I've noticed that the underlines aren't always there, although when I see your post, both PGA and YMMV are underlined.
YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary
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I've noticed that the underlines aren't always there, although when I see your post, both PGA and YMMV are underlined.
YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary
What about "organic e-juice" what's the difference there? Anyone know? Is it they just don't use artificial flavorings? I don't know anything about DIY but in my brain I don't really understand how flavorings cannot be artificial. I do like the idea of vendors being transparent on what goes into the juice though.
Sometimes I feel like what am I complaining about? I smoke cigarettes! Do you know how many nasty chemicals I'm inhaling! E-juice can't possibly be worse? Can it?
Sometimes I feel like what am I complaining about? I smoke cigarettes! Do you know how many nasty chemicals I'm inhaling! E-juice can't possibly be worse? Can it?
It could be that I'm using my work computer and the version of Internet Explorer is ANCIENT! YMMV...hmmm LOL Thanks!
Wow, I'm just so impressed with the sharing, generosity, and commitment of the folks here to help others out. I LOVE YOU FOLKS!
Congrats to those who are having problems and who have the great good sense to consult to the many knowledgeable people in this thread. It is a great idea. So many medical professionals may mean well, but really don't have the detailed experience nor interest to delve into the differentials of people with these detailed issues.
I have been so lucky with my vaping experience -- the down side is that it makes me useless to the folks who are having trouble
I have no allergies at all, and have had no problems at all with the switch from cigarettes to vaping, so I am just pure LUCKY. For many many years of smoking, I was smoking the American Spirit ultra-lights, and they are supposed to have no additives (though they probably have a few, such as the ones to the paper that makes the paper not so flammable). I don't know whether that helped or not in making the change.
About E-LIQUIDS -- it is weird to me that the only list of faves I've managed to come up with so far were the MBVs -- since when I first bought any of those, I really truly suspected that I had been fooled by the hype.
BUT -- that is not because MBV is my fave vendor -- not at all. I have NLV, Nicoticket, Highbrow, Ahlusion, Pipe Sauce, The Vape Tree, VaporZone (though that one is going negative, so far), The Vapor Chef, Mom & Pop's, and at least 4 other makers to work on. It's just that on those, I haven't tried enough of them, nor often enough, to come up with a postable opinion. Definitely a few of those I've tried have a flavor or two that I love, but I want to try more before I say anything. It's just that MBV was the one that I tried so dang many flavors of, that I figured I had come up with a fair evaluative opinion of my faves. More non-faves than faves for MBV, for sure.
I am so sympathetic to those having issues with vaping, and so proud of everybody trying to help!
I keep holding off on trying HHV (Heather's Heavenly Vapes) and AiV (Alice in Vapeland) because of all the hype, and because there are TOO many flavors from both of them that simply SOUND so good. I fear placing an order because I will likely overdo it. I've seen plenty of negative posts on them both, so I thought I would try the slight-outliers first.
Congrats to those who are having problems and who have the great good sense to consult to the many knowledgeable people in this thread. It is a great idea. So many medical professionals may mean well, but really don't have the detailed experience nor interest to delve into the differentials of people with these detailed issues.
I have been so lucky with my vaping experience -- the down side is that it makes me useless to the folks who are having trouble
I have no allergies at all, and have had no problems at all with the switch from cigarettes to vaping, so I am just pure LUCKY. For many many years of smoking, I was smoking the American Spirit ultra-lights, and they are supposed to have no additives (though they probably have a few, such as the ones to the paper that makes the paper not so flammable). I don't know whether that helped or not in making the change.About E-LIQUIDS -- it is weird to me that the only list of faves I've managed to come up with so far were the MBVs -- since when I first bought any of those, I really truly suspected that I had been fooled by the hype.
BUT -- that is not because MBV is my fave vendor -- not at all. I have NLV, Nicoticket, Highbrow, Ahlusion, Pipe Sauce, The Vape Tree, VaporZone (though that one is going negative, so far), The Vapor Chef, Mom & Pop's, and at least 4 other makers to work on. It's just that on those, I haven't tried enough of them, nor often enough, to come up with a postable opinion. Definitely a few of those I've tried have a flavor or two that I love, but I want to try more before I say anything. It's just that MBV was the one that I tried so dang many flavors of, that I figured I had come up with a fair evaluative opinion of my faves. More non-faves than faves for MBV, for sure.
I am so sympathetic to those having issues with vaping, and so proud of everybody trying to help!
I keep holding off on trying HHV (Heather's Heavenly Vapes) and AiV (Alice in Vapeland) because of all the hype, and because there are TOO many flavors from both of them that simply SOUND so good. I fear placing an order because I will likely overdo it. I've seen plenty of negative posts on them both, so I thought I would try the slight-outliers first.
