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*Woke up very groggy and tired. Little irritable for the first 20 minutes. *

*But they were there, so I smoked them. *

*Since then, I haven't had any. That means only three analogs in a little over a 24 hour period. That is pretty good, I think . I also upped my nic content in my regular juice to 30 today.*

*How much of keeping my cigs in the shed, which normally helps somewhat anyways, is playing into this?*

*How much of this is psychosomatic? (I.e. WTA are "supposed" to work. Therefore, my brain is accounting them as working.)*

*Haven't had a lot of cravings for analogs today, but then again, I upped nic to 30. Yes, I know, bad time to make two changes at once and ask which one of them is really helping. But today is my build/wick/mix day so I needed to make that change today.*

*I smoked this morning, but how much of that was habit? Are the WTA working but I simply fell prey to old habits because I was tired and irritable?*

*I did feel an effect when I first used the WTA and still do when I haven't used it in a few hours.*

*Just things I am considering before giving a full final review. I have learned over the past couple years that my review of anything ecig changes with use, especially after the first week or so.*

If so, I would say they def helped.

OK, this is a bit disjointed since I chopped the quote up but I wanted to comment on it as its a rather meaningful recap of a "day-in-the-life".

The groggy and irritable thing makes a lot of sense to falling back to what's habit and comfortable. That is why the military (and many other areas of life) repeat thing the exact same way (for every repetition) even to exhaustion; so that the behavior becomes the one that is the *default* under every circumstance.

As a short haul truck driver (and veteran) we all learn very quickly that being a "zombie" that simply functions on instinct is a common occurrence. How many times have you driven somewhere and not remembered the "uneventful" things that happened along the way? We do the things that we repeat until they become instinctual because they are instinctual, unless we consciously modify the behavior that has become instinct. (Deep I know, but stay with it.)

As for the comments about "smoking because they were there", I did the same thing. Dropping down my number of cigarettes as much as I could, until I was just bumming one "here and there" from friends at work so that I "didn't have to buy a pack" and simply fooling myself along the way.

Now, FWIW, I did not simply quit... I had to fight for it, every day. And every day I still do. I know that I could simply buy a pack and smoke, but I choose not to for several reasons. I believe very strongly that everyone has to find their own reason to put down that last cigarette, and realize that those cigarettes may as well be ...... for most of us. Even one that I might smoke could suck me right back in.

As far as taking a week or two to review I absolutely agree, things in this "hobby" will change in the way they work for you overtime and should be evaluated with that in mind.

And just for the record, I vaped over 8 months before I laid down the cigarettes... and just now I finally hit 6 weeks smoke free, today.

Don't be afraid of the struggle, be afraid of just giving in and giving up. Embrace the suck.
 

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OK, this is a bit disjointed since I chopped the quote up but I wanted to comment on it as its a rather meaningful recap of a "day-in-the-life".

The groggy and irritable thing makes a lot of sense to falling back to what's habit and comfortable. That is why the military (and many other areas of life) repeat thing the exact same way (for every repetition) even to exhaustion; so that the behavior becomes the one that is the *default* under every circumstance.

As a short haul truck driver (and veteran) we all learn very quickly that being a "zombie" that simply functions on instinct is a common occurrence. How many times have you driven somewhere and not remembered the "uneventful" things that happened along the way? We do the things that we repeat until they become instinctual because they are instinctual, unless we consciously modify the behavior that has become instinct. (Deep I know, but stay with it.)

As for the comments about "smoking because they were there", I did the same thing. Dropping down my number of cigarettes as much as I could, until I was just bumming one "here and there" from friends at work so that I "didn't have to buy a pack" and simply fooling myself along the way.

Now, FWIW, I did not simply quit... I had to fight for it, every day. And every day I still do. I know that I could simply buy a pack and smoke, but I choose not to for several reasons. I believe very strongly that everyone has to find their own reason to put down that last cigarette, and realize that those cigarettes may as well be ...... for most of us. Even one that I might smoke could suck me right back in.

As far as taking a week or two to review I absolutely agree, things in this "hobby" will change in the way they work for you overtime and should be evaluated with that in mind.

And just for the record, I vaped over 8 months before I laid down the cigarettes... and just now I finally hit 6 weeks smoke free, today.

Don't be afraid of the struggle, be afraid of just giving in and giving up. Embrace the suck.

Perfectly stated.
 

