Sneak Peak: The Hybrid 306/510 Atomizer

[dspin]

Grats to Bruce at COV for having these. Sound good, don't know where I've been, but this is the first I've read about these.

Just checked the site. Goes up for sale 7-15-11, going to try a couple for sure. Would be glad to give COV more business. Bruce is tops IMO

 

[AlmightyGod]

They are up on the COV site for $8.99 each.

http://www.cloudsofvapor.com/store/135-hybrid-atomizers.html

 

[icemanx3]

They are up on the COV site for $8.99 each.

http://www.cloudsofvapor.com/store/135-hybrid-atomizers.html

Are these not the HH .357? Or a knockoff if that? I'm confused :/

ice

 

[AlmightyGod]

From what I'm gathering, these two atomizers will be similar, with the exception of the bottom feeder option available for the Hybrid.

The Hybrid is a production atomizer & the HH is a modded atomizer.

Until they are both released, & I can do a side by side comparison, further differences are difficult to say.

 

[Tripster]

From what I'm gathering, these two atomizers will be similar, with the exception of the bottom feeder option available for the Hybrid.

The Hybrid is a production atomizer & the HH is a modded atomizer.

Until they are both released, & I can do a side by side comparison, further differences are difficult to say.

We can surely count on ya to get to the bottom (no pun intended) of comparing these atties side by side.

 

[misterD]

without me going back and find the info. the one that is not for bottom feeders is sealed? can you tell me any other difference besides that? can i use that bottom feeding one on my Vmod?

 

[AlmightyGod]

The non-bottom feeder model is not sealed on the bottom, so it could still be used on a bottom feeder mod. The bottom feeder model has slots in the casing to allow better airflow & draining juice if over-fed/flooded.

The BF model can be used on the Vmod. The slots allow the Vmod to pressure feed the atomizer.

According to Russ on VP Live, the first run of the HH will not be bottom feeder compatible.

 

[atavanhalen]

From what I'm gathering, these two atomizers will be similar, with the exception of the bottom feeder option available for the Hybrid.

The Hybrid is a production atomizer & the HH is a modded atomizer.

Until they are both released, & I can do a side by side comparison, further differences are difficult to say.

It looks like another difference is gonna be the price, the same radio show you mentioned stated that they will be MUCH more than 8.99 because Hannah has to be paid for his time. I am curious to know how similar these will be, I look forward to your side by side but I will probably try them both myself anyways. Question, have you watched the video on the 357 and how would you compare the vapor production just on sight alone?

edit; another difference is the 306 used is a cisco spec coil, take that as you will.

 

[AlmightyGod]

It's hard to tell from a video exactly what is being compared. Higher VG juices, no lung inhale, voltage, ohm rating, etc...are all parts of vapor production.

What I can say, is the Hybrid is a really nice vape. It was in development since March, & coincidentally, is being released about the same time as the other atty. I'm not making any "super atty" claims. It's a great product & worth giving a try. I think you will be pleased with it.

 

[Abubika]

The hh357 is also a production atomizer made from all brand new components not 2 atomizers taken apart. The only difference is one is not mass produced and is handmade in the us of a. I look forward to trying both and am happy leaps and bounds are being made in atomizer production

 

[Sense Field]

They are released. Already Ordered 2.

The 357 not working on a bottom feeder (for now) means it's not useable for my needs.

 

[AlmightyGod]

They are released. Already Ordered 2.

The 357 not working on a bottom feeder (for now) means it's not useable for my needs.

Either of the Hybrid Atomizers will work on a bottom feeder, but one is bottom feeder specific.
The slots in the casing give a smooth draw, and allow over-fed juice to flow into the catch-cup.
A quick slurp and the juice is sucked back into the atomizer through those same slots.

 

[6pointprime]

The hh357 is also a production atomizer made from all brand new components not 2 atomizers taken apart. The only difference is one is not mass produced and is handmade in the us of a. I look forward to trying both and am happy leaps and bounds are being made in atomizer production

Great point. Both designs, the 306/510 Hybrid and the .357, are full production units. The HH .357 certainly began as a mod - but today, thanks to the efforts of Hanna and Cisco, it is a full production unit, not a modded atomizer. It is...an American atomizer - it's Hanna.

