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Well I've now been 2 wks off the stupid cigarettes (again!), and I've discovered how extremely helpful WTA is for beating cravings... so I'm gonna go out on a limb and HUZZAH! that I seem to have kicked my smoking addiction in the .... AGAIN! HUZZAH! Yippee! and all that. No I'm not going to get all cocky and assume that I'll NEVER EVER smoke again, though that is my intention, because I've seen for myself how sometimes feces occurs and wrecks your best plans... but I'm really pleased, BEYOND pleased, that e-cigs have helped me do this not just once, but twice now, with so little discomfort. These things are truly a godsend, really I think each of us has been led to this, by the Spirit, by a guardian angel, by whatever you conceive of as your Higher Power. And that's one reason I don't think the FDA, BT, BP, TPTB, or even those crazy self-righteous ANTZ will be able to totally wreck all this; I think it's a spiritual phenomenon, to aid so many suffering smokers in getting past this horrible, deadly addiction. Yep, I said it, and I'll defend it to anyone: I think "God" (as you conceive of your Higher Power!) is on our side.

Just my humble opinion of course. YMMV! ;)

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Andria,

HUZZAH for you and kudos. That is wonderfully awesome. And so good that you posted. It really does make a difference for those still struggling. I know, because I am still struggling lol.
Fell completely off the wagon yesterday myself. Ah well, I will save that for another post.
Point is, good for you. Good good good for you. So happy for you.

About WTA, are you getting it premixed or DIY? Am curious to look into it. Where do you get yours?


Well I've now been 2 wks off the stupid cigarettes (again!), and I've discovered how extremely helpful WTA is for beating cravings... so I'm gonna go out on a limb and HUZZAH! that I seem to have kicked my smoking addiction in the .... AGAIN! HUZZAH! Yippee! and all that. No I'm not going to get all cocky and assume that I'll NEVER EVER smoke again, though that is my intention, because I've seen for myself how sometimes feces occurs and wrecks your best plans... but I'm really pleased, BEYOND pleased, that e-cigs have helped me do this not just once, but twice now, with so little discomfort. These things are truly a godsend, really I think each of us has been led to this, by the Spirit, by a guardian angel, by whatever you conceive of as your Higher Power. And that's one reason I don't think the FDA, BT, BP, TPTB, or even those crazy self-righteous ANTZ will be able to totally wreck all this; I think it's a spiritual phenomenon, to aid so many suffering smokers in getting past this horrible, deadly addiction. Yep, I said it, and I'll defend it to anyone: I think "God" (as you conceive of your Higher Power!) is on our side.

Just my humble opinion of course. YMMV! ;)

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So I was saying fell of the wagon yesterday. But it is kind of a good thing.
I learned something about my triggers. Or at least, something became a little more clearer.

I said that stress has been a big trigger, but that isn't entirely true. I think a bigger thing for me is exhaustion.
Had a really busy day Wednesday. I worked outside all day. By the end of the day, my brains were like mush, I was so tired. But I was very, very motivated working Wednesday. And that motivation also bled into other things. For the first time in a long time, I took my PV outside with me while I work, shuffling off the "I will just smoke when I work to protect my gear when I am outside" excuse.
Then Thursday, I had a really bad day. And I started to put things together.

Wednesday night, being tired, there was a three-pronged attack. 1) too tired to combat stressors. 2) tired mind making small stressor look worse than they are (that is to say, not only was I not dealing with stress properly, but it didn't stay status quo - my tired mind amplified everything) and 3) i am tired, and smoking is easier right now.

I don't think stress alone is doing it. Nothing has changed in the circumstances in this season of my life right now. In fact, in certain ways, things are looking better. But when I am tired, I don't cope as well. Things blow out of proportion. And I just don't feel like fighting the urge to smoke, deal with gear, refilling etc.

I think I am focusing my vaping efforts when I am feeling good. The idea being that when I feel motivated to vape, I should jump on that and build some momentum. And maybe that is what I should do. But I also am thinking, when I feel good, I prefer to vape. I don't really need to "try" during that time. Save my "resistance energy" for the times I DONT feel like vaping. prepare myself to fight, not on fresh days, but on tired days.

I dunno, just a thought. Point is, I see my patterns a little better.
 

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Andria,

HUZZAH for you and kudos. That is wonderfully awesome. And so good that you posted. It really does make a difference for those still struggling. I know, because I am still struggling lol.
Fell completely off the wagon yesterday myself. Ah well, I will save that for another post.
Point is, good for you. Good good good for you. So happy for you.

About WTA, are you getting it premixed or DIY? Am curious to look into it. Where do you get yours?

