Pretty much everything you said in that post.
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Probably anything about me. The man seems to dislike me with an abiding passion. I made fun of his avatar’s shirt once.
Okay, your argument is persuasive. Mechs are extremely popular, and becoming more so. In fact, they're beginning to pop up in convenience stores everywhere. It just seems that the introduction of pod systems outnumbers that of mods/atties of all types by a very large margin. I guess I can't stock up on what I use now if I choose. Our government won't regulate vaping to the point that only big players with big money can participate. And I won't quit vaping if it gets bad. That just about covers all my errors in the post.
We're not that special, Bomb- seems he throws around red X's as if he gets compensated for each one.
I mean, this is a forum, meant for discussion - it's better for everyone when someone challenges your statements with logic, or at least a reasoned opinion, instead of just shouting "WRONG!"
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I didn't shout wrong. I indicated that I disagree with your statement. PERIOD. You make a stupid statement of the vape industry based on what you can buy in a convenience store and then get all butthurt when someone disagrees. Here's a news flash for you. Most people don't buy their vape supplies at a 7-11. If the FDA has their way you won't be able to buy any vape supplies at 7-11 anymore. Calm down snowflake. It's ok to have someone disagree with a stupid statement. You can give me a red X on all my posts and I really couldn't care less.
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I actually disagree with this, at least in the US. Pods are the newest tech and thus are definitely subject to the PMTA process, and while BT can afford it, the FDA seems largely against these devices because these are what teens are gravitating toward. To that end, I see pods facing a much steeper uphill battle than the regulated mod and tanks many of us use.
Please stop with the "poor innocent me, I'm just a victim, everyone is out to get me" shtick. No one is out to get you.
Well, I made several statements, not one. And you didn't indicate which ones were stupid, or why. The only feelings hurt here seem to be yours - I was just curious exactly why you disagreed, but the question seems to have inflamed your hemorrhoids. Sorry about that.
Okay, it appears my biggest mistake was the convenience store reference. If you're interested in newsflashes, here's one: the value of Juul likely dwarfs that of all mod & atty makers combined. Do you think Altria invested almost $13B in Juul so they could sell them in isolated mom & pop vape shops around the country? Just because you don't see the pioneers and hobbyists on this forum buying them doesn't mean that pods don't constitute the majority of the market already. Juul's projected 2019 sales: $3.4B. Even if you assumed all sales came from $50 kits, rather than pods, that would be 68 million units in a year. That's pretty popular (maybe more popular than mechs), and that's only Juul. All the traditional vape mfgs are jumping on the pod train at tremendous pace. Most of Juul sales aren't thru vape shops or even online, so your newsflash just may be fake. Maybe most people you know don't buy their vape supplies at convenience stores, but it's a safe assumption that most sales aren't through vape shops either.
See below- here's how it's done. Scott disagrees, and uses his brain to present a reasoned opinion that gives me a valid viewpoint to consider, rather than a foot stamping, angry, visceral reaction with knee jerk attempts at insult that only expose ignorance and anger.
Honestly, I see Altria's investment in JUUL more as a hedge bet than anything else. It's kind of like owning a stock (Altria's main business) then buying an option to sell that stock at a price slightly below what you paid (the JUUL investment). You are wanting your stock to gain in value, but if the value falls too low the option limits your potential loss. In this case Altria is betting that if their primary business loses money, that some of that can be offset by profits in JUUL. If JUUL completely fails, Altria will just write off that investment and their primary business will probably start growing again as former JUUL users start smoking. They don't really care either way.
All that said, I do agree 100% that as of right now, pods are probably the largest and fastest growing market segment of all ENDS products. Sadly that is largely due to the heavy teen adoption of pods (and JUUL specifically) which is precisely why I see them with the biggest bulls eye on their back. The latest from the FDA states that they will start enforcing the PMTA process and possible flavor bans for pod type systems starting 30 DAYS after these latest changes are finalized. Which means in the next few months we could see a lot of these pod systems being banned and/or limited to tobacco and menthol flavors and possibly even limited to vape shop only sales. Once that happens I fully expect to see sales of these systems take a hit. I could be wrong. Maybe these companies have already accounted for this somehow. If not for this pending enforcement from the FDA I would agree with your assessment of the future of pods. For now, the fact remains the FDA is coming after pod systems hard and fast.
Again my assessment is for the US only. Other countries where pods are not being singled out and targeted by the government, I do see them becoming a very large share of the market.
I think at one time they were a lot more commonplace. Back then when I first started vaping I had a choice of the Vamo lightsaber or a Stingray clone. I tried the Vamo, it didn't make me feel like a Jedi... it just sucked and made me feel daft using it. The kind shop owner let me have the Stingray instead but made absolutely sure I was clued up on safety. The vape I got off that mod with an RDA was a major factor in quitting smokes.
