Real simple if you don't like it don't spend your money there. After all it is all about the money.
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Someone said the policy was "Nationwide" -- not sure if it includes Canada or not. My objection is more that they made a splash siding with the ANTZ -- it takes a lot of really bad junk science to imply vaping OUTDOORS is any possible harm to anybody except possibly the vaper herself.
Yup saw a sign at one today.
Guess they should also include asthma inhalers too!
Guess they should also include asthma inhalers too!
Drinking a coffe takes what 5 minutes? Not hard to not vape for 5 min 
and you can also take it with you to a other place and vape there
and you can also take it with you to a other place and vape there
Why stop at just not allowing smoking on their property. That seems pretty half passed to me. They should go all the way in their effort to punish smokers and just not serve anyone who enters a starbucks and smells of smoke. The same goes for the drive thru, if a car pulls up and it smells like cigarette smoke they should refuse to sell them caffeine. Personally, I rarely go to starbucks anyway, I much prefer the mom n pop coffee shops.
Here's to your impending bankruptcy, starbucks!!
I don't agree with your morals, your attitudes, your tactics, or anything else you stand for.
I don't agree with your morals, your attitudes, your tactics, or anything else you stand for.
You know after thinking about this for a while I can understand the indoor policy. But outdoors on the patio not really. It's mostly odorless and dissipates quickly outside. I find it hypocritical that a company slings caffeine to the masses snubs another for nicotine. It would be like every e cig shop in North America banning coffee in their shops.
Used to be a big starbucks drinker years ago until I realized how much I was spending per month on coffee. I will grab one here and there, but most times I just grind my favorite beans at home and brew it myself. Their corporate culture seems flawed when a barista makes minimum wage and works so hard on their feet all day. It won't be long till E Cigs will be treated as tobacco products no matter where you live. I remember being able to smoke on airplanes!!! lol ... When I lived in Toronto and flying to Vancouver (whistler trip) I smoked my face off in the last rows of a un-crowded plane and loved it (this was 1989) hee hee.
Used to be a big starbucks drinker years ago until I realized how much I was spending per month on coffee. I will grab one here and there, but most times I just grind my favorite beans at home and brew it myself. Their corporate culture seems flawed when a barista makes minimum wage and works so hard on their feet all day. It won't be long till E Cigs will be treated as tobacco products no matter where you live. I remember being able to smoke on airplanes!!! lol ... When I lived in Toronto and flying to Vancouver (whistler trip) I smoked my face off in the last rows of a un-crowded plane and loved it (this was 1989) hee hee.
I frequent them and Peets chain too and mom and pops though in cali those are our main two .I will be boycotting Starbucks for sure ,not that it will matter to their bottom line .As already mentioned ,since most arent stand alone but in strip malls where 25 feet = 5 other stores in cali ,they will have a very hard time enforcing it .I will continue to vape outside within 25 feet as i frequent one center alot and go to other businesses there .I would like to see them try to get me to not vape there .What are they gonna do ? Arrest me ? lmao
Local sherriffs have bigger fish to fry then police for them about this so ...? Not quite getting it from Starbucks point of view unless you are sitting at one of their tables in front of their store .
Local sherriffs have bigger fish to fry then police for them about this so ...? Not quite getting it from Starbucks point of view unless you are sitting at one of their tables in front of their store .
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I got a reply this morning to the email I sent yesterday. It basically said they're sorry I feel that way, they take our concerns about this seriously and want to assure me my email has been thoroughly documented and shared with all appropriate departments in their corporate office.
Well, yesterday I got busy, and emailed Starbucks back with the results:
"Actually, I find that ironically I owe Starbucks a big thank you!
Having decided to eliminate Starbucks from my life, I researched local independent coffee houses in my area, found two, checked out one yesterday. It is "vaper friendly" (allows electronic cigarattes inside and out**), its coffee is as good if not better than yours, and it's considerably less expensive. They welcomed me with open arms, and said they'd had several new customers like me that morning looking for a Starbucks Alternative. I am recommending them to all my friends and colleagues. Had Starbucks not said it didn't want me as a customer, I never would have found this wonderful place!
**Unlike Starbucks, they had already researched the issue, and found compelling evidence that the vapor (which is NOT smoke) from electronic cigarettes poses no threat to bystanders or the environment."
Well, yesterday I got busy, and emailed Starbucks back with the results:
"Actually, I find that ironically I owe Starbucks a big thank you!
