Let Starbucks know what you think

[SissySpike]

I understand and respect your passion for vaping buzzzlove. Being new, I'm kind of surprised at how I feel about it. I agree with you and feel the same as you but I don't agree with the how. Lets send e mails; select all, delete.

The way for change is not by shoving it in the faces of those that don't want it. The way for change is through education (in a respectful manner). The court of public opinion is the only way vaping will ever get anywhere. If you want change in favor there is this thing called peaceful protest collectively in person standing side by side of each other. Not a bunch of e mails.

If the proposed ban in NYC is never brought in to existence one of the reasons is the thousands of emails to NY legislators from CSASS and forum members.

I also am not advising anyone to shove anything The Starbucks ban is biased on complaints so if they get enough complaints about their ban it might possibly inspire an epiphany and cause them to rethink their position.

Ok Im in CO fly on out next weekend and you and I will picket Starbucks together. Not very practical hu? I spend alot of time emailing and calling people concerning vaping regulations what do you do? I will be happy to start employing your methods also please advise me what they are?

 

[StrappedKaos]

Just my .02 cents

Starbucks is a huge company that employ's lot's of people in many countries, and also has huge ties to big American government....
GOing against them will only make them send bad emails to the Big American Government trying to ban E-cigs, as it could hurt their profits if E-cig user's start making a fuss. Maybe not but it sounds good,right? Strapped

 

[Dj tank]

I responded, for what good it will do. Personally, businesses have the right to choose what policies to make and enforce. I would obviously prefer to be able to vape while on Starbuck's property (when I can afford it), but at the same time I can understand how allowing vaping would upset smokers not being allowed to smoke if they see vapors vaping. It's just easier for a business to say neither are allowed.

Not to mention that while most would agree that second hand vape is harmless...second hand vape smell can be an issue to some, and the lingering vape (try vaping bobas indoor with low ventalation) hangs in the air forever. Reminds me of my travels earlier this week... I wa heading to orange county with a layover in minneapolis. Id been sitting close to the gate for 2 hours vaping Bobas...somewhat discreetly (meaning i wasnt hiding it...but i wasnt volcanoing plumes of vape everywhere).... Up walks some dude with a smaller pv who wasnt being discreet and sitting next to people (with kids) blowing it all over. Harmless vapor....probably...is it gonna piss off people and parents if your blowing it all over...definitiely. Within minutes a gate agent comes over and asks him to stop...which he argues a bit gets up and walks down a few gates. My point here is...have some common sense when you vape.

I went from detroit to cali vaping in airports and on planes without so much as a peep from anyone. I didnt hide it...but i sure wasnt a douchenozzle and blew plumes everywhere either.

 

[SissySpike]

Just my .02 cents

Starbucks is a huge company that employ's lot's of people in many countries, and also has huge ties to big American government....
GOing against them will only make them send bad emails to the Big American Government trying to ban E-cigs, as it could hurt their profits if E-cig user's start making a fuss. Maybe not but it sounds good,right? Strapped

No it dose not sound good well depends on what you mean buy bad emails you can voice your opinion with out being disrespectful. If Starbucks influences the gooberment we are all screwed anyway;-) but then again that might explain some of our legislators actions;-)

Do you really believe Starbucks has a direct line to the white house and will call the president and speaker of the house and demand something be done about these pesky vapers?

 

[Tvan]

If the proposed ban in NYC is never brought in to existence one of the reasons is the thousands of emails to NY legislators from CSASS and forum members.

I also am not advising anyone to shove anything The Starbucks ban is biased on complaints so if they get enough complaints about their ban it might possibly inspire an epiphany and cause them to rethink their position.

Ok Im in CO fly on out next weekend and you and I will picket Starbucks together. Not very practical hu? I spend alot of time emailing and calling people concerning vaping regulations what do you do? I will be happy to start employing your methods also please advise me what they are?

You don't distinguish a difference from a NY legislator and Starbucks? I do.

To be honest, if I were outside minding my own business, drinking my coffee, reading a news paper and vaping. I don't think anyone would say boo about it. Actually, I would be surprised if they did.

I see how you came up with it but I wasn't referring picketing a Starbucks.

 

[StrappedKaos]

If you don't believe that company's control our big American government then you sir have missed almost every law ever passed and pretty much every thing our BAG stands for.... I just know the government goes after anyone trying to take money from their pocket and what's bad for billion dollar company's is bad for BAG.
My entire family works for the BAG in some shape or form and so do you and everyone else that lives in 'murica it's just the truth, you pay taxes so you are on the payroll no if and's or but's. I just think the less ammunition we provide the BAG the better and I agree we should all stand for something I am also smart enough to know what to fight for or against.... My right to vape in public is not really something I choose to battle over as I can vape on or in my property, if they/BAG has a problem with that then I have an issue with it- if a company or place I don't own tells me not to vape I don't see why that is a problem to respect there rules as I don't own them. not trying to start anything just hope others will understand that fighting the man/BAG never ends well for a vaping community as a whole. Strapped

 

[stevegmu]

Do you really believe Starbucks has a direct line to the white house and will call the president and speaker of the house and demand something be done about these pesky vapers?

I do. As we all know, this Administration has been nothing but friendly to business and has worked tirelessly to ensure big and small businesses alike are growing and remain prosperous. They have dealt a terrific blow to the unions, Occupiers and have encouraged growth via the Affordable Care Act. This is clearly the most business-friendly Administration in the history of the US. Oh, wait...