Flavorists mix molecules and at that level, IMO the terms "organic" or "natural" is more marketing myth than anything else. Personally I think I prefer synthetic because there's less chance of having a profile of something I'm allergic too. But generally, all flavors are a combination of molecules. No one's grandmother is standing at a stove and boiling this to get an extract or concentrate. It's high tec stuff.
atm i will be downgrading the amount of flavors i have, flavors for me might not work for you, so i say try them all, if u name it i might have tried it, atm caramel butterscotch and peaches and cream are my goto flavors
. i have tried 124 different flavors currently on-hand. aikanae i got a few VZ flavors i dont use anymore u want them they are collecting dust?
. i have tried 124 different flavors currently on-hand. aikanae i got a few VZ flavors i dont use anymore u want them they are collecting dust?
also the same flavor doesnt taste the same from vendor to vendor just a thought to remember
*EDIT* meaning peaches from vaporzone wont taste the same as peach from flavorwest*
*EDIT* meaning peaches from vaporzone wont taste the same as peach from flavorwest*
atm i will be downgrading the amount of flavors i have, flavors for me might not work for you, so i say try them all, if u name it i might have tried it, atm caramel butterscotch and peaches and cream are my goto flavors
Sent you a pm. Did you try Nude Nic's flavors? They have added some PG free additives to their line up.
atm nude nic, i have there 36mg VG nic. FW has the flavors im happy with so no need to look elsewhere
Hi MonicaRae. You hit todays jackpot. A rant from ShariR regarding ejuice and ejuice vendors and 'organic' anything.
I have done a fair amount of reading in the DIY section regarding nicotine, pg and vg sources and flavorings. I have also read many threads for different juice vendors and their disclosures regarding the ingredients in their juices. I also go on the vendor's website and read every word. Sometimes I will email a question. I am sometimes not happy or satisfied with the results.
Regarding vendors and disclosure of their ingredients. Some vendors will not even tell the consumer the pg/vg ratio; they claim it is proprietary information. Their 'big' recipe secret. One example: Halo. Since I do not vape Halo I have not tried to get them to tell me what flavors are in a particular juice. A lot of simple flavors are pretty straight forward, peach is peach. But it will probably taste different from one vendor to the next.
That is where the source of the flavor comes in. Who made the flavor; TPA, FlavorWest, Capellas. There are a handful of mfg/distributors that sell their flavorings to the juice vendor. Same thing goes with the nicotine, pg and vg. How the mfg makes the flavor or nic makes a difference in taste and what chemicals may be found within the juice. More vendors than most people think do not have any idea what is in the ingredients they are using to make your juice. The vendor can contact their supplier to find out what is in the raw materials they buy to make your ejuice; many do not take the time to do that. There are no rules, regulations or laws or FDA to monitor or supply guidelines to be followed in the making of the ejuice we inhale. You need to be able to trust your vendor. That is hard when they will not or can not tell you if a particular ingredient like cinnamon or pg is in the juice they are selling you.
The deal with organics. If you are in the grocery store you will see all kinds of things labeled organic. Is it? Depends on who you ask and how it is defined. Here the FDA (or some agency of the govt) has laid out a list of things that must be met to be considered organic. Big agriculture interprets that in their own way to bend those rules. Who really knows what is organic unless you grow it yourself or know the local grower.
In relation to the juice we inhale, I have read a slew of threads with people claiming the strangest things are organic so they must be ok to vape. Just because it is good in aromatherapy or in skin cream or perfume, it is not necessarily ok to directly inhale it in a heated vaporized fashion into your lungs. Vaping has not been around long enough to really know long term effects to anything we are doing regarding vaping. Then again I could get hit by a bus crossing the street.
As vaping keeps trending there are going to be people making ejuice everywhere. It is not rocket science. It does not take tens of thousands of dollars to make some juice and sell it. Especially online. Some people will vape anything just to try it. I am seeing more aromatherapy and natural foods/vitamin/herbs type people getting interested in making ejuice. Is it safe? I do not know.
I personally am sticking with vendors that have been around for over a year, have a proven track record, will disclose what is in their juice and will talk to me if I have a problem. I also keep track of how other people who have problems are treated and if a problem is corrected or just the fire put out and business as usual.
I can not and will not vape anything with diacetyl or its substitutes in it or cinnamon. If a vendor will not tell me if their juices contain those few ingredients, then I do not do business with them. If they lie about it, I will spread the word. All I ask for is honesty. Not every vendor is going to make juice I can vape, it is fine if I can not vape it but do not lie. Most vendors are honest and take their juice making very seriously and do a good job at it. It is up to the consumer to find them and give them our business.
