Still smoking support and chat thread

[etherealink]

Andrea, I think you're overthinking things a little bit let me get a little while after I get off of work tonight and I will give you a basic walkthrough. It's not quite as hard and you would not have to premix anything at all before you mix your rec

 

[AndriaD]

Dunno how I'm overthinking it. I'm currently adding 6% (of the finished volume) WTA, and if I add my Sweet Flash, it's usually anywhere from 3% to 10%. Since I can specify the nic level of each, no problem, my calculator takes account of those items' nic level (and PG/VG) for my target level(s). I need an offline calculator that can do that.

Andria

 

[ShariR]

OMG. I do not have the brain capacity to learn a whole new Forum. If I can not figure out how to get on the new Forum, would one of you please contact me via email (do you still have it?) so I can stay with you all? This is not good news for me. Too much going on at one time.

I do not want to lose touch with you all.

Just an FYI:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/665813-moving-new-forum-software.html

 

[Thayamax]

If you disappear and if I can figure it out, I'll contact you. I still have your info. I think you'll manage, though.

 

[ShariR]

Hi Tigger, I use the old fashioned 510 attys for dripping, manually, 3 drops at a time. Great for tasting new flavors and getting a good idea if you like it without filling a tank.

I tried the Igo-L and it held more drops (I think about 15 or so) but I had to lung hit it and it gave me a wicked sore throat every time I used it. So I do not use it but keep it for emergency, if needed.

I hear wonderful things about the Magma and several other drippers. Some hold around 40 drops (or about 1ml) of juice. It is definitely a different style of vaping and not the best for on the go. Many say best flavor.

I like my Russian 91 rtas and Kayfuns. They are rebuildable tank attys but I love them. I have not tried much else so this is not an objective review. But when I like something, why keep spending to try everything else? I have not needed to chase gear. I am lucky, and I think, in the minority.

Here is a link to a great dripping thread for the 510 attys. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...405910-regular-atty-drippers-dying-breed.html


By the way, regarding shelf life of ejuice, I have found that the lighter juices have been good for over a year. I have found most of my coffee and really sweet flavors have turned dark and thickened to where all it would do is clog an atty to even try to use it. So out is goes. These are vendor juices. Some tobaccos I have are over 15 months old and still tasty.

Oh I forgot to thank everyone for your replies to my question about the e-juice. I'm so glad to hear that I don't have to chunk all this stuff.
Now I have another question. Let's talk about "Dripping", shall we? What are your feelings/thoughts on dripping/dipping? Have you tried it? Did you like? Do you still do it? If not, why? If so, what do you use to do it with. Do you think it might help with my throat hit thing?
TY in advance,
TxTigger

 

[ShariR]

Oh Thank You, Thaya. I would hate to lose touch with my friends here.

I have been doing Taxes for 3 days. With all the deductions he takes and the remodel it is a nightmare finding all the info. Then the Grandbaby gets here with parents for a week this Friday. Thankfully they are staying at a condo in Nashville since it would be impossible to baby proof this place. So I will be busy for a while.....

And now a Forum Change. Ugh. I need my safe and sane place accessible.

If you disappear and if I can figure it out, I'll contact you. I still have your info. I think you'll manage, though.

 

[etherealink]

Dunno how I'm overthinking it. I'm currently adding 6% (of the finished volume) WTA, and if I add my Sweet Flash, it's usually anywhere from 3% to 10%. Since I can specify the nic level of each, no problem, my calculator takes account of those items' nic level (and PG/VG) for my target level(s). I need an offline calculator that can do that.

Andria

Meant to say you were overthinking the program lol.

In your case, I would stay with the calculator you are using, it could be done ejuicemeup but it would be a messy nightmare if you were blending pre-made juices and adding things like WTA and flash.

Sorry it was not worded well.

 

[etherealink]

Of course Shari, think I still have you on fb messenger lol

 

[AndriaD]

Meant to say you were overthinking the program lol.

In your case, I would stay with the calculator you are using, it could be done ejuicemeup but it would be a messy nightmare if you were blending pre-made juices and adding things like WTA and flash.

Sorry it was not worded well.