Actually I've got two different kinds, from two sources, though I've only tried one of them so far -- the WTA-infused Virginia, from aromaejuice.com. It's 12mg so I have to add a bit of my own Virginia to bring it down to about 10mg, but it seems to work very well, even slightly diluted; I think I'm probably going to order more of it, because it's 70/30 PG/VG, a lot closer to the PG/VG proportion I like than the other I have.

The other I have is 17mg unflavored from wholecig.com, and it was only $9.95, but I'm going to have to dilute that one a lot more, not just because it's so much higher mg, but I discovered that it's 100% VG, which doesn't suit my lungs at all. I'll have to add about 7 parts other ejuices to one part of the WTA to bring the PG up to about 68%, which is still a little too much VG for me, but it's at least doable, if I also add just a trace of water to thin it a little. But since it's unflavored, I'll be able to add it to some of my sweet flavors. I'm also considering just mixing it half and half with plain PG, which would bring it to 8.5mg, close to my preferred strength, and at 50/50 PG/VG it wouldn't be so hard to bring up the PG percentage with other ejuices. I don't know why in the world so many places insist on such a high level of VG, when it's so horrible for some people's lungs.

aromaejuice.com also has unflavored, but it's 25mg, wayyyyyy too strong for me, and it costs quite a bit, and it's *also* 100% VG. Their WTA Virginia was just $12, a little more costly than regular ejuice, but apparently the process of refining it to keep the whole alkaloid spectrum is more involved, and not nearly as many are doing it, so it's an acceptable expense, especially considering how well it really does work -- at least, it did and does for me. Unfortunately the only shipping option they offer is 2-day priority, which costs $6, so the total expense for it is $18 -- more than I can spend right now, until payday which is a week from today.

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So I was saying fell of the wagon yesterday. But it is kind of a good thing.
I learned something about my triggers. Or at least, something became a little more clearer.

I said that stress has been a big trigger, but that isn't entirely true. I think a bigger thing for me is exhaustion.
Had a really busy day Wednesday. I worked outside all day. By the end of the day, my brains were like mush, I was so tired. But I was very, very motivated working Wednesday. And that motivation also bled into other things. For the first time in a long time, I took my PV outside with me while I work, shuffling off the "I will just smoke when I work to protect my gear when I am outside" excuse.
Then Thursday, I had a really bad day. And I started to put things together.

Wednesday night, being tired, there was a three-pronged attack. 1) too tired to combat stressors. 2) tired mind making small stressor look worse than they are (that is to say, not only was I not dealing with stress properly, but it didn't stay status quo - my tired mind amplified everything) and 3) i am tired, and smoking is easier right now.

I don't think stress alone is doing it. Nothing has changed in the circumstances in this season of my life right now. In fact, in certain ways, things are looking better. But when I am tired, I don't cope as well. Things blow out of proportion. And I just don't feel like fighting the urge to smoke, deal with gear, refilling etc.

I think I am focusing my vaping efforts when I am feeling good. The idea being that when I feel motivated to vape, I should jump on that and build some momentum. And maybe that is what I should do. But I also am thinking, when I feel good, I prefer to vape. I don't really need to "try" during that time. Save my "resistance energy" for the times I DONT feel like vaping. prepare myself to fight, not on fresh days, but on tired days.

I dunno, just a thought. Point is, I see my patterns a little better.


I think you have a handle on it. In AA I learned this little acronym for helping to avoid certain triggers, and it may apply to the smoking addiction too, as it seems to apply to all my other addictions: ;)

H A L T - Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired -- hungry and tired, well there went my Happy Hour excuse. :D Angry -- I had to learn to consciously change "I'm so mad at you, I'm gonna get drunk!" into "you're so infuriating, you're NOT WORTH KILLING MYSELF OVER!" Lonely... well that's a big bad, no matter what one is addicted to. I've always been a loner by nature, but sometimes lonely can overtake loner. In recent years, when I've felt lonely (or self-pity, or other really negative emotions I'm having a hard time handling), I often just go take a nap; sure it's escapism just like drinking/drugs were, but at least it won't kill me, and won't wreck my sobriety. Eventually I wake up, and sometimes feel better after a nice rest.

One trick I used to great advantage, there at the end when I was trying to wean off cigarettes and back onto 100% vaping, was procrastination. When I'd feel the urge to smoke, I'd just think, well I'll do this instead right now (vaping) and later I can have a cigarette if I really want to. Often the urge passed, and there was another one I didn't smoke.