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

I do. As we all know, this Administration has been nothing but friendly to business and has worked tirelessly to ensure big and small businesses alike are growing and remain prosperous. They have dealt a terrific blow to the unions, Occupiers have and encouraged growth via the Affordable Care Act. This is clearly the most business-friendly Administration in the history of the US. Oh, wait...

You do realize there are 535 of em up there...and the president only signs stuff he is given..which means OTHERS come up with the rules, then they vote on the rules...

So it's safe to say it ain't "JUST" the Whitehouse that is the ONLY cause to the problem

 

[Feedbacker]

You can cry about a corporate chain doing as they wish, or you can go get a cup of coffee at a local place and move on. Choice is yours. Even the smallest ....hole towns have a place to get coffee. If you're still going to Starbucks that's your fault.

 

[SissySpike]

Dear Robert,



I just finished reading your email and appreciate you taking the time to share your concerns with us.



Starbucks strives to provide a great environment for our partners (employees) and customers as well as contribute positively to the communities in which we do business. We are committed to ensuring that our stores comply with all applicable state and local laws. Please know that Starbucks partners do their best to politely and professionally manage and inform any customer who may be violating any law or statute pertaining to smoking restrictions. I will share your concern with the management team that oversees this location for their awareness.



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SO you can rest assured Starbucks did not contact Washington and the I did not bring the SWAT teams down upon vapers. Some of you guys crack me up;-)

I promise you I am politically active in alot of things that would bring the gooberment down on me lots quicker that this silly vaping stuff if they were so inclined.

If you dont want to wright a email who cares! But if you sit around and do nothing I promise you regulations will ruin what we know and enjoy. They might even if you try to fight them but I just cant not try.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

BOOM!

I can honestly say I have never purchased a cup of "Fourbucks"

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[DC2]

Realisticaly DC2 I think the Starbucks battle is 'un winnable', with non vapers and non smokers outnumbering vapers and smokers by a gazillion-1 , the 'fat cats' are gonna aim to please the majority,

It's not about how many non-smokers and non-vapers there are, it's about how many are bothered enough to complain.
Regardless, I know that if we don't complain and let them know we're taking our money elsewhere, then we've already lost.

We already know the hardcore anti-smokers will complain every time.
And without fighting back it won't be long before we won't be able to vape anywhere we can't smoke.

Two things about that...
--It may only take one complaint to get a ban put in place, especially if we have been nothing but silent
--The list of places where you can't smoke is getting longer and more egregious every day

 

[stevegmu]

You do realize there are 535 of em up there...and the president only signs stuff he is given..which means OTHERS come up with the rules, then they vote on the rules...

So it's safe to say it ain't "JUST" the Whitehouse that is the ONLY cause to the problem

Unless he bypasses Congress and the Constitution and issues Executive Orders, not that that would ever happen...

It's not about how many non-smokers and non-vapers there are, it's about how many are bothered enough to complain.
Regardless, I know that if we don't complain and let them know we're taking our money elsewhere, then we've already lost.

We already know the hardcore anti-smokers will complain every time.
And without fighting back it won't be long before we won't be able to vape anywhere we can't smoke.

Two things about that...
--It may only take one complaint to get a ban put in place, especially if we have been nothing but silent
--The list of places where you can't smoke is getting longer and more egregious every day

I think it is the smokers who are complaining.

 

[SissySpike]

You do realize there are 535 of em up there...and the president only signs stuff he is given..which means OTHERS come up with the rules, then they vote on the rules...

So it's safe to say it ain't "JUST" the Whitehouse that is the ONLY cause to the problem

Sort of between Bush and Obama they decided the President gets to wright laws to

 

[StrappedKaos]

I don't think it matters about repub's and democrats and they are all just a bowl of crap looking at each other.... all are only ways to make less minded people argue with each other while the real people that control the world laugh at how we argue about who is who... they are all scapegoats in one form or another.... if you really sit back and look at the bigger picture what would you fight against if people would just stop voting repub or dems and vote for someone the government didn't endorse. why do you think ron paul got 3 mins. of air time during the elections because the media is owned by the government and they said show him and we won't keep your lights on... the government is like hey if we keep them fighting over a repub or dem they are to stupid to look at what we are really doing! Strapped

 

[SissySpike]

I think it is the smokers who are complaining.

Yea Some smokers view us as sell outs not only do they have the anti smoker griping at them as of lately they have them pesky Vapers sharing their space!;-)

 

[stevegmu]

Yea Some smokers view us as sell outs not only do they have the anti smoker griping at them as of lately they have them pesky Vapers sharing their space!;-)

I think they are upset because they see vapers enjoying their e-nic, while they can't enjoy their cigarette.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't think it matters about repub's and democrats and they are all just a bowl of crap looking at each other.... all are only ways to make less minded people argue with each other while the real people that control the world laugh at how we argue about who is who... they are all scapegoats in one form or another.... if you really sit back and look at the bigger picture what would you fight against if people would just stop voting repub or dems and vote for someone the government didn't endorse. why do you think ron paul got 3 mins. of air time during the elections because the media is owned by the government and they said show him and we won't keep your lights on... the government is like hey if we keep them fighting over a repub or dem they are to stupid to look at what we are really doing! Strapped

Actually, it does. It isn't Republicans who are behind the local and state anti-vaping legislation. Republicans don't want a nanny state and control of the citizens by the government.

 

[StrappedKaos]

I think you are missing my point.... repubs and democrats really dont have a say infact we the people dont even have a say as it's all corrupt in one way or another.

 

[StrappedKaos]

By the way the DEA is now monitoring us all