Some ex-smokers just don't get it!

[curiousJan]

"who have recovered" is in the Forward of the original Big Book, and "recovered" appears elsewhere.

I'd be happy to say that I'm a recovered smoker

Doubt you'd hear that directly from someone with very much time clean/sober. I feel that the moment I believe I'm "recovered" from any of my addictions is the day that I've let my guard down ... and sooner or later my resolve will fall down too.

Jan

 

[tarazarr]

Any substance we encounter in our daily lives could be killing us slowly. We don't know. The FDA doesn't know.


Ps. In the spirit of this thread, how crazy would it be to tell a dieter that they are fooling themselves when they think they kicked their food addiction because they still consume calories.

you made my point nicely...thank you

About as absurd as the commercials you see saying, On our diet you will lose weight, while eating more, and you don't even have to excercise!

Or they show some hottie rolling around on a big oversized kickball in the living room and tell you, you can have this body too by using this excercise ball for 8 minutes a day.....

And people buy it.. In fact enough people believe it that they can afford elaborate 30 minute infomercials to sell their product....

People want to believe....therefore they do....

 

[HeatherC]

"Smoking" means the burning of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco."

This is how smoking is defined in the NY state clean air act... it specifically states it is the burning of said substance which results in smoking. vaping, we are not burning anything as far as I know.

 

[dfs405]

I dislike smelling other peoples smoke. If vaping is outlawed I will switch to snus-I will never SMOKE again.

 

[Mar]

If you are getting smoke from your PV you're doing it wrong.

 

[tarazarr]

I just poured a cup of coffee from the pot that was brewed 6 hours ago.... It's not burnt... Just overly vaped....LOL

I'll use that term next time dinner doesn't come out like I planned... I didn't burn it...I just vaped it a little too long...

Honey, this taste.....uhhhm.....vaped...

she's vaping hot...

how could the toast be burnt? it was never in a fire...just up against an electrical heating element for too long... the toast must be vaped....see it taste better already....lol

Atty's every now and then need "dry vaped" to keep them working good....

He touched the hot stove eye and ....vaped his hand... our bodies are 75% water for that matter..

 

[MoonRose]

tarazarr, by your own standards, your signiture tag is wrong.

 

[Jonmo1]

I just poured a cup of coffee from the pot that was brewed 6 hours ago.... It's not burnt... Just overly vaped....LOL

I'll use that term next time dinner doesn't come out like I planned... I didn't burn it...I just vaped it a little too long...

Honey, this taste.....uhhhm.....vaped...

she's vaping hot...

how could the toast be burnt? it was never in a fire...just up against an electrical heating element for too long... the toast must be vaped....see it taste better already....lol

Why does your signature say you've been smoke free for 18 days???

I guess the title of the thread is spot on...
Some ex smokers just don't get it...

 

[Hoosier]

Darn, forgot grandma told me not to try to teach pigs to sing because it annoys the pig and frustrates you.

Now I remember...

 

[HeatherC]

WOW tar... If you're really not sure you are NOT getting the over 4000 KNOWN (at least 50 of which are known carcinogens) chemicals found in cigarette smoke... then really why are you taking the risk. The flavorings in the liquid are used in CANDY and cake decorating supplies. Guess maybe we should stop eating candy and cake too... oh and while we're at it lets start banning the awful chemical known as dihydrogen monoxide. It'll kill ya for sure.

 

[tarazarr]

tarazarr, by your own standards, your signiture tag is wrong.

I completely agree with you......no argument...

Im just like everyone else here... I sincerely hope these are more healthy for us then cigarettes...

I just am not going to pretend that if they disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't be the first in line at the nearest gas station buying a pack of smokes.... I'm not cured... recovered... or really a non smoker...

I'm doing my best to think of myself as "not a smoker" but a drug addict who has chosen a different method..... Vaping is so close to smoking... I wouldn't dare call myself a non smoker.... as soon as I do... the FDA will outlaw these things and we'll all find ourselves in the cigarette line at Walmart....lol Well lets hope not...

All I know for sure Is I've avoided smoking 370 of those ... things.... and I know they were killing me slowly

 

[HeatherC]

Darn, forgot grandma told me not to try to teach pigs to sing because it annoys the pig and frustrates you.

Now I remember...

LOL great reminder!!! thanks i needed that

 

[prawdaeh]

I'm sorry...but vaping isn't smoking to me..it's a step away from smoking. The changes in my health are happening RAPIDLY.. my ability to breathe, sing, even going out and mowing the the parts of my lawn that i have to get with the pushmower have become 10x easier and you can see from my sig it's been a very short time. My cravings aren't as strong as they used to get as a smoker...I don't smell like a smoker... I think i'll take a risk with nicotine as compared to the crap I used to inhale along with it. My lungs are actually working. I'm feeding addiction...and i'm sort of REPLICATING smoking...but I'm inhaling ZERO SMOKE...so i dont see how it could be referred to as smoking.

