Starting a LIST of diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers. Please, keep to JUST listing the supplier names!

[jistjul]

i got tired of hunting and pecking thru the other thread, i dont want to read arguments about diacetyl and politics.
I SIMPLY WANT TO KNOW WHICH SUPPLIERS HAVE DIACETYL-FREE ejuice!

So far I have read the following fit in that category (or i should say, the following suppliers have stated that their ejuices are diacetyl free, as far as they know: And please, yall can help me....the original post may not be, and i am sure is NOT conclusive. I work fulltime so have limited time to update, so I am asking yall for help, feel free to copy and paste my list and add more, and add that post to the top of this thread. That being said, I hope that everyone interested reads the most recent post, to see if someone has added to this list. Thanks yall!
DISCLAIMER:Short of actually supplying independent lab certification(not a manufacturer supplied MSDS or a letter from the vendor's flavor supplier indicating diacetyl free flavor - an actual Certification of Analysis from an independent, recognized lab who tested directly and at random the eliquid(s) in question);
The suppliers on this list have only supplied verbal assurance of the complete absence of diacetyl(and related pulmonotoxic agents) and nothing else. If actual independent lab analysis is available, suppliers will provide the pertinent lab contact info for consumer verification.



Velvet Vapor
Vapor Renu
Totally Wicked
Strictly E-juice
Johnson Creek
DIY
Backwoods Brew
Dekang
Halo
Clouds of Vapor
esmoke
thesmokelesshop
Vapoligy
VapeMasters
Nhaler
Tastyvapes
MadVapes
VaporBomb
Intellicig Ecopure
Tasty Vapor
Mrs T's Bakery
Vaportalk
Juicy Liquid
Liberty Flights
alvinecigs

Suppliers who disclose which flavors have diacetyl:
Pure Vape

Smoque in Chicago does not use Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl or Acetoin.

 

[DaydreamingRobot]

The problem with the whole thread and the idea of safety policeing vaping in general isnt going to work. No one here is backed by a government agency and has no real authority and no moral responsibility, other than that of their own moral compass. This stuff really does need to be regulated by the FDA. I dont want to go back to smoking two packs a day either lol. On the other hand no one is the authority on the safety of the vaping product on the market.

Once more they are unregulated. They can litterally put anything in their juice or devices.

You have no more reason to trust any vaping vendor, any more or less than anyone trusted big tobbaco before regulation.

 

[TheBamse]

ENjuice in the UK states their juices are all diacetyl free.

Excerpt from About ENjuice e-juice - ENjuice
"All our ENjuice flavours are based on natural formulations and are free from artificial colourings and preservatives. All the flavours we use are free of sugars, protein, genetically modified ingredients, animal ingredients of any kind, sweeteners and colours. They are all gluten and peanut free. All ENjuice flavours are free of diacetyl."

 

[Mr.Mann]

The problem with the whole thread and the idea of safety policeing vaping in general isnt going to work. No one here is backed by a government agency and has no real authority and no moral responsibility, other than that of their own moral compass. This stuff really does need to be regulated by the FDA. I dont want to go back to smoking two packs a day either lol. On the other hand no one is the authority on the safety of the vaping product on the market.

Once more they are unregulated. They can literally put anything in their juice or devices.

You have no more reason to trust any vaping vendor, any more or less than anyone trusted big tobbaco before regulation.

Well, have you ever bought a vitamin? I get your point, but other industries where we expect honesty with claims (dietary supplement industry) don't have to be FDA approved/regulated. "Generally, manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA or get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements.* Manufacturers must make sure that product label information is truthful and not misleading." Here

That's we want too.

Anyway, it's good to see some vendors are realizing that to be diacetyl free should be including the substitutes so as to not be "misleading."

Vapedudes are diacetyl free.

From their website:

All of our products are 100% DIACETYL FREE (this includes diacetyl substitutes!!!

Smoque in Chicago does not use Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl or Acetoin.

 

[TexasVet]

Vapor Chef. Now, I listed one, but I have to say this.

IMO, it's dishonest, ignorant, or a willfully misleading sales tactic to proclaim that "We sell diacetyl free liquids" when in reality, if they sell buttery/custard type vapes, they sell liquids that contain diacetyl substitutes that are essentially diacetyl in disguise.