You're right though, that it's so much easier to smoke, to give in, than to vape. I had a real hard time with that one, this last go-round, trying to get off the cigarettes *again*. But I finally just had to keep asking myself, and reminding myself, "just what do I really want? Do I want to be a non-smoker, or not? Or do I want to go back to being helplessly addicted, just wishing I could get off the stupid cigarettes?" I got enough of a taste of being a non-smoker during that 115 days before I succumbed to those god-awful cravings after my illness, that I knew, I really do want to be a non-smoker; my self-esteem has probably never been higher in my life, having beaten this awful addiction, so much stronger than any other addiction I've fought. But I know now, it's a lot like my alcohol addiction -- once an addict, always an addict, and I can't afford to relax my guard even for a minute. There's a cigarette out there just waiting for me to smoke it, and there's a beer with my name on it too, just waiting for me to drink it. If I want death, and lingering horrible illness before that death, I can go find that smoke and that beer. But if I want to live, and enjoy living, I can keep living without them. Somehow, some way... one day at a time. :thumb:

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In recent years, when I've felt lonely (or self-pity, or other really negative emotions I'm having a hard time handling), I often just go take a nap; sure it's escapism just like drinking/drugs were, but at least it won't kill me,

It very likely can when sleep apnea runs heavily in your family and you are a loaner (not lonely, have others who would be around but choose time to oneself most of the time).. my aunt Almost didn't get her sleep apnea diagnosed in time. During her sleep test she stopped breathing almost 40% of the time.

I now require snuggle buddies when I nap incase I stop breathing so I can be woken.

Tomorrow is pretty baby contest. Will let yall know how it goes
 

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No apnea that I know of. I do have asthma, and when I get short of breath, my central nervous system VERY obligingly kicks me in the head and says WAKE UP AND USE YOUR INHALER, FOOL! In fact I got woken that way this morning; it seems to be that month's worth of smoke smut getting outta dodge, but it takes a bit of effort to get gone. At least I was able to go back to sleep, and woke up to vapemail -- my first mech! :banana:

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Sounds like you have quite a little character there. He sounds precious and so full of personality. So good to hear that he has totally been super-charged after his latest surgery. Keeping you on your toes, huh? Have fun, they grow up so fast.


Girlfriends sister and her boyfriend are over for the weekend. Family Reunion on girlfriends side with all you can eat sweet corn (from the family members field that morning). Pretty baby contest Saturday morning. Entering child for the 4th year in a row. He has won every time so far. He has a secret weapon this time. A wink. Lol! He cocks his head sideways and gives a thumbs up as he winks. U told him he only gets ice cream if he looses. Lol. Girlfriend smacked me for it. Ice cream will be at the family reunion hours after the contest so he gets it regardless. I want him to win as long as he can. Im still not sure how he has about 5x the energy now than he had before his surgery. Ita like someone replaced the energizer battery during the surgery as the old one was reaching 3.5volts. Lol. Now its like he is at 5volts. Gah. He wakes up at 5am with mommy and doesn't nap then hoes to bed at 11pm. No clue how he does it.

Sorry for wall of text, on phone about to head to bed and cant tbink to separate every thought
 

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Tim. I think you hit on a very important point. When we are tired or hungry or just so done that we can not think, that is a very dangerous time for anyone with a weakness, be it smoking, drugs, alcohol, eating a dozen donuts, etc. Very good observation.

I think one of the main reasons I have been able to fight off cravings or the I can't be bothered moments of rebuilding or rewicking my r91 is that I have been using plain old 510 attys to drip juice into almost since the very beginning of my vaping.

No matter what juice delivery system you have it is going to either need maintenance or fail at some point. I found that I needed something absolutely foolproof that I can pick up in a moment, drip a few drops of a favorite juice, and be assured of getting a satisfying vape. Both flavor and vapor. Something that would scratch that itch. My 510 attys can do that for me. They are not the same vape as my r91 and maybe not as flavorful for some of my flavors, but they do the trick for a whole bunch of juices, especially my tobaccos.

Plus they are cheap and simple. I have many of them so if one is bad I just pick up another one. I throw them out when they die. The process of dripping 3 drops at a time makes me slow down and think about what I am doing with my vaping. It helps me slow down period. Almost like I would think a good cigar after dinner in front of the fireplace would be like. Let your mind unwind and get back to basics.

Sorry to go on about this, but I do think your discovery is an important one for all of us. Sometimes we need to be prepared for vaping to be very simple and effortless. Have a backup that can do that for you. All the fancy setups and toppers, clearos and super duper builds may be too much in a real immediate need situation. A 510 atty does not care how cool or hot it is outside. Drip, drip, drip.

So I was saying fell of the wagon yesterday. But it is kind of a good thing.
I learned something about my triggers. Or at least, something became a little more clearer.

I said that stress has been a big trigger, but that isn't entirely true. I think a bigger thing for me is exhaustion.
Had a really busy day Wednesday. I worked outside all day. By the end of the day, my brains were like mush, I was so tired. But I was very, very motivated working Wednesday. And that motivation also bled into other things. For the first time in a long time, I took my PV outside with me while I work, shuffling off the "I will just smoke when I work to protect my gear when I am outside" excuse.
Then Thursday, I had a really bad day. And I started to put things together.