/End of rant
I have done a fair amount of reading in the DIY section regarding nicotine, pg and vg sources and flavorings. I have also read many threads for different juice vendors and their disclosures regarding the ingredients in their juices. I also go on the vendor's website and read every word. Sometimes I will email a question. I am sometimes not happy or satisfied with the results.
Regarding vendors and disclosure of their ingredients. Some vendors will not even tell the consumer the pg/vg ratio; they claim it is proprietary information. Their 'big' recipe secret. One example: Halo. Since I do not vape Halo I have not tried to get them to tell me what flavors are in a particular juice. A lot of simple flavors are pretty straight forward, peach is peach. But it will probably taste different from one vendor to the next.
That is where the source of the flavor comes in. Who made the flavor; TPA, FlavorWest, Capellas. There are a handful of mfg/distributors that sell their flavorings to the juice vendor. Same thing goes with the nicotine, pg and vg. How the mfg makes the flavor or nic makes a difference in taste and what chemicals may be found within the juice. More vendors than most people think do not have any idea what is in the ingredients they are using to make your juice. The vendor can contact their supplier to find out what is in the raw materials they buy to make your ejuice; many do not take the time to do that. There are no rules, regulations or laws or FDA to monitor or supply guidelines to be followed in the making of the ejuice we inhale. You need to be able to trust your vendor. That is hard when they will not or can not tell you if a particular ingredient like cinnamon or pg is in the juice they are selling you.
The deal with organics. If you are in the grocery store you will see all kinds of things labeled organic. Is it? Depends on who you ask and how it is defined. Here the FDA (or some agency of the govt) has laid out a list of things that must be met to be considered organic. Big agriculture interprets that in their own way to bend those rules. Who really knows what is organic unless you grow it yourself or know the local grower.
In relation to the juice we inhale, I have read a slew of threads with people claiming the strangest things are organic so they must be ok to vape. Just because it is good in aromatherapy or in skin cream or perfume, it is not necessarily ok to directly inhale it in a heated vaporized fashion into your lungs. Vaping has not been around long enough to really know long term effects to anything we are doing regarding vaping. Then again I could get hit by a bus crossing the street.
As vaping keeps trending there are going to be people making ejuice everywhere. It is not rocket science. It does not take tens of thousands of dollars to make some juice and sell it. Especially online. Some people will vape anything just to try it. I am seeing more aromatherapy and natural foods/vitamin/herbs type people getting interested in making ejuice. Is it safe? I do not know.
I personally am sticking with vendors that have been around for over a year, have a proven track record, will disclose what is in their juice and will talk to me if I have a problem. I also keep track of how other people who have problems are treated and if a problem is corrected or just the fire put out and business as usual.
I can not and will not vape anything with diacetyl or its substitutes in it or cinnamon. If a vendor will not tell me if their juices contain those few ingredients, then I do not do business with them. If they lie about it, I will spread the word. All I ask for is honesty. Not every vendor is going to make juice I can vape, it is fine if I can not vape it but do not lie. Most vendors are honest and take their juice making very seriously and do a good job at it. It is up to the consumer to find them and give them our business.
/End of rant
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atm i will be downgrading the amount of flavors i have, flavors for me might not work for you, so i say try them all, if u name it i might have tried it, atm caramel butterscotch and peaches and cream are my goto flavors
Damn, my timing totally sucks! On Thursday, I got a wimpy little car-battery charger for $30 from Harbor Freight. This morning I get a coupon e-mail from them, and they have one for their top-of-the line charger for the same price!
Then, all this talk of DIY Juices got me to finally order flavorings from MBW, probably an hour before JJ's post!
Anyway, JJ, do you have any experience with the following MBV Flavors?
555
Black Cherry
Cinnamon Roll
Cotton Candy
Guava
Jungle Juice
Moo Juice
Pear
Pineapple Upsidedown Cake
Vanilla Butternut
I'm hoping the vanilla butternut lives up to it's name; I've been dying to get a decent vanilla flavor.
what car battery charger? like a 18XXX battery charger? my i4 charger can run off of 12 volts (cigarette lighter in your car) if your buy the right box that has it included, or buy the cable separately.
I can hear your frustration, and as someone that has a "vaping allergy" I also empathize. There is NOTHING wrong with taking a break for a couple days, or as long as you need, to feel better. I hope you feel better soon, and that you're able to figure out what exactly is causing your symptoms.
That is a source that I hadn't considered for my allergies either ... but, considering how I'm soooooooo allergic to metals (metal touching my skin for about 1/2 hour leaves marks, and feels like, acid burning through it) I might have to revisit that one -- especially since some days I've having reactions to even 25%VG (if I chain vape and don't smoke at all).
Read this article. Notice symptoms like headaches, gastrointestinal, sores.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/753985
Says I gotta join before reading the link.
Maybe it's because I'm on a tablet?
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