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I understand everything you are saying. Goes back to other things I learned. My dad taught me, "it takes 21 days to make a habit, and it takes 21 days to break a habit." A friend who is 2nd Amendment enthusiast shared a quote with me: "in crisis/stress/under adrenaline (can't remember exact quote, but remember the concept), we fall back to our lowest level of training" or something like that. Point being, as you said, the more second-nature/instinctual/muscle-memory something is, the more we fall back to it when our conscious thought is diminished. Under stress, you won't perfectly perform the self-defense technique you just learned, you are going to revert to something more further back, more practiced, more learned in the "deeper brain." I digress again, but I get your point.

Last night I did smoke three more at another habitual point. (I mentioned before in the evening on my walks, I tend to smoke more.) I didn't condemn myself, but kept the cigs in the back and picked up my mod.

Kind of all over the place this morning, so let me get to the real reason I am responding right now
The program works if you work it. And I will tell you why -
So this morning, still a bit groggy, but not like yesterday. Not really irritable. But wanting a cig. So I implement the thing AndriaD reminded me of ( IIRC, I think she mentioned it), I can have a cig later. So I says to myself, give yourself five/ten minutes, then go get a cig. Until then, hit the WTA.
Five/ten mins pass. Still want a cig. (Yes, I know it works better if you give yourself more than 5-10, but it's morning and I REALLY wanted one lol)
I go to the shed, grab three cigs.
The walk to the shed has woken me up a little bit more.
I set the cigs next to my mouse here at my desk.
Start re-reading ethelrealink's post, esp the "The groggy and irritable..." and "As a short haul truck..." paragraphs.
Think about what he is saying.
How much of this is just habit?
Still hitting WTA as I read this.
Decide not to smoke this morning. Get up, grab those three cigs I brought to my desk, take them back to the shed.
Come back to desk and keep hitting WTA.
I am not saying we won't have slips. I am not saying I will never have another slip. But I will say this. This thread does help.
And the program works if you work it.


OK, this is a bit disjointed since I chopped the quote up but I wanted to comment on it as its a rather meaningful recap of a "day-in-the-life".

The groggy and irritable thing makes a lot of sense to falling back to what's habit and comfortable. That is why the military (and many other areas of life) repeat thing the exact same way (for every repetition) even to exhaustion; so that the behavior becomes the one that is the *default* under every circumstance.

As a short haul truck driver (and veteran) we all learn very quickly that being a "zombie" that simply functions on instinct is a common occurrence. How many times have you driven somewhere and not remembered the "uneventful" things that happened along the way? We do the things that we repeat until they become instinctual because they are instinctual, unless we consciously modify the behavior that has become instinct. (Deep I know, but stay with it.)

As for the comments about "smoking because they were there", I did the same thing. Dropping down my number of cigarettes as much as I could, until I was just bumming one "here and there" from friends at work so that I "didn't have to buy a pack" and simply fooling myself along the way.

Now, FWIW, I did not simply quit... I had to fight for it, every day. And every day I still do. I know that I could simply buy a pack and smoke, but I choose not to for several reasons. I believe very strongly that everyone has to find their own reason to put down that last cigarette, and realize that those cigarettes may as well be ...... for most of us. Even one that I might smoke could suck me right back in.

As far as taking a week or two to review I absolutely agree, things in this "hobby" will change in the way they work for you overtime and should be evaluated with that in mind.

And just for the record, I vaped over 8 months before I laid down the cigarettes... and just now I finally hit 6 weeks smoke free, today.

Don't be afraid of the struggle, be afraid of just giving in and giving up. Embrace the suck.
 

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I understand everything you are saying. Goes back to other things I learned. My dad taught me, "it takes 21 days to make a habit, and it takes 21 days to break a habit." A friend who is 2nd Amendment enthusiast shared a quote with me: "in crisis/stress/under adrenaline (can't remember exact quote, but remember the concept), we fall back to our lowest level of training" or something like that. Point being, as you said, the more second-nature/instinctual/muscle-memory something is, the more we fall back to it when our conscious thought is diminished. Under stress, you won't perfectly perform the self-defense technique you just learned, you are going to revert to something more further back, more practiced, more learned in the "deeper brain." I digress again, but I get your point.

Last night I did smoke three more at another habitual point. (I mentioned before in the evening on my walks, I tend to smoke more.) I didn't condemn myself, but kept the cigs in the back and picked up my mod.