Maybe I should contact whoever is running that online calc I use, see if they know of anything similar that can be used offline -- for internet emergencies!

Andria

 

[aikanae1]

Oh Thank You, Thaya. I would hate to lose touch with my friends here.

I have been doing Taxes for 3 days. With all the deductions he takes and the remodel it is a nightmare finding all the info. Then the Grandbaby gets here with parents for a week this Friday. Thankfully they are staying at a condo in Nashville since it would be impossible to baby proof this place. So I will be busy for a while.....

And now a Forum Change. Ugh. I need my safe and sane place accessible.

Did you finally cave in to Facebook? Often I've found messages about whether a site was up or down or questions / answers can be found on Facebook. ECF blocked me once due to the fact I was using a VPN and I got ahold of them through Facebook. ECF is a big enough forum that if it wasn't reachable, lots of people would be talking about it and you could google for those conversations. Using Tapatalk on the phone might be another work around.

Chances are it'll turn out to be no big woop. I just don't like getting caught off-guard with changes.

 

[aikanae1]

Maybe I should contact whoever is running that online calc I use, see if they know of anything similar that can be used offline -- for internet emergencies!

Andria

You should probably ask in the DIY forum since they'd have less bias. A lot of people work with bases. Figuring out percentages has been an area that other DIY'ers have been extremely helpful with in my experience. Where there's a will, there's a way (if not, someone will like the challenge).

Internet? Data plan has saved my ....

 

[etherealink]

Maybe I should contact whoever is running that online calc I use, see if they know of anything similar that can be used offline -- for internet emergencies!

Andria

I'm not saying it can't be done with ejuicemeup, just that the calculation could be a pita. Every calculator is just doing the work for you; eg: 18mg/ml is just 1.8% nicotine by volume.

I just hope you have the sweetflash factored right, google tells me it's just flash and sweetener added to a nicotine base to make a 10mg/ml additive (I've never used it, no idea)... that's the ONLY reason I use a 100mg/ml base, anything higher must be purchased by a lab; so worst case my nicotine amount would be lower than I calculated for rather than higher.

Anyway, not throwing stones... if it works for you, awesome. I will keep looking for an offline calculator that has that option, I haven't seen one that does.... yet.

Have you tried saving it as an offline webpage?

 

[aikanae1]

Have you tried saving it as an offline webpage?

I have. Doesn't work beyond a screen shot.

I haven't thought this threw thoroughly, but I was thinking to do the nic base twice. Need pg/vg already mixed with nic, those percentages don't change. 60/40 is 60/40 whether it's 10ml or 100mg. Then in the next mix, there's room to enter another nic base and that's when nic levels can be adjusted? Unless I'm really misunderstanding something here.

 

[etherealink]

I have.[emoji23] Doesn't work beyond a screen shot.

I haven't thought this threw thoroughly, but I was thinking to do the nic base twice. Need pg/vg already mixed with nic, those percentages don't change. 60/40 is 60/40 whether it's 10ml or 100mg. Then in the next mix, there's room to enter another nic base and that's when nic levels can be adjusted? Unless I'm really misunderstanding something here.

Aik, the answer is yes and no... I'll try to explain.

Looking here, there are places for 3 base variations. Lets say you bought 3 strengths of nicotine base (24mg/ml, 36mg/ml and 100mg/ml... it was a good sale lol) and you want to use up as much of the lower strength stuff as you can because its older. That's what the nic combine is for imho. That doesn't mean you can't use it for the 24mg/ml WTA and the 10mg/ml flash as well; as long as you know the percentage of nicotine in whatever ingredient you are using IS, you can work with it.

Let me try to make this simple, hopefully. We all know that if we mix 0mg nic and 0mg nic we get a 0mg nic final result; just the same, if we mix equal parts 12mg nic and 0mg nic we will get a 6mg nic result. Anything in between is just a small calculation off of the original.

The calculator program is only doing the hard part for you, the math should still prove solid.

Getting down to it, you said: ...Need pg/vg already mixed with nic, those percentages don't change. 60/40 is 60/40 whether it's 10ml or 100mg...