These days they seem more niche products but still have their fans in the UK. One online shop I use gets small quantities of high end mechs but they always seem to sell. To be honest I love the aesthetics of mechs so they can be attractive from a collector point of view. Useful too if the day should ever come that we can't buy decent kit and have to put up with pod systems. I still have two Gus mechs and two GP Paps that will always stay in my collection.
These days they seem more niche products but still have their fans in the UK. One online shop I use gets small quantities of high end mechs but they always seem to sell. To be honest I love the aesthetics of mechs so they can be attractive from a collector point of view. Useful too if the day should ever come that we can't buy decent kit and have to put up with pod systems. I still have two Gus mechs and two GP Paps that will always stay in my collection.
He tried to make me come after him not too long ago.
On topic: mech mods are a way of life. To make mech mods go away, you'd have to make life go away.
“make you?” How praytell? You seem to “come after” me randomly as far as I can tell. That or I was replying to disagree with some statement you made. Does disagreement “make you” do things?He tried to make me come after him not too long ago.
I don’t think mech mods will go away completely period, and I suspect that if/when battery technology makes its next leap there will be a major resurgence. The problem with mechs is not mech technology, it is current battery technology.
Why else did you create your own thread in the "Outside" portion of the forum, if not simply for the fact your own disagreement is what's making you do things?
My vape growing a tiny little bit weaker with every hit that I take isn't that much of a problem to me, and, all the usual online crying about the safety just enhances my happy mood, as I still believe all the time that's been wasted by creating such drama against mechs would have been better spent towards trying to educate yourself more about that particular subject. The primary reasons why I adhere to mechs are because with advanced coil builds on them I am capable to get better flavor in cohort with how the vape feels very distinctly different when compared to any regulated mod, and, mechs don't break easily so I don't have to carry around a backup with me everywhere I go. The only real problem with mechs is some people either can't learn or refuse to learn how to use them so mechs become an easy target to those who need a scapegoat for just about everything that has gone wrong with their own life.
I haven't carried more than one mod with me...ever. I have also never broken, lost, or had one die on me. I did carry two eGo batteries with me to work years ago when I worked in an office, but only because one didn't last all day.
I see this sentiment a LOT, but that is a cop out. You can study, learn and practice until you know more about mechs than any human ever has or ever will, but that will still not protect you from "Murphey's Law". I gave some real examples earlier in this thread. Sometimes accidents and things beyond your control can happen and when it does, you have to ask yourself if you want some protection or not.
I view it like wearing a seat belt. You can be the best driver in the world and keep up with all the maintenance on your car. Then one day driving down the highway something happens. Maybe the brake line ruptures or maybe the linkage to the accelerator breaks and through zero fault of your own, you are in a high speed accident. Would you want to be wearing that seat belt or not?
Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT trying to say that people should not use mechs. If it's your choice to not wear a seat belt, I am not going to be the one writing you a ticket. However I am getting pretty damn tired of mech users essentially saying that I am somehow stupid or lazy because I choose to wear my seat belt, and that is exactly what you are saying with "can't learn or refuse to learn". I DO know how to "use a mech properly". I know all of the equations, all of the safety, all of the electrical theory, everything. My education is in Computer and Robotic design with emphasis on designing circuits, and a mech is the simplest form of circuit. I have known and used Ohm's Law and Watt's Law for decades longer than I have been vaping. I simply choose not to use mechs. That does not make me stupid or lazy.
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. That was my attempt to move a thread which was against form rules in the location it was in to a location where it was not. AFAIK the only location where it was not.
I would have been perfectly happy personally to continue there, but the forum rules made sense. It wasn’t about vaping, really. So I complied voluntarily. It was no less compulsory though. IF the discussion was to continue at all, it had to continue there.
this is about the “balloon effect” I take it. Some people don’t mind the balloon effect, some do. I find it to be more of a leveled thing personally. “Nice level”, “not so nice level”, “annoying but not enough to be worth changing the battery out”, and “this is so lame it isn’t worth vaping”. I find that to keep it at “nice” I have to carry 2-3 times as many batteries as I normally would.
this is also pretty common. There are a couple factors that contribute to this as I see it. One is “caveman have fire!”, another is simple shaudenfreude. There may be others of course, and none of those may apply to you personally. Everyone is different.
I used mechs exclusively for multiple years without knowing much about them. I even blew batteries up twice because of it. Luckily what little knowledge I had at the time which was don’t use unsafe batteries, was enough to save me from serious injury. As I learned more about them I became less comfortable with them. How do you feel my education is deficient in this area?
