should a non smoker vape?

[happiness]

Probably not, but if you can keep it under control, it should be fine.

I was never a very heavy smoker. Maybe a cigarette or two every day. I smoked more on the weekends and around friends. I vape so I don't smell. It is nice to have something to do while your friends are smoking.

It definitely wouldn't be worth starting if you don't have a reason to be around people who smoke or you don't smoke already.

 

[Zedoctor]

i agree, don't do it.

if you do have the urge to smoke, deffinatly maybe smoke low or 0 nic.
but if you can avoid it, just stay away.

relax with a beer, or a nice book.

glass of red wine? 2 glasses of red wine a week is good for you..

 

[PCoraJr]

Yes, my response was harsh, and so be it.

A grown person has the right to make an informed decision, but to look to people who are struggling with the analog addiction for support?

So you mean that non smokers should not come here asking for help deciding if vaping or smoking is ok? I find that stupid considering that any support group AAA and other rehabs are welcoming of non drinkers. If you can prevent people from starting smoking of vaping then thats is a good thing.

That's just plain ol' narcissistic. If you are going to vape, then by your logic, feel free. Just don't post here looking for permission.

Asking for permission and asking for an opinion are 2 different things.

By no means am I, who has my own issues, going to tell someone it's ok to vape when they don't smoke...even if it's zero nic. Find another trendy hobby to look good doing.

We all have our own issues here. I wish I had a smoker near me when I decided to start smoking, I wish I had that option, that somebody who has been a smoke for 20 + year would of been there to tell me do not do it.

My answer to the Op, No DO NOT start. Vaping can be a very good way of quitting smoking but it can also have the reverse effect of driving people into smoking.

My Reply in Blue. or what ever that color is.

 

[CES]

Somehow I doubt that vaping will be much of a gateway to smoking. Part of what makes it work is that it tastes and smells so much better than smoking. No, the long term effects of vaping aren't known, but adults vaping should be a matter of free choice. The fact that legislators are trying to limit choices is what annoys me- so my two cents is that adults get to choose. I would recommend doing a lot of research, so that it's an informed choice.

BTW, there's a chocolate vaporizer in development, which isn't particularly likely to be subject to a ban, even if chocolate does activate cannabinoid receptors.

 

[Kimmy]

I was never a very heavy smoker. Maybe a cigarette or two every day. I smoked more on the weekends and around friends. I vape so I don't smell. It is nice to have something to do while your friends are smoking.

What is this high school? So we should advise people to vape just to have something to do while their friends are smoking? What if everyone thought that way?

Picking up vaping when you are NOT addicted to nicotine is just plain dumb. Electronic cigarettes are not toys. They are for people who couldn't quit smoking or are looking for for a safer alternative. Cmon people, lets use some common sense.

 

[awasasi]

My opinion is a definitive no. If you're not yet addicted to nicotine, why start? And if you like the various vaping flavors, it's much cheaper to splurge on some fancy candies.

 

[JoJoBaby]

Absolutely no.

 

[Fedor]

A big NO imo from me too.

 

[KuiHiggins]

If you don't already have a chemical or hand-to-mouth addiction then I would suggest that you don't pick up vaping.

 

[XxJESTERxX]

Even if your vaping 0mg its bad..the lungs don't want water vapor, they want oxygen. This is the reason vaping is looked down upon and may be potentially banned, people get a false sense of safety with ecigs, and they shouldn't! We don't know the effects!

If you only smoke socially and once in awhile, my advice is to keep it that way.

Also if you start vaping all the time you will acquire that psychologically addicting oral fixation aspect, and if heaven forbid ecigs are banned, how are you going to fulfill it?

Great point Kimmy. I think we could guess where this habit would lead if ecigs get banned. The same place the rest of us would go to get our fixation. Some might succeed in not returning to analogs but unfortunately most would end up going back IMHO.

Look at all of us. Did we start ecigs because of pleasure? We did it to get away from a killer and we didn't have the strength to just stop analogs. It's a vicious circle we are all trying to escape so why recommend it to anyone?

Ultimately the choice is a personal one and I think in America we should all be able to choose for ourselves but sorry; I'm not recommending vaping or smoking to anybody.

 

[kappa1uk]

the relaxing calming effect of nicotine is what got us all hooked in the first place. Learn to meditate instead. Or take windy walks in the woods. Anything but get yourself addicted to old Nick-O-Tine. Remember what super man had to go thru in the eighties to stop kids from picking up the habit. Use your age and wisdom and make the right choice.

Also want to brush over the some peoples comments on the fact that smoking/vaping is COOL. Loads of comments mention that vaping is a cool thing.

Skydiving is cool. Sunglasses are cool. Snowboarding is cool.

Being hooked on nicotine in any form is so far from being cool, and shame on ANYONE that vapes cause its cool.

Think i will start a new thread on the subject.

 

[underwater goddess]

Phantom Night,

I know how you feel, I too joined this forum as a non-smoker looking to start vaping. (I eventually decided that it wasn't for me.)

You said "I like it alot and really enjoy it". What is it you like about it? The flavor? The act of blowing clouds? The nicotine buzz? If we understand your motives, we can more easily find an alternative that suits you.

But if you do decide to damage your body by starting up a vaping habit, I won't judge. Its your body, your right to choose. (The same cannot be said for smoking cigarettes because the second-hand smoke hurts everyone else too.)

