I voted no change. I would not have stumbled upon this new obsession any other way! Maybe I am wrong, but idea was conceived by the need for an alternative to smoking or more accurately a way to quit a contagious harmful habit. I looked up personal vaporizer on ebay and found something called the "I inhaler" (something like that, kind of looks like the new Jantystick) you stuff it with tobacco, or herb and butane (suspect that herb is most common) if I read it right, it doesn't actually burn like a cigarette. Anyway I don't think it is a good idea to connect e-cigs with anything that can associated or conceived to be a device with illegal connotations.
Can we come to a conclusion on a name?
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I realize this is an ancient thread, but I've come up with my own term. My husband and I are both planning to buy them, and so we've been discussing it a lot. We've started calling them 'nicotizers.' Sounds funny, but no less odd than e-cig or personal vapourizer. It's sums up the usage fairly well for us - it's a nicotine solution vapourizer. Rolls off the tongue a bit better than some of the other terms.
Also, I have asthma. An 'inhaler' or 'puffer' are what I take when my lungs are closing up on me. To call a smoking simulator that just wouldn't work for me.
Also, I have asthma. An 'inhaler' or 'puffer' are what I take when my lungs are closing up on me. To call a smoking simulator that just wouldn't work for me.
I think Personal Vaporiser/Vaporizer is the way to go.
To me, it describes the product reasonably well which is always a plus. And far from necessarily sounding 'dodgy', I would think there are a good many people that don't associate 'vaporiser' with anything other than something vaguely to do with steam or health.
It would also seem a pity to change Personal Vaporiser for another name unless there is a good reason as a) it's already second only to electronic cigarette on the poll, and b) some headway has already been made using it alongside electronic cigarette - largely thanks to the work of the folk on RTV amongst others.
I also noticed a post on RTV with a link to an e-cig called the Personal Inhaler, so it's not just us that are beginning to associate PV with e-cigs
Many people here now refer to it as a PV and it's appearing on other sites too. There are 2 very popular suppliers that are already leading the way by using the two names side by side. I'm sure others will follow suit, with some gentle persuasion if it's needed.
And if we further increase the use of PV in conjunction with the established names for e-cigarettes, Google rankings and public awareness will soon will rise.
To me, it describes the product reasonably well which is always a plus. And far from necessarily sounding 'dodgy', I would think there are a good many people that don't associate 'vaporiser' with anything other than something vaguely to do with steam or health.
It would also seem a pity to change Personal Vaporiser for another name unless there is a good reason as a) it's already second only to electronic cigarette on the poll, and b) some headway has already been made using it alongside electronic cigarette - largely thanks to the work of the folk on RTV amongst others.
I also noticed a post on RTV with a link to an e-cig called the Personal Inhaler, so it's not just us that are beginning to associate PV with e-cigs
Many people here now refer to it as a PV and it's appearing on other sites too. There are 2 very popular suppliers that are already leading the way by using the two names side by side. I'm sure others will follow suit, with some gentle persuasion if it's needed.
And if we further increase the use of PV in conjunction with the established names for e-cigarettes, Google rankings and public awareness will soon will rise.
Oh, and I wanted to ask re the poll, are we supposed to vote on more than one name? Some of the terms describe a device and some the action of using it.
For instance, I would be vaping whilst using my Personal Vaporizer. I don't want to screw up your poll by voting twice if I shouldn't.
For instance, I would be vaping whilst using my Personal Vaporizer. I don't want to screw up your poll by voting twice if I shouldn't.
Nicotizer does sound good Kay
But what about the people using e-liquid without nicotine (as I am sure a lot would, eventualy, want to end up with; and some allready have managed)?
Plus I'm a bit afraid that nicotine will be the next thing the anti's have on their list just a very short way behind tobacco (allready seeing that in fact). I do like the sound of nicotizer though, wish it didn't have these issues going with it.
But what about the people using e-liquid without nicotine (as I am sure a lot would, eventualy, want to end up with; and some allready have managed)?