Now, I am not saying that inhaling diacetyl or its substitutes is bad in moderation (though I prefer not to vape those flavorings), but I am saying that if you think "diacetyl free" is not just marketing, look up these terms: acetoin (acetyl methyl carbinol), acetyl propionyl (2,3 pentanedione/PD) or diacetyl substitutes.

If a vendor says "diacetyl free," just ask them if they use any diacetyl substitutes to be clear. Just like Vapor Chef says on its website: Our flavor extracts come from reliable safe sources, are diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin free, and are specifically formulated for vaping.

I agree that the research is correct and I also researched this very discussion BEFORE I started vaping, to include ancient (really, really old) definitions of Caramel when a question came up about 'butter flavor'
Caramel is a burnt sugar or burnt cane to be more precise. Butter or 'buttery flavor' is more about custard
"water soluble
This is a liquid butter flavor similar to movie popcorn butter.
It does contain "Custard" ingredients. This flavor contains Acetoin, and a small amount of
Acetyl Propionate."
Perfumers Apprentice - Butter Flavor

 

[CheriePie]

Since the original title of this thread was looking only for diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers, with no concern for substitutes, I feel compelled to add Nicoticket to the list, especially since there are probably several names on this list that do contain diacetyl substitutes.

That said, even though the pages for Custard's Last Stand and Creme Brulee state that they are diacetyl-free, a recent PM convo with the owner of Nicoticket confirmed that those liquids do indeed contain diacetyl substitutes, specifically acetyl propionyl (2,3 pentanedione) and acetoin (acetyl methyl carbinol).

But for reasons stated above, I'm gonna go ahead and update Seabrook's list from page 16 with a note next to the Nicoticket entry since they are indeed diacetyl-free, and that's what this list is. I think it would be nice if the rest of the entries on this list contained such a note as well since as I said, I'm sure many others are in the same boat.



Ahlusion
Alice in Vapeland
Alien Visions
Altcig
Alvinecigs
Backwoods Brew
Bluemistvaping
Cignot
Clouds of Vapor
Dekang
DIY
Eastmall
ECBlend
Esmoke
Good Prophets
GourmetVapor
Halocigs
Heather's Heavenly Vapes
HellaVapor
Highbrow Vapor
Intellicig Ecopure
Ivape.net
Johnson Creek
Juicy Liquid
Juicy Vapor
Liberty Flights
MadVapes
MisterELiquid
Mom and Pops
Ms T's Bakery
Nhaler
Nicoticket (contains substitutes, but no diacetyl)
PrimeVaping
Rocky Mountain Vapor
Strictly E-Juice
Tastyvapes
TastyVapor
thesmokelesshop
TotallyWicked
Unsmoke.us
VapeMasters
Vapoligy
VaporRenu
Vaportalk
VelvetVapor
Vermillion River
Viking Vapor
Voidmist
Want2vape
WordupEcig

 

[vjc0628]

Since the original title of this thread was looking only for diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers, with no concern for substitutes, I feel compelled to add Nicoticket to the list, especially since there are probably several names on this list that do contain diacetyl substitutes.

That said, even though the pages for Custard's Last Stand and Creme Brulee state that they are diacetyl-free, a recent PM convo with the owner of Nicoticket confirmed that those liquids do indeed contain diacetyl substitutes, specifically acetyl propionyl (2,3 pentanedione) and acetoin (acetyl methyl carbinol).

But for reasons stated above, I'm gonna go ahead and update Seabrook's list from page 16 with a note next to the Nicoticket entry since they are indeed diacetyl-free, and that's what this list is. I think it would be nice if the rest of the entries on this list contained such a note as well since as I said, I'm sure many others are in the same boat.



Ahlusion
Alice in Vapeland
Alien Visions
Altcig
Alvinecigs
Backwoods Brew
Bluemistvaping
Cignot
Clouds of Vapor
Dekang
DIY
Eastmall
ECBlend
Esmoke
Good Prophets
GourmetVapor
Halocigs
Heather's Heavenly Vapes
HellaVapor
Highbrow Vapor
Intellicig Ecopure
Ivape.net
Johnson Creek
Juicy Liquid
Juicy Vapor
Liberty Flights
MadVapes
MisterELiquid
Mom and Pops
Ms T's Bakery
Nhaler
Nicoticket (contains substitutes, but no diacetyl)
PrimeVaping
Rocky Mountain Vapor
Strictly E-Juice
Tastyvapes
TastyVapor
thesmokelesshop
TotallyWicked
Unsmoke.us
VapeMasters
Vapoligy
VaporRenu
Vaportalk
VelvetVapor
Vermillion River
Viking Vapor
Voidmist
Want2vape
WordupEcig

