Hey bit of respect for those attempting to get better. We dont have to turn everything into an outside issue.
I'm happy to close to move, just let me know OP.
I'm happy to close to move, just let me know OP.
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Not the op but this thread has helped a few find their way to the above group in spite of the derailment. I, for one, would appreciate it if it could stay open for a while unless you think it really out of hand.
Please keep the discussion and/or debate focused on the philosophical and personal perspective on definitions of sobriety. There cannot be personalized attacks on any single individual poster or the thread will be closed. Debate and/or question the contents of their opinion, not their character.
This thread was posted to the Outside because the Outside is for both debate, and controversial or taboo topics that would not fit into the other forums. This thread is for those who have been or whom are currently addicted to mind altering substances, and whom are now clean from those substances or seeking a life in which they are clean from those substances; Whom have begun vaping rather than smoking tobacco cigarettes. This thread is for these people to talk to each other in an open format. There is no specific topic. Debate is allowed. But attacking someone personally is not allowed here. This thread was created for the side of the Outside that is for taboo subject matter, not specifically the side of the Outside that is for debate.
To get this thread back on tack, (not topic, as there is no topic) I have quoted those posts that pertained to sobriety from page 18 to the current page:
This thread was posted to the Outside because the Outside is for both debate, and controversial or taboo topics that would not fit into the other forums. This thread is for those who have been or whom are currently addicted to mind altering substances, and whom are now clean from those substances or seeking a life in which they are clean from those substances; Whom have begun vaping rather than smoking tobacco cigarettes. This thread is for these people to talk to each other in an open format. There is no specific topic. Debate is allowed. But attacking someone personally is not allowed here. This thread was created for the side of the Outside that is for taboo subject matter, not specifically the side of the Outside that is for debate.
To get this thread back on tack, (not topic, as there is no topic) I have quoted those posts that pertained to sobriety from page 18 to the current page:
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No doubt. I think we've all agreed at this point that most people consider "sober" to equal "not drinking." Nothing wrong with that.
Sobriety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I thought so too and was certain that's what Wiki would say. Darn, I'm wrong again. It's OK, I'm used to being wrong.
I kinda like this part...
"Sobriety has more specific meanings within specific contexts, such as the culture of Alcoholics Anonymous, other 12 step programs, law enforcement, and some schools of psychology. In some cases, sobriety implies achieving "life balance".
Wow... Sobriety can have Different Meanings based on Specific Contexts.
What a Unique Concept.
"Sobriety has more specific meanings within specific contexts, such as the culture of Alcoholics Anonymous, other 12 step programs, law enforcement, and some schools of psychology. In some cases, sobriety implies achieving "life balance".
Wow... Sobriety can have Different Meanings based on Specific Contexts.
What a Unique Concept.
Look at the top of the page for the disambiguation link to "sober." Sobriety and sober are not the same thing. Not that it makes a difference at this point as we've already established a working definition for this particular thread...
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Sure. Because I totally argued that only one definition applies.
See, the question at this point is why are YOU dragging this out even further? You'd rather try and score points on me than let the thread get back on track, evidently. Very mature, z.
I'd Didn't Post or Reply to You Surf.
Quit Personalizing everything in the OUTSIDE.
And Quit saying that People are Out to Get You. That Litany is Getting Old. It is Starting to sound like Paranoiac Ramblings of the Guy I see Every Mourning Pan-Handling at the Bus Stop.
Non denial denial. You really think that helps your cred? Pretty amusing. Keep grasping, z. One day you're sure to actually catch something!
How about this............
How protective/successful/legal are 12 step programs like AA????
There yall go something to debate
(Is trying very hard not to shut it down...work with me a little k)
How protective/successful/legal are 12 step programs like AA????
There yall go something to debate
(Is trying very hard not to shut it down...work with me a little k)
I am unsubscribing. This was a nice idea that has become a terrible joke. Thanks Plumes, for trying. See you at the group.
Was it Bull Durham, where the pitcher wore a garter belt for luck, and then when he stopped wearing it, or lost faith in it, it stopped working for him? I think AA is a bit like that.
It's painful to change paradigms and give god a shot. Most of us fight it. But when few options exist, you'll consider it. And then it might work. If it doesn't work, not much has been lost. When it does work, you can rebuild our life.
It's painful to change paradigms and give god a shot. Most of us fight it. But when few options exist, you'll consider it. And then it might work. If it doesn't work, not much has been lost. When it does work, you can rebuild our life.
I have no idea if AA works I didn't use it to quit. I just stayed away from booze and even my friends who were drinkers until I hit a point where I wasn't craving the booze so badly. As for the legal issue I don't know how it works everywhere but around here it's not mandatory but it's a choice, that or serve more time. If it really doesn't work it doesn't make much sense does it? I have to say that over the years I know of at least a dozen people who have chosen AA over county lock up. Not one of them wanted to quit so it didn't work for any of them.
I don't think forcing someone to get help will work. AA might help some though. If nothing else it's a support group so that when people are about to relapse they have someone to call. Again though it wouldn't work if they don't want it to.
I don't think forcing someone to get help will work. AA might help some though. If nothing else it's a support group so that when people are about to relapse they have someone to call. Again though it wouldn't work if they don't want it to.
Well Plumes... In a way, you did get Part of your Wish. You did get a chance to Meet a lot of People in this Thread.
I'll let you be the Judge of which ones were Helpful. And which ones were Not.
I'll let you be the Judge of which ones were Helpful. And which ones were Not.
"I split a sheet. A sheet I split. Now I lay on a splitted sheet" - say it five times real fast.
I'm addicted to tongue twisters.
I'm addicted to tongue twisters.
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That sums up ECF for reformed smokers too, yeah? I wanted to quit but ya'll sure did help. I did however need to read several religion threads but I'll get over them.
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