The 306/510 has the benefit of reduced cost. Because they are manufactured in bulk on an assembly line with Chinese labor, the cost will be much lower than the .357 which is made one at a time, and tested for quality control, by Hanna - with Cisco LR 306 coils. Of course these coils are only available through Cisco. Simple visual inspection of the pictures of the coils posted in this thread show that the coils are radically different than the coil of a Cisco LR 306.

As far as the performance is concerned - we will have to wait and see. It is completely possible for the design of the Hybrid 306/510 to be so good as to surpass the performance of the .357 - however, going by the performance of the beta .357 that I have been living with over the past month, and closely inspecting the craftsmanship that Hanna puts into the design, construction, and vacuum seal procedure for each atomizer....I think that result is unlikely. What is certain is that the 306/510 Hybrid and the HH .357 will not perform the same.

I think (and hope) that the end result will be that the Hybrid 306/510 will deliver improved performance over a regular LR atty at a great price - and that the HH .357 will be the best performing atomizer on the market - but at a significantly higher cost. But who knows, I might be wrong.

I placed an order for the Hybrid 306/510 tonight - and I look forward to getting the production .357 later this week when Cisco receives them.

They will be directly compared - and I'll share my results with you all.

-Russ

 

[Sense Field]

I'll be posting a comparison review also.

Though...I was under the impression that the 357 atomizer won't work at all on a bottom feeder. If it does work...then I'll pick one up from the first batch. Russ, can you confirm that it will work on a bottom feeder even without the extra holes?

 

[6pointprime]

I'll be posting a comparison review also.

Though...I was under the impression that the 357 atomizer won't work at all on a bottom feeder. If it does work...then I'll pick one up from the first batch. Russ, can you confirm that it will work on a bottom feeder even without the extra holes?

You are correct. The first production run that has now been completed and will be up for sale shortly will not work with bottom feeders. The second run will be a mixture of bottom feed and drip only .357's. I have a beta .357 - it works great with my Phidias and Reo mini bottom feeders, but that will not be officially produced until the second production run.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Great point. Both designs, the 306/510 Hybrid and the .357, are full production units. The HH .357 certainly began as a mod - but today, thanks to the efforts of Hanna and Cisco, it is a full production unit, not a modded atomizer. It is...an American atomizer - it's Hanna.

All-American sounds patriotic, but Hanna has only modded a few atomizers,
where the factories have produced millions of atomizers.
I fail to see this high cost method as a distinct advantage.

The 306/510 has the benefit of reduced cost. Because they are manufactured in bulk on an assembly line with Chinese labor, the cost will be much lower than the .357 which is made one at a time, and tested for quality control, by Hanna - with Cisco LR 306 coils. Of course these coils are only available through Cisco. Simple visual inspection of the pictures of the coils posted in this thread show that the coils are radically different than the coil of a Cisco LR 306.

Are you implying that there is no quality control in the factories?

As far as the performance is concerned - we will have to wait and see. It is completely possible for the design of the Hybrid 306/510 to be so good as to surpass the performance of the .357 - however, going by the performance of the beta .357 that I have been living with over the past month, and closely inspecting the craftsmanship that Hanna puts into the design, construction, and vacuum seal procedure for each atomizer....I think that result is unlikely. What is certain is that the 306/510 Hybrid and the HH .357 will not perform the same.

You have used one beta HH, and haven't even tried a Hybrid, and you are already declaring a "winner"? You are not being objective.

I think (and hope) that the end result will be that the Hybrid 306/510 will deliver improved performance over a regular LR atty at a great price - and that the HH .357 will be the best performing atomizer on the market - but at a significantly higher cost. But who knows, I might be wrong.

Why do you "hope" the HH will be the best and the Hybrid will only be "improved"?
I thought you were objectively reviewing two atomizers?

They will be directly compared - and I'll share my results with you all. .

Try doing it on the thread you started, instead of continually invading this one.

 

[6pointprime]

All-American sounds patriotic

Yup, I'm a patriotic guy! I think it's great that the .357 is made in America.

but Hanna has only modded a few atomizers,
where the factories have produced millions of atomizers.
I fail to see this high cost method as a distinct advantage.