I agree if rest of the entries on this list contained such a note as well

otherwise this list is a waste of time

 

[freelinuxer]

I am not sure if this is still true about vaperite e-juice. (someone reporting that vaperite juice containing diacetyl.
http://webby.hazasite.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1izjh9/bad_vaperite_experience_diaceytl/

Anyone can verify ? Just want to feel safe since I am not a chemist.
I was gonna order 60ml of VR4 (organic RY4). then this post stopped me ..
I could not find any specific info from vaperite website about "diaceytl free" statement.
If I missed it, please kindly point me to it.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I am not sure if this is still true about vaperite e-juice. (someone reporting that vaperite juice containing diacetyl.
http://webby.hazasite.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1izjh9/bad_vaperite_experience_diaceytl/

Anyone can verify ? Just want to feel safe since I am not a chemist.
I was gonna order 60ml of VR4 (organic RY4). then this post stopped me ..
I could not find any specific info from vaperite website about "diaceytl free" statement.
If I missed it, please kindly point me to it.
Thanks in advance.

Yes, Vaperite does sale liquids containing diacetyl, but they disclose which are which. In this case, what I believe sets them apart from some other supposed "diacetyl free" vendors is that with Vaperite, you at least know which ones contain diacetyl and some other vendors won't disclose--out of ignorance or negligence--which liquids contain the substitutes (or even diacetyl itself). It would be nice if we could always make the choice, but a lot of things would be nice--I guess.

For those minds that are scientifically inclined (not mine, LOL), the molecular formula of dicaetyl vs. a substitute:

C₄H₆O₂ (Diacetyl)

C₅H₈O₂ (Acetylpropionyl/2,3 pentanedione--a diacetyl substitute)

 

[freelinuxer]

Yes, Vaperite does sale liquids containing diacetyl, but they disclose which are which. In this case, what I believe sets them apart from some other supposed "diacetyl free" vendors is that with Vaperite, you at least know which ones contain diacetyl and some other vendors won't disclose--out of ignorance or negligence--which liquids contain the substitutes (or even diacetyl itself). It would be nice if we could always make the choice, but a lot of things would be nice--I guess.

For those minds that are scientifically inclined (not mine, LOL), the molecular formula of dicaetyl vs. a substitute:

C₄H₆O₂ (Diacetyl)

C₅H₈O₂ (Acetylpropionyl/2,3 pentanedione--a diacetyl substitute)

Thank you for the information. I got the reply back from vaperite, and their most selling VR4 (their version of RY4) indeed contains diacetyl although it's not indicated in the description of the juice. Just want to share this with other vapers so that they are informed before order it.
I almost ordered 60 ml of it.. and now I am sad losing another choice in RY4. Saying that, I think most RY4 out there would be 'not-so-safe'...

At least highbrow vapor does not seem to use any of those. Here's my question and Bryan's answer by email.

me:
Hello, Bryan,
If I may bother you with one more question…
I read many threads in ECF saying basically buttery/vanilla/caramel flavors must have trace of diacetyl to
achieve buttery flavor …
Is it true statement ? If so, is it possible Highbrow e-liquid might contain trace amount of diacetyl,acetoin or acetyl propionyl
unknowingly ?

Bryan:
...
...
We have taken precautions to avoid diacetyl in our liquids entirely.
Great question. We have verified with the vendors that provide such flavorings for us that this is indeed not the case.
...

I also posted a question on nudenicotin supplier thread, but not getting answers from the supplier.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...r-nn-chemistry-related-questions-here-19.html

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thank you for the information. I got the reply back from vaperite, and their most selling VY4 (their version of RY4) indeed contains diacetyl although it's not indicated in the description of the juice. Just want to share this with other vapers so that they are informed before order it.
I almost ordered 60 ml of it.. and now I am sad losing another choice in RY4. Saying that, I think most RY4 out there would not be 'not-so-safe'...

At least highbrow vapor does not seem to use any of those. Here's my question and Bryan's answer by email.


