?

Mine wasn't nearly as good as flowerpot's. LOL


I didn't mind the "Get off my lawn", either.

 

[vaperature]

I say from now on we use Morse Code.