Plus I'm a bit afraid that nicotine will be the next thing the anti's have on their list just a very short way behind tobacco (allready seeing that in fact). I do like the sound of nicotizer though, wish it didn't have these issues going with it.
OK... So here's my 2 cents as a business owner. While I think it's great to want to change the name of an electronic cigarette to something with a more positive connotation like personal vaporizer, from a business standpoint, it will significantly hurt suppliers for two reasons.
1. Many people who either use or are thinking of using these products refer to them as "Electronic Cigarettes" and it is those keywords or variations (e-cigs, e-cigarettes, etc.) that they search on to find "Electronic Cigarette" suppliers. If our entire customer base were people from the forum, it would not be an issue and the change would make sense, but this is not the case. There is a lot more to it, but I won't bore you with geek talk on how search engines work...
2. If we change the name to "Personal Vaporizer", I think we send an invitation to the FDA to step in as the name has a medical connotation to it. As a supplier, I do not want the FDA involved with this market/product at all, so I do not want to bring unnecessary attention to us by calling it something that very well could potentially do this.
Let's not rock the boat on this one guys... As a very wise person once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Just my 2 cents cause I would really like to stay in business, and I'm sure all of you would like to continue using "Electronic Cigarettes" instead of having to go back to traditional ones. Let's please keep flying under the FDA radar.
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v2x
1. Many people who either use or are thinking of using these products refer to them as "Electronic Cigarettes" and it is those keywords or variations (e-cigs, e-cigarettes, etc.) that they search on to find "Electronic Cigarette" suppliers. If our entire customer base were people from the forum, it would not be an issue and the change would make sense, but this is not the case. There is a lot more to it, but I won't bore you with geek talk on how search engines work...
2. If we change the name to "Personal Vaporizer", I think we send an invitation to the FDA to step in as the name has a medical connotation to it. As a supplier, I do not want the FDA involved with this market/product at all, so I do not want to bring unnecessary attention to us by calling it something that very well could potentially do this.
Let's not rock the boat on this one guys... As a very wise person once said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Just my 2 cents cause I would really like to stay in business, and I'm sure all of you would like to continue using "Electronic Cigarettes" instead of having to go back to traditional ones. Let's please keep flying under the FDA radar.
Much Love,
v2x
vaporizer definition | Dictionary.com
va⋅por⋅iz⋅er
/ˈveɪpəˌraɪzər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [vey-puh-rahy-zer] Show IPA
noun
1. a person or thing that vaporizes.
2. a device for turning liquid into vapor, as an atomizer, esp. one that converts a medicinal substance into a vapor that is inhaled for respiratory relief.
va⋅por⋅iz⋅er
/ˈveɪpəˌraɪzər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [vey-puh-rahy-zer] Show IPA
noun
1. a person or thing that vaporizes.
2. a device for turning liquid into vapor, as an atomizer, esp. one that converts a medicinal substance into a vapor that is inhaled for respiratory relief.
Personal Vapoizer is nice. Gets rid of the negative connotation. The word "cigarette" just throws up a flag. It plays in to preconceived notions.
My question about the supplier's concerns is this:
Which means more to you, people easily finding you on a search engine right now, or the FDA banning you from your business because your "E-Cigs" are considered a "Drug/Device Combination", and therefore under the control of the FDA?
Regardless of what Webster's Dictionary defines a vaporizer as, it will only be what you market it to be. Separate the liquid from the device. That is the main reason why we have this FDA issue. Include blank carts with your kits, not prefilled ones. As far as included directions for use in your starter kits, get rid of them. The less you say about the product, the less that can be held against it. If people want the product, they will figure out what they need to know quick. Just my opinion. No offense was intended.
Which means more to you, people easily finding you on a search engine right now, or the FDA banning you from your business because your "E-Cigs" are considered a "Drug/Device Combination", and therefore under the control of the FDA?
Regardless of what Webster's Dictionary defines a vaporizer as, it will only be what you market it to be. Separate the liquid from the device. That is the main reason why we have this FDA issue. Include blank carts with your kits, not prefilled ones. As far as included directions for use in your starter kits, get rid of them. The less you say about the product, the less that can be held against it. If people want the product, they will figure out what they need to know quick. Just my opinion. No offense was intended.