I also posted a question on nudenicotin supplier thread, but not getting answers from the supplier.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...r-nn-chemistry-related-questions-here-19.html

Wow, just as soon as I thought they had labelled all of their liquids that contained it! Sheesh!

As for what Bryan said, I've seen a lot of similar responses when I ask about the substitutes. They say, we don't use diacetyl. It's generally a bit ambiguous how they leave the substitutes unmentioned in responses (although one could argue his line about "such flavorings" was in reference to the substitutes), but these vendors are quick to specifically address diacetyl. I think from now on I won't even ask about diacetyl, I'll just ask about the substitutes. A definitive question. "Do you use diacetyl substitutes (acetoin, acetylpropionyl or any other "substitutes")? Yes or no.

Of course, a vendor can still truthfully state that they don't themselves use diacetyl or substitutes when in reality the flavoring companies may. Hell, some vendors don't even make their own liquid. It's not exactly the easiest terrain to navigate.

Frankly, I happen to be more of a researcher on this tip since that flavor/note isn't exactly on my to-vape list.

 

[freelinuxer]

Wow, just as soon as I thought they had labelled all of their liquids that continad it! Sheesh!

As for what Bryan said, I've seen a lot of similar responses when I ask about the substitutes. They say, we don't use diacetyl. It's generally a bit ambiguous how they leave the substitutes unmentioned in responses (although one could argue his line about "such flavorings" was in reference to the substitutes), but these vendors are quick to specifically address diacetyl. I think from now on I won't even ask about diacetyl, I'll just ask about the substitutes. A definitive question. "Do you use diacetyl substitutes (acetoin, acetylpropionyl or any other "substitutes")? Yes or no.

Of course, a vendor can still truthfully state that they don't themselves use diacetyl or substitutes when in reality the flavoring companies may. Hell, some vendors don't even make their own liquid. It's not exactly the easiest terrain to navigate.

Frankly, I happen to be more of a researcher on this tip since that flavor/note isn't exactly on my to-vape list.

I couldn't agree more with you. All we have is the words, and we have no option but to trust their statement. I wish there's 3rd party or website that tests various e-juices out there. I would even pay for membership or donate if there's such.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I couldn't agree more with you. All we have is the words, and we have no option but to trust their statement. I wish there's 3rd party or website that tests various e-juices out there. I would even pay for membership or donate if there's such.

Crazy thing is, even with that, generally all you would have is still their word! It's rare (if ever happening) that when vendors "test" their liquids that you have one of two things: published results per batch (or certificates of analysis per batch) and/or the results interpreted by a qualified individual (both being essential if that sort of thing matters to you).

Yes, at the end of the day, it all comes down to trust. Unfortunately, my capacity for trust is wearing thin in a game where money is made hand-over-fist. It's sad really, but one liquid I do "trust" from a vendor I "trust" is in the UK (Intellicig--check out the EcoPure tab to see the info on testing) and they don't ship to the US. It takes money (for an already expensive liquid) to ship to a third-party overseas and then to me. But, these are the things we do to get what we want.

p.s. For a vendor like Intellicig that only makes a few liquids, that type of rigorous testing is much more feasible (yet still rare). For vendors with saturated menus, that type of testing per batch ain't possible, unless it's from a juggernaut like Dekang or the like.

 

[firephly]

an article about it here
Diacetyl- Risks, Prevalence, and Precautions

 

[vjc0628]

an article about it here
Diacetyl- Risks, Prevalence, and Precautions

wow I did not know caramel was a concern

I vape a lot with caramel
but I think Ahlusion makes sure the is nothing to be concerned with there juice

I do get some caramel other places as well

oboy

 

[clnire]

an article about it here
Diacetyl- Risks, Prevalence, and Precautions

he he he, I'm the Cathy mentioned in the article. When I first heard of and read the disclosure I fired a msg off to Spinfuel (last Sunday night). Within an hour I received a reply from Dave Foster, the forum admin, that they were not aware of this and would check it out. I think John Castle has a nice talent for putting technical jargon into terms everyone can understand. I, myself, respect MOV for taking the action they did and I will continue to be a customer.

