So I finally saw it happen...

[SissySpike]

Can't speak for anyone else but I certainly wasn't insinuating anyone can sue anyone. However you keep stating this fact about discharging energy. While it may be taught in 8th grade science, practically speaking, that doesn't mean people really believe there is any danger using as common an item as a battery. Again, basic statistics tells us all its NOT dangerous.

Educate people to be safe. If they aren't it's on them. But I can't say the all factions of the vape community are doing a great job educating... Not when I can buy a mechanical online and get the product and batteries in my hand and never see a warning at all.

Why do we need so many warning labels? I do see your point but then if you are the one to get hurt is it not your responsibility to your self to know how to use anything safely.
I think we need to teach people to do risk assessment before they do any task then we don't need warning labels.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse so shouldn't ignorance of using something safely, be it batteries a ladder exct.....

 

[arth1]

Ask any sane adult what happens when you touch a metal wrench to BOTH posts of a car battery.
We all know what happens, and it's not good.

We do? I think most people don't. What happens with a single wrench is a couple of sparks, and if the wrench is left in place, it and the battery heats up, and the battery will eventually boil or blow its heat fuse, depending on the battery.
If touching a wrench in each hand to the battery poles, nothing much happens. The human body doesn't conduct electricity that well. Yet, I believe many if not most people would think that you'd electrocute yourself.

The ignorance about electricity is huge. Both ways. People judge what's dangerous as safe, and what's safe as dangerous.

 

[AndriaD]

I completely disagree. I think more often than not, women are more gifted with these talents than men. They just choose to use them in different ways or allow them to go to waste in favor of other talents and more emotional and/or academic endeavors.

I've seen too many wives make their husbands look stupid by showing them what they're overlooking in an attempt to get them out of the garage faster to think otherwise. Of course then they wind up in the garage drinking and marveling over their accomplishments with the boys for the rest of the night. But that's another story.

Tapatyped

I'm girly enough that I don't want to mess with stuff that will get me messy or dirty... except gardening, but that's a whole different thing. My husband and I are both talented in that way, though you're right, I've often pointed out things to him that he just hadn't seen. But he's the guy in charge of anything electrical, which I think is what so amazes him about my vaping stuff, he knows how terrified I was of "messing with something electrical," but now that I understand it, it's just no biggie; I make the coils, mount the coils, wick the coils, and have gotten to the point that it takes only 5-10 minutes -- of course sometimes I still have to redo the wick; that part of it is by far the steepest learning curve, and gives me greater motivation to buy some of that dang expensive KGD cotton -- everytime I have to re-do a brand new wick because I didnt' get it right the first time, I SWEAR I'm gonna buy some of that... but other stuff always gets in the way.

Andria

 

[Maiar]

I vote we take the warning labels off everything instead of adding them to more stuff. Purge out the idiots.

 

[Bad Ninja]

We do? I think most people don't. What happens with a single wrench is a couple of sparks, and if the wrench is left in place, it and the battery heats up, and the battery will eventually boil or blow its heat fuse, depending on the battery.
If touching a wrench in each hand to the battery poles, nothing much happens. The human body doesn't conduct electricity that well. Yet, I believe many if not most people would think that you'd electrocute yourself.

The ignorance about electricity is huge. Both ways. People judge what's dangerous as safe, and what's safe as dangerous.

It'll weld the wrench to the posts and heat up until it boils or blows apart if it's sealed.
But that's just it.
You made my point.
You know the battery will spark and discharge electricity.
You know that means heat, possible fire, messy stuff indeed.
You know better than to have that happen in your pants.

You know better.
Take responsibility for your actions. It's no ones fault but your own if you short a battery in your pants.

 

[SmokinRabbit]

It'll weld the wrench to the posts and heat up until it boils or blows apart if it's sealed.
But that's just it.
You made my point.
You know the battery will spark and discharge electricity.
You know that means heat, possible fire, messy stuff indeed.
You know better than to have that happen in your pants.

You know better.
Take responsibility for your actions. It's no ones fault but your own if you short a battery in your pants.

A battery in a car is bigger than a person's head. It's reasonable to believe that messing with it at all is not a good idea. Don't use this as an example of a tiny pocketable battery and what people know about their safety.