Kind of all over the place this morning, so let me get to the real reason I am responding right now
The program works if you work it. And I will tell you why -
So this morning, still a bit groggy, but not like yesterday. Not really irritable. But wanting a cig. So I implement the thing AndriaD reminded me of ( IIRC, I think she mentioned it), I can have a cig later. So I says to myself, give yourself five/ten minutes, then go get a cig. Until then, hit the WTA.
Five/ten mins pass. Still want a cig. (Yes, I know it works better if you give yourself more than 5-10, but it's morning and I REALLY wanted one lol)
I go to the shed, grab three cigs.
The walk to the shed has woken me up a little bit more.
I set the cigs next to my mouse here at my desk.
Start re-reading ethelrealink's post, esp the "The groggy and irritable..." and "As a short haul truck..." paragraphs.
Think about what he is saying.
How much of this is just habit?
Still hitting WTA as I read this.
Decide not to smoke this morning. Get up, grab those three cigs I brought to my desk, take them back to the shed.
Come back to desk and keep hitting WTA.
I am not saying we won't have slips. I am not saying I will never have another slip. But I will say this. This thread does help.
And the program works if you work it.
Beautiful. I couldn't hope for a better result!

Keep it up!
 

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Just a quick off topic note... its been suggested to ask for a sample of rayon for wicking from the rayon thread... think I should take the leap?

YES! That stuff is amazing in a kayfun or drippers, or even small coils like the protanks. Still prefer organic cotton in the smok RSBT though. With rayon, that thing leaks like a sieve.

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GtrSoloist said:
...I've given up on vaping until it gets cooler. It's too hot, and too dry. I just can't drink enough fluids to vape and not be dehydrated / have a permanent sore throat.

Good
Uck on the medical front!
Suggestions for dehydration that have worked for me! First lemonade, not sure why but seriuosly helps with vape tongue, Gatorade , coconut water it a wonderful natural liquid, I mix it directly with my tea! And cucumber mint water, cool refreshing and super good for you. Also I notice that when I am smoking more and vaping that I feel dehydrated, but the more I vape the lessor the effect!

+1 on the coconut water! One of the things that contributed heavily to my own month-long relapse was that horrible dehydration and electrolyte imbalance, I had to sort that out before I could go whole-hog on vaping again... and coconut water did the trick! The stuff is nearly miraculous! As long as I manage at least 8oz of it daily (along with lots of water of course), I don't get the puffy ankles or the thick heavy chest/lung problems!

Andria
 

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Tim. I am happy that you are sharing with us your journey with vaping. The conversations you and Etherealink have been having are very insightful and helpful for all who read here. You should know that your sharing here is helping many others that may be too shy to post.

Too many people get the impression that when you start vaping you automatically stop smoking and all in the world is wonderful, forever. That is not how this usually works. Yes, many do put the cigarettes down soon after starting to vape, but very few do not go through the exact same trials and struggles you are going through now. They just do not write about it here or anywhere else on a vaping forum.

I think you are doing great on your journey. You are learning things about yourself and how to approach those periods of craving. We all get them. I have been vaping and have not had a cigarette in over a year and once in a while I will get a strong urge to smoke. Sometimes I know what triggers it, sometimes I have no clue. But it is real. The ability to be able to come here and read and share with others that are real with where they are in their vaping journey is precious.

I have never used the WTA so I am not a good one to advise you on its use. But it seems to be helping you so I would be keeping a bottle of on hand.
 

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That would be most welcome!!! I just got done building a new coil for my r91. I have a horrible time getting that little doohickey attached to the post screws. Any tips on that would be most appreciated. Also, to show how much cotton wick, or rayon wick to use is a tricky part of successful building too. Oh, goody!

Would anyone mind if I did a coil building and wicking tutorial (beginner level ) on here?

This last coil I build came out at 2.0ohms. That is fine for me. But when I went to mount it on the Russian/kayfun base, I found that to make the wire wrap clockwise around the screws, I had to have the wires approaching the screws from the top instead of the bottom. Does it make a difference whether the wires are near the bottom of the coil or at the top when mounting. See, I am still a beginner.

I am too mentally weary to go view a bunch of videos to figure it out. So far it seems to be working fine. I make sure that the coil sits a ways above the screws.

I used 30 gauge kanthal, I think 11 wraps around a 1.5mm rod on my Gizmo (the only way I can wind a successful coil). Do you wind your coil away from you or toward you. Is that why my coil leads are at the top instead of the bottom?

See, you started it. lol
 
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That would be most welcome!!! I just got done building a new coil for my r91. I have a horrible time getting that little doohickey attached to the post screws. Any tips on that would be most appreciated. Also, to show how much cotton wick, or rayon wick to use is a tricky part of successful building too. Oh, goody!
You got it Shari. I've just seen too many people struggle with what is a fairly simple thing with a bit of coaching and practice.