 

[ShariR]

How true! I find that a number of vendors, when asked about diacetyl and its substitutes, clearly respond that they do not use diacetyl but never mention the substitutes at all. When asked a second time the follow up tends to be a repeat of the original response that they do not use diacetyl, maybe worded a little differently, with no new information regarding the substitutes. The experience I have had with responses is many rely on what their ingredient source tells them. End of communication. The ball is passed back to their supplier which is not disclosed to the consumer in most instances. Hard to track down a definitive answer. Caveat emptor.

Wow, just as soon as I thought they had labelled all of their liquids that contained it! Sheesh!

As for what Bryan said, I've seen a lot of similar responses when I ask about the substitutes. They say, we don't use diacetyl. It's generally a bit ambiguous how they leave the substitutes unmentioned in responses (although one could argue his line about "such flavorings" was in reference to the substitutes), but these vendors are quick to specifically address diacetyl. I think from now on I won't even ask about diacetyl, I'll just ask about the substitutes. A definitive question. "Do you use diacetyl substitutes (acetoin, acetylpropionyl or any other "substitutes")? Yes or no.

Of course, a vendor can still truthfully state that they don't themselves use diacetyl or substitutes when in reality the flavoring companies may. Hell, some vendors don't even make their own liquid. It's not exactly the easiest terrain to navigate.

Frankly, I happen to be more of a researcher on this tip since that flavor/note isn't exactly on my to-vape list.

 

[firephly]

The maker of Grizzly Vapes is a chemist by trade and has stated that he does not use anything that might contain even a trace of diactyl (which is why he will never make a custard). U.S.A. E-Liquid

 

[Panga13]

Vapor Chef. Now, I listed one, but I have to say this.

The question needs to be: what vendors are free of diacetyl, acetoin (acetyl methyl carbinol) acetyl propionyl (2,3 pentanedione/PD) or any of the diacetyl substitutes(?). Many of the "substitutes" are themselves so close to diacetyl that now the concern for occupational hazards is pertaining to the inhalation of diacetyl and diacetyl substitutes.

IMO, it's dishonest, ignorant, or a willfully misleading sales tactic to proclaim that "We sell diacetyl free liquids" when in reality, if they sell buttery/custard type vapes, they sell liquids that contain diacetyl substitutes that are essentially diacetyl in disguise.

That's the big thing to know, like stated on PA's website: "[p]retty much by definition, a vanilla custard flavor, no matter who makes it, will have both acetoin and acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl) in it."

Now, I am not saying that inhaling diacetyl or its substitutes is bad in moderation (though I prefer not to vape those flavorings), but I am saying that if you think "diacetyl free" is not just marketing, look up these terms: acetoin (acetyl methyl carbinol), acetyl propionyl (2,3 pentanedione/PD) or diacetyl substitutes.

If a vendor says "diacetyl free," just ask them if they use any diacetyl substitutes to be clear. Just like Vapor Chef says on its website: Our flavor extracts come from reliable safe sources, are diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin free, and are specifically formulated for vaping.

Once again, I am not saying diacetyl is bad (though I want none), but know that if you MUST have custard or buttery vapes (buttery pancakes, waffles, popcorn, etc.,), you're likely messing with the diacetyl family of flavors! Just ask to be sure if you care one way or the other. And by no means are the diacetyl substitutes only used in vapes labeled "buttery" or "custard," you have to ask to be sure.

Resource: CDC - Flavorings-Related Lung Disease: Exposures to Flavoring Chemicals - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

Vapor Chef about page has changed and no longer includes the words "acetyl propionyl and acetoin free"

Hello, and welcome! Here at The Vapor Chef we pride ourselves on quality. Not only in our product, but also our service. All of our vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol is USP certified and all our nicotine bases are american made. Our flavor extracts come from reliable safe sources, are diacetyl free, and are specifically formulated for vaping. We mix all of our juice fresh when you order and ship within 72 hours. We never add any sweeteners, color, water or alcohol to our juice and we don't use WTA extracts.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Vapor Chef about page has changed and no longer includes the words "acetyl propionyl and acetoin free"

Hello, and welcome! Here at The Vapor Chef we pride ourselves on quality. Not only in our product, but also our service. All of our vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol is USP certified and all our nicotine bases are american made. Our flavor extracts come from reliable safe sources, are diacetyl free, and are specifically formulated for vaping. We mix all of our juice fresh when you order and ship within 72 hours. We never add any sweeteners, color, water or alcohol to our juice and we don't use WTA extracts.

Good catch. I liked to get a response from TVC if possible.