One advantage is consistency. In a factory, you have several different workers making atomizers. Each person does it a little differently…we have all experienced this in the past. Atomizers from the same factory will measure a little differently, look a little different, perform a little different….because different people made them. Hanna is the only person doing the design, assembly, and quality control, so there is a high degree of consistency in the product - which is done by the craftsman who designed the product. If the performance is not satisfactory to Hanna - it doesn't go out for sale.

Are you implying that there is no quality control in the factories?

Not at all, only that the quality control in a factory is different from the quality control of a single craftsman.

You have used one beta HH, and haven't even tried a Hybrid, and you are already declaring a "winner"? You are not being objective.

I have used a total of nine beta HH .357 atomizers of various designs, as Hanna has asked me for feedback along the way. I am not declaring a winner, but rather making some predictions. I could be wrong, and if I am, I'll admit it.

Why do you "hope" the HH will be the best and the Hybrid will only be "improved"?
I thought you were objectively reviewing two atomizers?

You're right about this - I'm not being objective. Thinking about it now, the best result for the community would be that the Hybrid outperforms the .357 simply because it costs less and will be available in higher quantities. It would be better for the consumer if they could get better performance out of a less expensive, more readily available product….thanks for pointing this out.

Try doing it on the thread you started, instead of continually invading this one.

People are asking about and comparing the two products on both threads. I think that a free and open exchange of ideas is in the best interest of the consumer….I'm sorry if you feel that this is some sort of attack or invasion. I don't mean it to be. I am trying to be helpful to the people considering spending their hard earned money on new and exciting products.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Yup, I'm a patriotic guy! I think it's great that the .357 is made in America.

Forgive me, if I'm wrong, but it's assembled in America, not Made in America. The components are made in China like the majority of all atomizers, cartomizers, & e-cigs. The Hybrid IS made by an American company.

One advantage is consistency. In a factory, you have several different workers making atomizers. Each person does it a little differently…we have all experienced this in the past. Atomizers from the same factory will measure a little differently, look a little different, perform a little different….because different people made them. Hanna is the only person doing the design, assembly, and quality control, so there is a high degree of consistency in the product - which is done by the craftsman who designed the product. If the performance is not satisfactory to Hanna - it doesn't go out for sale.

Handmade means "character flaws" - automation means "standardization." Claims like this are disingenuous. There have been quality issues with Cisco, Ikenvape, & other atomizers.

Not at all, only that the quality control in a factory is different from the quality control of a single craftsman.

QC is QC...if an atty doesn't meet the spec, it is rejected.

I have used a total of nine beta HH .357 atomizers of various designs, as Hanna has asked me for feedback along the way. I am not declaring a winner, but rather making some predictions. I could be wrong, and if I am, I'll admit it.

Bold predictions to make, considering you haven't tried the Hybrid, & according to your own posts, you only have one of the HH attys.

You're right about this - I'm not being objective. Thinking about it now, the best result for the community would be that the Hybrid outperforms the .357 simply because it costs less and will be available in higher quantities. It would be better for the consumer if they could get better performance out of a less expensive, more readily available product….thanks for pointing this out.

No problem. I'm trying to look at this objectively without becoming a Fan Boy. I haven't tried the HH, but look forward to the head-to-head comparisons.

People are asking about and comparing the two products on both threads. I think that a free and open exchange of ideas is in the best interest of the consumer….I'm sorry if you feel that this is some sort of attack or invasion. I don't mean it to be. I am trying to be helpful to the people considering spending their hard earned money on new and exciting products.

You are updating this thread with information about the HH more often than you are updating your own thread. I just don't want to confuse people into thinking it's the same atty.

The Hybrid Atomizer is now available at www.cloudsofvapor.com. They are $8.99 each, but a 10% discount is available with the coupon code: BIGBUYER.

The are two models: Bottom Feeder Specific (slotted casing) & Regular, although both will work on bottom feeder mods. There are 1.5ohm & 2.0ohm available.

 

[Tripster]

AG, do you know if the manufacturer of the hybrid will be putting out an 1.8Ω drippin version, I am not fond of 1.5Ω but I'll try the 2.0Ω for sure.

 

[AlmightyGod]

AG, do you know if the manufacturer of the hybrid will be putting out an 1.8Ω drippin version, I am not fond of 1.5Ω but I'll try the 2.0Ω for sure.

From my understanding, the second run may include more choices.

Without the bridge & upper wick, you should probably go for the 2.0ohm.