 

[Rosa]

I'd be interested to see this supposed link between PG and kidney disease...because I think that's a bunk statement..and everything I've seen from reliable sources suggests otherwise... and off the get go I don't consider an MSDS for industrial PG a reliable source since most people don't know how to read them..

this is why I said the link to kidney ailments was vague: Propylene glycol-associated renal toxicity from lo... [Pharmacotherapy. 2003] - PubMed result
It's worth it to me because I personally don't believe its dangerous, I'm just saying it's a bad idea to use the e-cig just for kicks when we don't know enough about it yet (other than it's better than smoking)

 

[Rosa]

or this: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461406_3
or this: Propylene Glycol Toxicity: A Severe Iatrogenic Illness in ICU Patients Receiving IV Benzodiazepines* ? CHEST

45% of propylene glycol is naturally excreted by the body, but 55% is absorbed by the kidneys. The amount absorbed by the kidneys will eventually dissipate, but over time. Please correct me if I'm way out of line (no, really, I do want to be better informed so that my comments aren't misleading) but doesn't that mean that if we vape day in and day out (as I do) that the propylene glycol never entirely leaves our kidneys?

 

[Drozd]

this is why I said the link to kidney ailments was vague: Propylene glycol-associated renal toxicity from lo... [Pharmacotherapy. 2003] - PubMed result
It's worth it to me because I personally don't believe its dangerous, I'm just saying it's a bad idea to use the e-cig just for kicks when we don't know enough about it yet (other than it's better than smoking)

Yeah I read that as completely vague....as in no basis at all...expecially when coupled with this:
Lack of Renal Effects

Propylene glycol has not been associated with nephrotoxicity caused by calcium oxalate in humans. Unlike ethylene glycol, propylene glycol is not metabolized to oxalic acid, so calcium oxalate is not deposited in the kidneys (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry 1997).


as taken from: Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol Toxicity: What is Propylene Glycol | ATSDR - Environmental Medicine & Environmental Health Education - CSEM

 

[Drozd]

or this: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461406_3
or this: Propylene Glycol Toxicity: A Severe Iatrogenic Illness in ICU Patients Receiving IV Benzodiazepines* ? CHEST

45% of propylene glycol is naturally excreted by the body, but 55% is absorbed by the kidneys. The amount absorbed by the kidneys will eventually dissipate, but over time. Please correct me if I'm way out of line (no, really, I do want to be better informed so that my comments aren't misleading) but doesn't that mean that if we vape day in and day out (as I do) that the propylene glycol never entirely leaves our kidneys?

again that's intravenous PG which is totally different than what we're using...
If consumed PG is normally broken down to lactic acid in the liver...

Propylene glycol is metabolized in the liver by alcohol dehydrogenase to

• lactic acid, and then
• pyruvic acid

Both of these metabolites are normal constituents of the citric acid cycle and are further metabolized to

• carbon dioxide and
• water

About 45% of an absorbed propylene glycol dose is excreted by the kidneys unchanged or as the glucuronide conjugate.
Half-Life

The elimination half-life of propylene glycol is about 4 hours.

so it leaves the body in about 4 hours...and there's no way we could even vape nearly the amount that's considered a daily safe intake of 23g/kg... given that the weight is nearly the same as water that'd be vaping 23ml per kg of your body weight

 

[Devilooman]

Well I must admit that I have considered getting a kit for my mom who has never smoked but has Parkinsons. However, we really don't know the long term effects of it. I would say that even if you start you probably won't continue to vape. It can be quite expensive finding the right pv for you and the right flavor. It gets messy and sometimes it's a pita to refill carts and order stuff and charge the batteries and WHERE IS MY BATTERY! Anyway... sometimes it's hard on me to keep up with vaping but I deal with it cause I hate smoking and don't want to go back. My views as a noob, LOL

 

[Crackee]

I wouldn't if I were you.

 

[bornagainst]

While I've no problem with Liberal thinking and ideas, offering "support" to those simply considering vaping for reasons other than quitting analogs is silly, and downright irresponsible. It's blood on our hands if we contribute to the onset of someones addiction.

There is information and support all over cyberspace for whatever issue it is you may be facing.

 

[Rosa]

again that's intravenous PG which is totally different than what we're using...
If consumed PG is normally broken down to lactic acid in the liver...

Propylene glycol is metabolized in the liver by alcohol dehydrogenase to

• lactic acid, and then
• pyruvic acid

Both of these metabolites are normal constituents of the citric acid cycle and are further metabolized to

• carbon dioxide and
• water

About 45% of an absorbed propylene glycol dose is excreted by the kidneys unchanged or as the glucuronide conjugate.
Half-Life

The elimination half-life of propylene glycol is about 4 hours.

so it leaves the body in about 4 hours...and there's no way we could even vape nearly the amount that's considered a daily safe intake of 23g/kg... given that the weight is nearly the same as water that'd be vaping 23ml per kg of your body weight

o.k. I almost (sort of) understand that..Thanks for the proper info. I suppose my new stance on this would be: any time you plan to put a lit cigarette to your lips replace it with a PV (smoker or non), but if you don't have to do either (and don't need the nicotine for medicinal purposes) then don't start. How's that?