I won't speak for others, but my nic base is 100mg/ml nicotine and 75%vg/25%pg. Meaning the pg/vg is already blended in to the nicotine at those levels; it's STILL TOXIC AT THIS CONCENTRATION! But, it is 75% vg. To make it into something I can use, use I dilute with pg & vg until it's about 3-6mg/ml nicotine (depending on my cravings) and then it's safe to vape, no matter the flavor as mine have no nicotine in the flavoring.

When you talk about "60/40 is 60/40", yes you are mostly right; the tiny amount of flavor (even nearly 40% flavor) will not change the pg/vg% by more than a percent or two, and unless you are allergic to pg/vg it should be almost unnoticeable.

Going on, you said "Then in the next mix, there's room to enter another nic base and that's when nic levels can be adjusted?"

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Very quickly, in terms of the formula Andria mentioned above, i used a 6% "flavor" to show me the 6% = 1.8ml of a total 30 ml batch.
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Short answer, yes. Using the Nic Combine for "unflavored" or "no flavor change wanted" will let you play with nicotine bases before tuning them with pg&vg dilutants and the flavorings you enjoy. If you had more than 3 bases (or pre-made juices) to work with, I would simply do the first 3 and keep the result for your next #1 (adding the next 2 as needed to a final result) and working from there. Blending juice can be done, but its not what ejuicemeup was intended for imho.

If I can make it more complicated, just ask lol

 

[etherealink]

Ok, t-minus 4hrs till the interview that can alter the next 7yrs of my life... insomnia. ...

 

[aikanae1]

I follow. Your good with explainations.

Basically, it's a fancy calculator designed for percentages to equal 100%, and in this case we have 4 ingredients but the calculator only allows 3. What my idea was to break it down into baby steps and combine ingredientss until the corrent number can be entered. I was thinking the nic level would work because it's a constant, but it doesn't. I get it. Also she uses a lot of flavoring so the difference would be significant. I wonder if there's a way to mix flash and WTA such that they can be used as a single ingredient?

I have heard that a person gets used to figuring this stuff out long hand when they do it enough ( I don't believe them either). I've heard some say that people shouldn't be doing DIY unless they know how to figure it out long hand. but I figure that's what the DIY forum is for. Hah!

Did you look at this one? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/480587-new-calculator-try-109.html#post15325179

Aik, the answer is yes and no... I'll try to explain.

Looking here, there are places for 3 base variations. Lets say you bought 3 strengths of nicotine base (24mg/ml, 36mg/ml and 100mg/ml... it was a good sale lol) and you want to use up as much of the lower strength stuff as you can because its older. That's what the nic combine is for imho. That doesn't mean you can't use it for the 24mg/ml WTA and the 10mg/ml flash as well; as long as you know the percentage of nicotine in whatever ingredient you are using IS, you can work with it.

Let me try to make this simple, hopefully. We all know that if we mix 0mg nic and 0mg nic we get a 0mg nic final result; just the same, if we mix equal parts 12mg nic and 0mg nic we will get a 6mg nic result. Anything in between is just a small calculation off of the original.

The calculator program is only doing the hard part for you, the math should still prove solid.

Getting down to it, you said: ...Need pg/vg already mixed with nic, those percentages don't change. 60/40 is 60/40 whether it's 10ml or 100mg...

I won't speak for others, but my nic base is 100mg/ml nicotine and 75%vg/25%pg. Meaning the pg/vg is already blended in to the nicotine at those levels; it's STILL TOXIC AT THIS CONCENTRATION! But, it is 75% vg. To make it into something I can use, use I dilute with pg & vg until it's about 3-6mg/ml nicotine (depending on my cravings) and then it's safe to vape, no matter the flavor as mine have no nicotine in the flavoring.

When you talk about "60/40 is 60/40", yes you are mostly right; the tiny amount of flavor (even nearly 40% flavor) will not change the pg/vg% by more than a percent or two, and unless you are allergic to pg/vg it should be almost unnoticeable.

Going on, you said "Then in the next mix, there's room to enter another nic base and that's when nic levels can be adjusted?"