Wednesday night, being tired, there was a three-pronged attack. 1) too tired to combat stressors. 2) tired mind making small stressor look worse than they are (that is to say, not only was I not dealing with stress properly, but it didn't stay status quo - my tired mind amplified everything) and 3) i am tired, and smoking is easier right now.

I don't think stress alone is doing it. Nothing has changed in the circumstances in this season of my life right now. In fact, in certain ways, things are looking better. But when I am tired, I don't cope as well. Things blow out of proportion. And I just don't feel like fighting the urge to smoke, deal with gear, refilling etc.

I think I am focusing my vaping efforts when I am feeling good. The idea being that when I feel motivated to vape, I should jump on that and build some momentum. And maybe that is what I should do. But I also am thinking, when I feel good, I prefer to vape. I don't really need to "try" during that time. Save my "resistance energy" for the times I DONT feel like vaping. prepare myself to fight, not on fresh days, but on tired days.

I dunno, just a thought. Point is, I see my patterns a little better.
 

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They sure do, and when they're grown, you just *pine* for the child you love so much, but that child is gone forever. But sometimes you can still see him (or her) in a certain look, a twinkle in the eye. When my son graduated from high school, I was both delighted (he finally made it!) and absolutely bereft. I knew a part of my life and his was gone forever.

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I'm pretty sure that is why I have so much gear, it means at least one mod will be working right, but now that I've got the two Reos I can always count on one of them to have plenty of juice in the bottle and be a no hassle vape. They really are the most hassle free mods I've had , easier than the eGo and clearo even, changing wick and dry burning coils takes less than half the time of cleaning clearos and installing a new head.

I hope Lori is just too busy living to stop in and that all is going well in her life now. :)

Hope your remodeling nightmare is coming to an end Shari. :)

Tim. I think you hit on a very important point. When we are tired or hungry or just so done that we can not think, that is a very dangerous time for anyone with a weakness, be it smoking, drugs, alcohol, eating a dozen donuts, etc. Very good observation.

I think one of the main reasons I have been able to fight off cravings or the I can't be bothered moments of rebuilding or rewicking my r91 is that I have been using plain old 510 attys to drip juice into almost since the very beginning of my vaping.

No matter what juice delivery system you have it is going to either need maintenance or fail at some point. I found that I needed something absolutely foolproof that I can pick up in a moment, drip a few drops of a favorite juice, and be assured of getting a satisfying vape. Both flavor and vapor. Something that would scratch that itch. My 510 attys can do that for me. They are not the same vape as my r91 and maybe not as flavorful for some of my flavors, but they do the trick for a whole bunch of juices, especially my tobaccos.

Plus they are cheap and simple. I have many of them so if one is bad I just pick up another one. I throw them out when they die. The process of dripping 3 drops at a time makes me slow down and think about what I am doing with my vaping. It helps me slow down period. Almost like I would think a good cigar after dinner in front of the fireplace would be like. Let your mind unwind and get back to basics.

Sorry to go on about this, but I do think your discovery is an important one for all of us. Sometimes we need to be prepared for vaping to be very simple and effortless. Have a backup that can do that for you. All the fancy setups and toppers, clearos and super duper builds may be too much in a real immediate need situation. A 510 atty does not care how cool or hot it is outside. Drip, drip, drip.
 

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I don't know why in the world so many places insist on such a high level of VG, when it's so horrible for some people's lungs.

Because vg is what make the majority of the vapor and people like clouds. Also, there are less sensitivities to vg than pg.

Sorry you have an issue with vg though and glad you found a workaround.

Congrats on 2 weeks!
 

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I'm pretty sure that is why I have so much gear, it means at least one mod will be working right, but now that I've got the two Reos I can always count on one of them to have plenty of juice in the bottle and be a no hassle vape. They really are the most hassle free mods I've had , easier than the eGo and clearo even, changing wick and dry burning coils takes less than half the time of cleaning clearos and installing a new head.

That's exactly what I have so much gear for. Nothing worse than a vape that goes bad.

I've been thinking about a REO with a bottom feeder, what's the average price on a setup?
 

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Hi Gang! I didn't catch up at all. Forgive me?
I just wanted to check in and say that I'm still smoke free and have been getting out more, to concerts and things. I also enrolled at the local community college and I start in a couple weeks. I'm going for an AA in Art to back up my computer skills so I can get a better job. Or, at the very least one I enjoy more and derive some satisfaction from. So that's it for now. I think of you often and fondly. I'll check back soon and leave you with this video that kinda describes how I feel, without all the sex and excessive partying of course.

 
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