Smoking is a verb - to inhale SMOKE. Vaping is something new to us...and those that want to can go ahead and keep smoking while we wait for the definative health effects of our PV's, however - I know myself and many others are seeing many many many positive health effects from the switch...and the only 2 things that come close to what came with the actual habit of smoking are the nicotine intake...and the fact that what you are inhaling is not just air. But just for an experiment - take a drag off a cigarette and see how long smoke lingers.... now try the same thign with an e-CIG and see how long the vapor lingers.. There's a DEFINATE difference between the charactoristics of vapor and smoke.

It's like you guys comparing a humidifier to a campfire imo. But that's my opinion...and we all have opinions.

 

[LynGBH]

I'm really not harping

Errmmm...yes. She is. In an obnoxious, non-supportive, self righteous, passive-aggressive manner.

One of the finer aspects of Facebook is you can delete posts from "friends" from your wall whenever you like.

Hugs and best wishes, MoonRose.

 

[Jonmo1]

I completely agree with you......no argument...

Im just like everyone else here... I sincerely hope these are more healthy for us then cigarettes...

I just am not going to pretend that if they disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't be the first in line at the nearest gas station buying a pack of smokes.... I'm not cured... recovered... or really a non smoker...

I don't think anyone here is pretending they wouldn't start smoking again if PV's disiappeared tomorrow...
That's not the point.
The point is that at the current moment, we are not smoking. Therefor we are not smokers.

But here's the thing, PV's won't disappear, they can't, it's impossible.
Once the knowledge and know how exists, it cannot be erased from existence.

If they are outlawed, I'll find a way.
It's the Selling they will make illegal, not the possession/use.
Well, I suppose they MIGHT make the possession/use illegal, but I doubt it.

So it will be harder to find, but it will be there.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Supply and demand...
As long as we want it, there will be someone there to make it.
Count on it.

 

[tarazarr]

which brings me to my next question......

Do you think most of us have really screwed ourselves here....Like a ...... addict who just found and endless supply of really cheap pure ......... and we are going crazy with it...??? I mean I now live with this e-cig in my mouth all the time....topping off the cartos that were supposed to last me all day....

Have I ...have we actually increased our nicotine addiction?

thoughts????

 

[HeatherC]

10-15 puffs is supposed to be equivalent to an analog cig.... I do puff on my PV alot but I don't think I take 15 puffs an hour... maybe... but considering I was a 3 PAD smoker... I figure I AM NOT getting the same amount of nicotine. Also there have been studies that show we are not getting the same amount of nicotine from these as we did from smoking. One study I saw said we're not getting ANY but another I saw said we're getting about .8mg for each puff you get almost 2mg with a puff on an analog. AND I've gone from 36mg of nicotine juice when I started to 9mg of juice today... I think I'm on the right road.

 

[skidaug]

We believe what we want to believe. What is right for me is not necessarily right for you. My perception of reality is just that, "my" perception.
With that said I believe I do not smoke but I do vape. I have no facts to substantiate the negative or positive health effects of vaping. I am still addicted to nicotine. Such a lively thread I had to jump in with my thoughts

 

[tokengirl]

I believe have increased my nicotine consumption. I chain vape at 10mg. at every opportunity. But I feel like a million bucks so I don't sweat it. I really do have bigger things to worry about.

I have improved my quality of life so much by quitting smoking and starting vaping the way I figure I'm light years ahead of the game so whateves.

 

[prawdaeh]

which brings me to my next question......

Do you think most of us have really screwed ourselves here....Like a ...... addict who just found and endless supply of really cheap pure ......... and we are going crazy with it...??? I mean I now live with this e-cig in my mouth all the time....topping off the cartos that were supposed to last me all day....

Have I ...have we actually increased our nicotine addiction?

thoughts????

I think that's all a matter of will power my friend. Some people have reduced themselfs to vaping 0 nic juice for most of the day and using some with nic for purely their nicotine cravings. I wouldn't call it being addicted to the vapor if they're not using nicotine. You have to think why did some of us keep smoking despite all we'd heard about it growing up? Because we enjoyed it..

If you find something you enjoy more than that and it has some benefits along with it that didn't come with the previous habit..is it an addiction? Or are you just enjoying yourself.

Then again..My purpose for buying one was not to have to suffer withdrawl. And it's done pretty well. I honestly have no intention of trying to go to no nic juice soon.

I will say this - the talk of bans have been around for years now... I don't think we're going to see these go away for us anytime soon as long as people are properly informed about them. Such as my dentist's tech asked me what was an e-cig when i told them I had switched and was considering whitening my teeth. She then told me her husband tried quitting and went to dipping...I suggested she look into them and talk to her husband about it...i also mentioned the fda and how bogus I thought their crap was...and told her what is true - This device seems to be saving my life.

California (what an AWESOME state) beat the ban by coming together and writing Gov. Arnold. Just as they have come together to make other awesome causes come to pass and beat the misinformation that was provided back in the 1920s. The government still relies on this bogus information they spread... So its up to US to be knowledgable and - Like the beautiful Californians - it's up to us to make sure our opinions are heard by the people with power to do anything.

my 2cents man i hope you don't find me being too argumentative.