*********
Very quickly, in terms of the formula Andria mentioned above, i used a 6% "flavor" to show me the 6% = 1.8ml of a total 30 ml batch.
**********
Short answer, yes. Using the Nic Combine for "unflavored" or "no flavor change wanted" will let you play with nicotine bases before tuning them with pg&vg dilutants and the flavorings you enjoy. If you had more than 3 bases (or pre-made juices) to work with, I would simply do the first 3 and keep the result for your next #1 (adding the next 2 as needed to a final result) and working from there. Blending juice can be done, but its not what ejuicemeup was intended for imho.

If I can make it more complicated, just ask lol

 

[aikanae1]

Ok, t-minus 4hrs till the interview that can alter the next 7yrs of my life... insomnia. ...

Awww. I usually pray the adrendilin rush makes up for the lack of sleep.

 

[TxTigger]

I must be seriously stupid because I can't find the Forum tools button to save my life. I was wantin to subscribe to that there "New Forum Software" doo dad and the directions say "To subscribe to a forum, click the 'Forum Tools' link above the list of threads then select 'Subscribe to Forum'." I'm just not seeing it. Now some how I accidentally subscribed to this forum but that's cool cuz I wanted to do that too. But damned if I know how I did it, nor can I do it again....apparently.

DUH,
Tiggs

 

[etherealink]

Basically, it's a fancy calculator designed for percentages to equal 100%, and in this case we have 4 ingredients but the calculator only allows 3. What my idea was to break it down into baby steps and combine ingredientss until the corrent number can be entered. I was thinking the nic level would work because it's a constant, but it doesn't. I get it. Also she uses a lot of flavoring so the difference would be significant. I wonder if there's a way to mix flash and WTA such that they can be used as a single ingredient?

I have heard that a person gets used to figuring this stuff out long hand when they do it enough ( I don't believe them either). I've heard some say that people shouldn't be doing DIY unless they know how to figure it out long hand. but I figure that's what the DIY forum is for. Hah!

Did you look at this one? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/480587-new-calculator-try-109.html#post15325179

Aik,

Thanks for the compliment.

First, both combining the nic containing ingredients before the non-nic ones (not in bulk, at one time, just at time of mixing) is an option and yes- figuring things out long-hand is an option and totally possible. The calculator makes a few adjustments (most of them do) to make sure that if there is an error you have less nicotine rather than more.

In this case (I'll play Devil's Advocate) sweet flash is a mix of sweetener and an additive called flash that is mixed with a nicotine base to make it 10mg/ml of nicotine. Also, her WTA is 24mg/ml of nicotine... if that were combined with a "traditional" nicotine base of *any* concentration, it would be possible to nail down the nicotine strength easily including the flavorings and so on. However, when you start blending commercial juices, you need to treat them as nicotine bases themselves and work accordingly.

Btw, notes on sweet flash are from a google search, I have not used it myself and don't know where she gets hers from.

I have.[emoji23] Doesn't work beyond a screen shot.

I haven't thought this threw thoroughly, but I was thinking to do the nic base twice. Need pg/vg already mixed with nic, those percentages don't change. 60/40 is 60/40 whether it's 10ml or 100mg. Then in the next mix, there's room to enter another nic base and that's when nic levels can be adjusted? Unless I'm really misunderstanding something here.

 

[aikanae1]

I have no idea what flash is and it kinda sounds like something you'd buy in a rave or dance club (j/king). Anyway, I hope you have a successful, life altering, game changing sort of day. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Aik,

Thanks for the compliment.

First, both combining the nic containing ingredients before the non-nic ones (not in bulk, at one time, just at time of mixing) is an option and yes- figuring things out long-hand is an option and totally possible. The calculator makes a few adjustments (most of them do) to make sure that if there is an error you have less nicotine rather than more.

In this case (I'll play Devil's Advocate) sweet flash is a mix of sweetener and an additive called flash that is mixed with a nicotine base to make it 10mg/ml of nicotine. Also, her WTA is 24mg/ml of nicotine... if that were combined with a "traditional" nicotine base of *any* concentration, it would be possible to nail down the nicotine strength easily including the flavorings and so on. However, when you start blending commercial juices, you need to treat them as nicotine bases themselves and work accordingly.

Btw, notes on sweet flash are from a google search, I have not used it myself and don't know where she gets hers from.