This is one of those “applies to many but not all” situations as I understand it. The factor as I understand it, is the behavior of coil heating under continuous voltage vs the pulsed nature of a regulated mod. Some can detect it and some can’t. As someone capable of detecting something I can’t, we’re you able to try “bypass” mode which is available on some regulated mods? I don’t know if it’s still affected by pulsing or not. I can’t tell.
Arguably true, depending on both the particular mech and the regulated mod. I’ve had some quite fragile mechs, all of them pipe mods, and some pretty rugged regulated mods, namely rubber armored ageises. In general and on average I would have to agree with you. I don’t think there has been a mech ever made which is more fragile than the average SMOK VV device. Those things are like china cups, except china cups don’t occasionally suddenly disintegrate from just sitting there
I disagree, somewhat. IMHO the only problem with mechs is the current crop of batteries.
They have so much energy in them that it overwhelms old style complete containment designs and actually makes them more dangerous than modern ones because of the whole “ incindiary grenade” brew up chain reaction event that happens with modern batteries. Modern mods have pressure relief holes to solve the complete containment brew up issue, but that venting may still cause issues of its own. I at least don’t know how powerful the gas jets caused by those relief holes of a venting battery are. It could be something as mild as a quick fart. It could also be a foot long rocket flame. I just don’t know. I would very much like to.
As for the “scapegoat for everything gone wrong with their life” issue that seems invented whole cloth. I’m going to ignore it completely as it appears to be some sort of personal argument bait and has nothing to do with actual issues.
I hope that in my reply I did not give off that attitude of " people that dont use mechs are lazy, blah , blah blah" I respect everyones style of vaping, after all, who the hell cares how you quit smoking cigarettes, its vaping and we should be happy for that.
Like I mentioned, if your style of vaping enjoyment or success means that you like using a regulated device then more power to you. My builds lend themselves fine with mechs. My taste in gear has always lead me to mechs.
Seems like even in a community with the same goal, which is "VAPE" not smoke human nature still ends up dividing itself to what "I do this, and no one else needs, should etc, do different. " It started with variable voltage started then that divided itself to those that thought variable wattage was better, then those that vaped at resistance vs 1.5 and down to 1.0 and then the sub ohm vs what some thought was needed. THen cloud chasers vs non clouds, where do we draw the line.
WHO cares, no one should. If it keeps one off smoking fine, just respect others around you.
No matter your method of vape, enjoy it and respect your gear. Dont put others down and start with the gear shaming, not everyone wants to make this a "way of life" or a hobby etc.
JUST VAPE dont smoke and be safe.
Like I mentioned, if your style of vaping enjoyment or success means that you like using a regulated device then more power to you. My builds lend themselves fine with mechs. My taste in gear has always lead me to mechs.
Seems like even in a community with the same goal, which is "VAPE" not smoke human nature still ends up dividing itself to what "I do this, and no one else needs, should etc, do different. " It started with variable voltage started then that divided itself to those that thought variable wattage was better, then those that vaped at resistance vs 1.5 and down to 1.0 and then the sub ohm vs what some thought was needed. THen cloud chasers vs non clouds, where do we draw the line.
WHO cares, no one should. If it keeps one off smoking fine, just respect others around you.
No matter your method of vape, enjoy it and respect your gear. Dont put others down and start with the gear shaming, not everyone wants to make this a "way of life" or a hobby etc.
JUST VAPE dont smoke and be safe.
Do you remember what some of us (mostly those of us who have been parents of teenagers at some point) were saying when the FDA started in on the evils of Juul?
We said that if the FDA wanted to stop teen use they needed to say how great pods were - not fearmonger because nothing drives a teenager to do something like telling them it's bad....
I thought this so much so that I felt the FDA was actually attempting to kickstart widespread teen use, not discourage it...
Pods are still the one device that is integrated enough that all aspects can be controlled, and regulated.
This Juul is evil warpath might be doing exactly what they intend it to do, even yet... because the number of tobacco users among teenagers never changed, what has changed is what is being used in order to get nicotine i.e. use has gone from analogs to electronic among youth.. but total numbers are about the same.
They don't care about us or whether or not we quit smoking, we are nearing the end of our lives and for some of us vaping came too late..
Who they care about are the teenagers and the next generation of tobacco users.. and it seems to me they are encouraging a wholesale switch to electronic cigarettes, and keeping the same amount of users in the end..
And that is over money and taxes.. smokers pay what no other industry pays in taxes, and they aren't willing to give that up in the next gen.
I still believe, as a result, that it will be pods to pass the regulatory process, with very few hobby-type devices (what we use) making it through..
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