I don't have an r91 but I will do a couple Kayfun builds for you and include mounting and wicking for sure.
 

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I understand everything you are saying. Goes back to other things I learned. My dad taught me, "it takes 21 days to make a habit, and it takes 21 days to break a habit." A friend who is 2nd Amendment enthusiast shared a quote with me: "in crisis/stress/under adrenaline (can't remember exact quote, but remember the concept), we fall back to our lowest level of training" or something like that. Point being, as you said, the more second-nature/instinctual/muscle-memory something is, the more we fall back to it when our conscious thought is diminished. Under stress, you won't perfectly perform the self-defense technique you just learned, you are going to revert to something more further back, more practiced, more learned in the "deeper brain." I digress again, but I get your point.

Last night I did smoke three more at another habitual point. (I mentioned before in the evening on my walks, I tend to smoke more.) I didn't condemn myself, but kept the cigs in the back and picked up my mod.

Kind of all over the place this morning, so let me get to the real reason I am responding right now
The program works if you work it. And I will tell you why -
So this morning, still a bit groggy, but not like yesterday. Not really irritable. But wanting a cig. So I implement the thing AndriaD reminded me of ( IIRC, I think she mentioned it), I can have a cig later. So I says to myself, give yourself five/ten minutes, then go get a cig. Until then, hit the WTA.
Five/ten mins pass. Still want a cig. (Yes, I know it works better if you give yourself more than 5-10, but it's morning and I REALLY wanted one lol)
I go to the shed, grab three cigs.
The walk to the shed has woken me up a little bit more.
I set the cigs next to my mouse here at my desk.
Start re-reading ethelrealink's post, esp the "The groggy and irritable..." and "As a short haul truck..." paragraphs.
Think about what he is saying.
How much of this is just habit?
Still hitting WTA as I read this.
Decide not to smoke this morning. Get up, grab those three cigs I brought to my desk, take them back to the shed.
Come back to desk and keep hitting WTA.
I am not saying we won't have slips. I am not saying I will never have another slip. But I will say this. This thread does help.
And the program works if you work it.

And that WTA is great stuff too. It really helped those cravings I was getting, in my 2nd week back to smoke-free, and it got me thru the 3wk point with none of that depression/self-pity crap. I just got another bottle, from Aroma, so I'll be ready when I get close to that 3mo point. :thumbs:

Andria
 

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I think I'll make it a 3 part thing.

Beginner, intermediate and tricks.

Any suggested builds that anyone wants to see?

Almost need a thread for this lol! Would it be better that way, mods?

I'd be interested in an intermediate/advanced kinda thing. I've got the basics pretty much down pat, and I've discovered that I really don't care for "micro-coils", all compressed; they concentrate the heat too much, and it seems to play hell with wicks. and I've learned about mounting the coil high (in a kayfun) for max throat hit -- but beyond that...? What's next?

I've also been following the rayon thread, for learning as much as I can about wicking with it.

Andria
 

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JUST AN FYI:

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ "Your" Instructions on building coils would be very good as a blog also - that way people would not have to search the thread to find it when ever they needed it or a refresher - but could just go to "Your" Blog and send other people there too . . . Just Sayin' . . . ;)
 

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JUST AN FYI:

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ "Your" Instructions on building coils would be very good as a blog also - that way people would not have to search the thread to find it when ever they needed it or a refresher - but could just go to "Your" Blog and send other people there too . . . Just Sayin' . . . ;)
Great idea Uncle...

Now, WordPress blogger or tumblr?
 

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I think I'll make it a 3 part thing.

Beginner, intermediate and tricks.

Any suggested builds that anyone wants to see?

Almost need a thread for this lol! Would it be better that way, mods?

Feel free to start a new thread in pif. That way it won't get lost over time with the chit chat ;)
 

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I'd be interested in an intermediate/advanced kinda thing. I've got the basics pretty much down pat, and I've discovered that I really don't care for "micro-coils", all compressed; they concentrate the heat too much, and it seems to play hell with wicks. and I've learned about mounting the coil high (in a kayfun) for max throat hit -- but beyond that...? What's next?

I've also been following the rayon thread, for learning as much as I can about wicking with it.

Andria
The hard part with a Kayfun or r91 style is that they aren't very flexible to different coil styles. You basically have a single coil in either vertical or horizontal orientation and possibly dual coils or a diamond build or a multi-strand coil...

I will think about it and play around some for you though. Btw, what's the pg/vg ratio on the juice you use so I can match it for wicking and adjustable variables?
 
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