Having decided to eliminate Starbucks from my life, I researched local independent coffee houses in my area, found two, checked out one yesterday. It is "vaper friendly" (allows electronic cigarattes inside and out**), its coffee is as good if not better than yours, and it's considerably less expensive. They welcomed me with open arms, and said they'd had several new customers like me that morning looking for a Starbucks Alternative. I am recommending them to all my friends and colleagues. Had Starbucks not said it didn't want me as a customer, I never would have found this wonderful place!
**Unlike Starbucks, they had already researched the issue, and found compelling evidence that the vapor (which is NOT smoke) from electronic cigarettes poses no threat to bystanders or the environment."
Well, I hardly ever go to Starbucks because its too expensive. If they won't allow vaping, then I won't ever go back although its not like they lost a big customer anyways. They have always been a ripoff to me.
I totally love this! I've been mentally rehearsing a long, scientific, political, angry, letter.
But your letter reminded me of the fastest customer-service change I've ever gotten in my life. A major retail chain kept sending us letters suggesting we apply for a credit card, then turning us down. So when we needed to buy a stove, we got it on a 6-month plan, partly because we needed a few months, and partly because the salesman said it would allow us to establish our credit with them.
We paid it off in 5 months, then responded to the next letter offering credit, and got turned down again. Turns out 5 months was not a long-enough credit history.
So we wrote back asking them to please stop sending us letters because they keep turning us down anyway, and we had a Master Card (a new idea at the time) and their competitors take Master Card, so we were happy.
We got a credit card by return mail.
So, now I have to start thinking like Agent Berylanna and see what I can come up with.
I don't go to Starbucks. It's awful coffee and hugely over priced. Even so, as I've said in other posts on this forum, we vapers are going to have to come to grips with the undeniable fact that vaping, for the uninitiated, is just too difficult to distinguish from smoking and that small brains will never get around that.
Yes we educate, yes we continue to get the message out about how it's NOT SMOKE, but it's going to take time.
Boycott Starbucks is a good start.
Yes we educate, yes we continue to get the message out about how it's NOT SMOKE, but it's going to take time.
Boycott Starbucks is a good start.
Yes, it will take time, but we must continue to get the message out that it's NOT SMOKE.
See? I'm turning sentence around so that the implied message is what we must do, not the time it's going to take to do it.
Words, words, words. As a former editor and copy editor, I'm always analyzing HOW something is said to communicate an idea. In most news articles, attention is paid to: 1) the headline; 2) the first sentence; 3) the rest of the first paragraph; and then, finally, 4) the rest of the article. In most non-news articles meant to convey factual information, the order is: 1) the headline; 2) the first paragraph; 3) the last paragraph or conclusion; 4) the rest of the article.
Sorry, I got sidetracked...
Since I became aware of vaping and the backlash against it, first I saw the antis using "scientific research" and "statistical studies" (most of which qualified as junk) to reinforce their position that vaping is dangerous, unhealthy, invalid as a cessation method, yada yada yada. Then I began to see more and more rebuttal articles using scientific studies and statistics to counter the ANTZ claims. Now just recently I'm seeing more and more antis include the "even if it isn't smoking it looks like smoking and therefore we disapprove of it" argument to support their claims that vaping is evil.
The validity of their various arguments is slowly being demolished. But you're right, there are small minds everywhere that will never get beyond the "it looks like" argument, and don't the ANTZ love that!
Sorry for the rant. I need to be my own best editor, but the morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
Agent Berylanna:
After you send 50 protest emails to anti-vaping corporations, government agencies, and politicians, we will send you your very own secret decoder ring and a coupon good for 5ml of e-juice...
Good luck!,
HQ
With all that leftover money would you like to buy my Provari?
I really want a Purple one
Thank you for the rant!Sorry for the rant. I need to be my own best editor, but the morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
I'd like to see every vaper ranting.
I'd like to see every vaper righteously ...... off.
That's one hell of a lot better than just sitting there quietly and letting them screw us again.
I realized early on that while ranting here on ECF is soul-satisfying, it really doesn't get much done to change public perceptions or policies.** Playing to one's strengths, I decided that I would become a "vaping correspondent" to every anti-vaping media outlet I became aware of. If I can't post comments, I write letters to the editor. I email politicians and agencies. I contribute to CASAA. I do what I can...
**I do harbor the secret hope that ANTZ like True Palbott, Helen Ahn, and Glanton Stands peruse the forum and have the joy of reading about the contempt in which we hold them...
The ANTZ people should just join up with MADD... they are all going for the extreme, rather than the intelligent.
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