If we don't put warnings on some things, we can't then claim people are stupid for not knowing. Someone has to tell them there is reasonable danger. Yes, we are all told over and over by the time we are three that coffee is hot so some warnings themselves are overkill, even ridiculous. However, I for one don't think warnings on lithium batteries or vaping devices is overkill, especially if you expect people to know there is danger involved. Like I said earlier, there were some pretty strong warnings on my drone batteries.

 

[caramel]

We need comprehensive safety labels on sewing needles.

 

[SmokinRabbit]

Changed my mind. I just did some reading on statistics.

Considering it's more likely you'll get struck by lightning (1/12,000) versus face battery failure (1/10,000,000), we don't need warning labels on the batteries themselves,

Lightning: http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.htm
Batteries: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i6/Assessing-Safety-Lithium-Ion-Batteries.html

If it's vaping devices that present more of a danger because with some mods (like mechanicals) there's a potential to drain the battery beyond safe limits, it's on the vaping community to educated and warn. It's in our own interests to do it.

I would say the same thing about other specific communities where there may be additional factors of safety (like I run into with drone batteries).

That seems more than reasonable.

 

[Completely Average]

Changed my mind. I just did some reading on statistics.

Considering it's more likely you'll get struck by lightning (1/12,000) versus face battery failure (1/10,000,000), we don't need warning labels on the batteries themselves,

Lightning: NWS Lightning Safety: Understanding Lightning Introduction
Batteries: Assessing The Safety Of Lithium-Ion Batteries | February 11, 2013 Issue - Vol. 91 Issue 6 | Chemical & Engineering News

That just means we need to put warning labels on lightning.

 

[SmokinRabbit]

That just means we need to put warning labels on lightning.

You may think it's funny, and sure, haha, I see the humor... But if vaping products are leading to a higher incidence rate of battery failure it's something the community should address. It's bad for all of us if it's seen as "unsafe", and that can mean by more than just what we're inhaling.

Maybe all that authenticity-proving paperwork and fancy packaging that houses our metal tubes can includes a cheap piece of paper reminding newbies about battery safety.

 

[jseah]

No, my mom couldn't care less about batteries or anything to do with cars unless they stop working . If they need a new battery, she has the shop change it. In fact, one just recently needed a new battery and she was quite appalled when I suggested she change it. She had AAA towthe car in

We are very different people. If I can do it myself, I just do. And in the meantime she freaks out that I'm doing it. Sadly, my dad is even less mechanical than she is. I had to put together my own toys as a 4 year old.

Take a guess how my mom reacts everytime I do electrical work in my house. She actually asked me not to use ladders when I did the roof and siding! I'm 5'4", and the house is 28' tall. I asked her if she wanted me to try a trampoline, rofl!

Until the day(s) they passed away, every time I visited my parents, the clock on their VCR would always be flashing 12:00. They just never figured out how to change the time and had no desire to learn.

 

[wesson]

You may think it's funny, and sure, haha, I see the humor... But if vaping products are leading to a higher incidence rate of battery failure it's something the community should address. It's bad for all of us if it's seen as "unsafe", and that can mean by more than just what we're inhaling.

Maybe all that authenticity-proving paperwork and fancy packaging that houses our metal tubes can includes a cheap piece of paper reminding newbies about battery safety.

Many (most?) responsible websites that sell LiPo or LiIon batts, regardless of their purpose, offer a warning about the hazards of these power sources. That should be sufficient, you'd think? But, does anyone remember when take-out coffee cups were labelled with warnings that the consents was "hot" because an individual spilled the coffee on themselves, was burned and successfully sued the vendor? Lol

 

[SmokinRabbit]

Many (most?) responsible websites that sell LiPo or LiIon batts, regardless of their purpose, offer a warning about the hazards of these power sources. That should be sufficient, you'd think? But, does anyone remember when take-out coffee cups were labelled with warnings that the consents was "hot" because an individual spilled the coffee on themselves, was burned and successfully sued the vendor? Lol

No, it's not enough. And I already said I changed my mind on batteries themselves... It's the devices that should warn, especially ones that aren't providing any safety features.

And again, haha you're funny, but even what I posted above somewhat proves that most people realize coffee is hot, but not that lithium batteries present any danger. And in reality, for most people, a cup of scalding hot coffee is actually more dangerous. [emoji13]

Ps. I've received several free batteries in the mail or added them to an order as a "you might want this too" from websites with good reputations and no warnings at all.