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Definitely a reasonable argument and a good one at that.
The same can hold true for an "Electronic Cigarette" It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its a delivery device just like a vaporizer. Luckily, a vaporizer can deliver liquid (without medicinal purposes) like a water pipe can smoke more than just tobacco
I will go one step further and say, anything marketed as a "Cigarette" or "E-Cigarette" will get even more scrutiny by the FDA wanting them to make sure it is "indeed" a tobacco product NOT regulated by them. There are pluses and minuses to both sides of the debate ... its just a matter of time before we see how it plays out Its been broke for a long time bud. All it takes is 1 child death, 1 accidental OD from liquid, or product ending up in the wrong hands to be Insta-banned ....
Haha ... Appreciate your $.02 cents v2x ... If you want to *fly* below the radar, why not classify your imports as "Electronic Cigarettes" and see how far it gets ya
The latter ... I have zero issues abiding by FDA reg's and registering as a supplier of drug delivery devices. Whether they want to classify the ecig as such is up to them, however, as you stated in the post below, the 2 (the application/device and the "product" being used) can be seperated and 1 sold without the other. Who knows ... Bickford Flavors may soon be available on our site, along with a link to a host of DIY recipes
I will continue editing PS and switching everything over to PV. Whether business does well, or drops, only time will tell.
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Definitely a reasonable argument and a good one at that.
The same can hold true for an "Electronic Cigarette" It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its a delivery device just like a vaporizer. Luckily, a vaporizer can deliver liquid (without medicinal purposes) like a water pipe can smoke more than just tobacco
Its been broke for a long time bud. All it takes is 1 child death, 1 accidental OD from liquid, or product ending up in the wrong hands to be Insta-banned ....
Haha ... Appreciate your $.02 cents v2x ... If you want to *fly* below the radar, why not classify your imports as "Electronic Cigarettes" and see how far it gets ya
The latter ... I have zero issues abiding by FDA reg's and registering as a supplier of drug delivery devices. Whether they want to classify the ecig as such is up to them, however, as you stated in the post below, the 2 (the application/device and the "product" being used can be seperated and 1 sold without the other. Who knows ... Bickford Flavors may soon be available on our site, along with a link to a host of DIY recipes
I will continue editing PS and switching everything over to PV. Whether business does well, or drops, only time will tell.
Dude, you rock! That is all I have left to say tonight.
Your business will be well Cash, because it is very good managed by very smart people, you have a solid costum base, your products are very good and your costumer service is excellent, you can call them whit whatever name you think is more apropiated for the future of the product and A LOT of people will keep buying from you and they will keep recommending your site to everybody.
I can't understand how the majority so far that have voted still think that calling them e-cigarettes is a good idea with whats going on with the FDA and goverments with the crack down on the e-cig in many countries now, like Mexico and Australia and what ever other countries have now banned or are looking to ban it ....The word *E-cigarette* is the word that is in contention, the FDA frowns on that particular word in the name ..And also the nicotine levels that are in the liquid and the health ramifications that are a consequence of it, but don’t kid yourself the FDA and governments are just looking for an excuse to ban are E-cig’s.............oh well maybe i am just missing something here ......I still say its all about the taxes, all our governments are steaily losing money on there tabacco revenue as this e-smoking phenomenon grows…….So prepare yourself's to pay a BIG! tax on our personal vaporizers very soon!......
I voted *Personal vaporizer*
I voted *Personal vaporizer*
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In the end, it doesn't really matter to me what it is called, just as long as it is still available for me to purchase (beyond an uncertain future). It's continued availablity means everything to me.
Well all of us are going to have to fight really hard to keep it that way trib......And unfortunately i see a big knock down drag out fight a comin ......sorry to be a downer 
i am just worried because i am unable to buy any personal vaporizers here in oZ and if it is also banned in the States or Europe
....Game over! 8-o
i am just worried because i am unable to buy any personal vaporizers here in oZ and if it is also banned in the States or Europe....Game over! 8-o
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