 

[DaveP]

The battery in the pocket story reminded me of my surprise when a 9v battery in my co-worker's briefcase tool bag starting smoking one day. He had just rumbled around looking for a 1/4" wrench and smoke started rising. He looked and saw that it was a 9v battery smoking. He grabbed it and hollered, then tossed it in the trash can ... duh. The battery had contacted a metal tool as he rumbled around in a pile of metal tools. He ended up with a huge blister in the palm of his hand.

When he fished it out of the trash, he used pliers. We learn really quick when pain is involved.

 

[Shotglass]

It's not that the guy carrying the bare battery in his pocket or <<insert any other Darwin award example>> are idiots, uneducated or anything of that nature...I'd hazard a guess that several, if not most, of them have above average intelligence.

IMO, most of the people who do stuff like this are just lazy.

I say that because they were too lazy to think about what they were about to do. They get this laziness from our EXTREMELY litigious society that has brought about the need for corporations and local governments to plaster a MASSIVE amount of warning labels on everything basically eliminating the NEED for people to think for themselves in order to avoid obstacles to their continued well being. This generational laziness in thought processes leads to overpopulation of the planet and an eventual dumbing down of the species.



/rant

 

[OlderNDirt]

All of you should be adults.
All of you should have a basic education.
All of you should have taken basic science classes.

All of you should have paid attention.

If you graduated high school you were taught about energy, electricity, and how a battery stores and releases power.

If you didn't pay attention or didn't surmise that a battery could discharge any time it is shorted with a piece of metal, it isnt a shops fault, it's yours.

If your education "didn't take", maybe blame the school, but not a vape shop where an adult made the decision to buy a high discharge battery and shove it in a pocket full of metal.

We all know better. This is basic science we were all taught.

People should take responsibility for their own actions no matter how stupid it is.

I am an adult with a basic education, including basic science classes. I paid attention and did graduate high school. I have no recollection of any teachings what-so-ever regarding any need for battery safety. Then again, learning how to use a slide rule was quite extensive!

ETA: I just realized, it's a good thing I paid close attention to lectures and teachings on using a slide rule. I have yet to have one do any harm to me or any innocent bystanders!

Maybe it wouldn't be all bad if every supplier, online and B&M's included one of the cheap cases with every battery purchase?

 

[Bad Ninja]

I am an adult with a basic education, including basic science classes. I paid attention and did graduate high school. I have no recollection of any teachings what-so-ever regarding any need for battery safety. Then again, learning how to use a slide rule was quite extensive!

Maybe it wouldn't be all bad if every supplier, online and B&M's included one of the cheap cases with every battery purchase?

You didn't learn what a battery is? Really?
You made it to adulthood without knowing that sparks can occur when a battery shorts out?

I don't believe that. Maybe you didn't pay attention that day, but batteris and energy are a part of basic grade school science.
Everyone learns this stuff.
I did.
Every adult I know is smart enough to realize there is danger in shorting any battery.


Whether you applied that knowledge is up to you.


I shouldn't have to modify my life because a small minority can't use common sense when using a simple battery.

 

[AndriaD]

Until the day(s) they passed away, every time I visited my parents, the clock on their VCR would always be flashing 12:00. They just never figured out how to change the time and had no desire to learn.

Or, could be the buttons for changing the time were so tiny, they didn't even know where to look! Those of us with elderly eyes aren't doing well with all the progressively smaller buttons. Which is just one of the reasons I don't have a cellphone, plus not having fingers small enough for those tiny buttons; once heard Craig Ferguson refer to an iPad as a "large-print cellphone" and if that were really true, I might actually buy one. But alas, they won't work as phones.

You need fingers about the size of a 5-yr-old's to operate most cellphones I've seen.

Andria

 

[caramel]

We need to pay attention to the safety of the labels themselves. You can cut your skin, or worse, your eye, with a sheet of paper.

 

[caramel]

Or, could be the buttons for changing the time were so tiny, they didn't even know where to look! Those of us with elderly eyes aren't doing well with all the progressively smaller buttons. Which is just one of the reasons I don't have a cellphone, plus not having fingers small enough for those tiny buttons; once heard Craig Ferguson refer to an iPad as a "large-print cellphone" and if that were really true, I might actually buy one. But alas, they won't work as phones.

You need fingers about the size of a 5-yr-old's to operate most cellphones I've seen.

Andria

Back in the days we bought VCRs to watch movies, not the time.....