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Tim I am going thru that right now in fact..it's weird it even feels like it seeps from my pores, and Mt lips get wicked dry. But that is the price to pay. Andria actually gave a killer tip, and coconut water to either lemonade or og. That helps the weird tongue thing

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My goal for tomorrow is 1/2 pack. Didn't keep track today, but think I polished off at least a pack.

Coconut water is the stuff! It doesn't taste that great, even the natural not-from-concentrate expensive kind, so I mix it with pineapple juice. It just tastes like pineapple juice then. :D

And I know it sounds ridiculous, but I really did find keeping a
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tally worked GREAT for not letting my smoking get out of hand, and running a competition with myself, to see if each day I could get even 1 cigarette lower. I didn't always manage it, but when I did, woohoo, high-five! :D

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Loving these tips! I can't stomach coconut water, but I love pineapple juice! [emoji5]️

I had to stop "keeping score!" My ticker down there is not correct, for a long time I went back to dual use. Some weeks one cigarette, some days 5 or 6, and a couple times I got over a pack a day again!!

When I decided to just stop bumming them, stop buying them, and stop sneaking a puff off my sister; I don't remember how long it's been!! A few weeks? Anyway, I have to count my success this way:

Today I didn't smoke! Today I didn't have the desire to smoke. Today didn't kill me!!
 

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Loving these tips! I can't stomach coconut water, but I love pineapple juice! [emoji5]️

Yeah, I can't take the taste of it by itself; it's *salty* along with sweet... that's just disgusting. So I mix it 50/50 with pineapple juice, and it just tastes like pineapple juice -- and pineapple juice is also high in potassium. :thumb:

I had to stop "keeping score!" My ticker down there is not correct, for a long time I went back to dual use. Some weeks one cigarette, some days 5 or 6, and a couple times I got over a pack a day again!!

That's exactly WHY I had to "keep score" (with my tally marks) -- it's bad enough for me just to KNOW I smoked over a pack a day, but when I did that back in the summer, my husband yelled at me because cigarettes are so bloody expensive! Bad enough to browbeat myself about smoking, then have him yelling at me for the expense? NO THANKS! The expense is at least half the reason I switched to vaping; I couldn't really afford to smoke anymore, at $5.69/pk.

I have to keep my "ticker" accurate, so I know where I'm at, in the "recovery" process -- I have those emotional problems around the 3wk and 3mo marks, if I'm not using WTA, and sometimes, even WITH WTA... the last few days, I've been feeling depressed, and I don't know which is more to blame, cigarette withdrawal or these bleeping stupid doctors that refuse to be reasonable (from my appendectomy)... they don't seem to get that "no job and no insurance" means that a bill for around $2000 is going to plunge me into pure despair, because I certainly can't pay it. Today I'm going to call the hospital's financial counselor and see if that Trust that paid 96.5% of my hospital bill can do anything about the surgeon ($2225) and anesthesiologist ($1885). :(

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If you do that you might as well just smoke cigarettes, if you use the tobacco from cigarettes you are still getting all of the harmful chemicals BT puts in them.

The people who make their own tobacco extracts use tobacco that does not have all of those additives and that is a huge difference.

It's amazing to me how "user-driven" vaping is. The community has made vaping what it is. Yes, you have advancements by this or that company based on R&D, but a lot of advancements are from the tinkerers.
I am still not aware of the pyramid teabags. Gonna have to google that one.

Speaking of tinkering: I have seen one or two videos about people steeping tobacco in PG/VG. I am considering putting about 30ml of a PG/VG mix in a food processor with the tobacco from a pack of cigarettes. Of those who have tried this that I have seen, they just pretty much stuffed the tobacco "as is" in the mix. Thinking food processor will help "puree" the leaf to maximize surface area and, by result, the extraction process.

Then again I may not do this. Just thoughts in the head right now. After all, I have a storehouse of nic concentrate as well as a few WTA bottles. Not really NECESSARY but thought interesting to try.
 

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I'm not trying to sound harsh here or judgemental, I'm just trying to be honest. :)

Those of us in this forum who have been smoke free for over a year did NOT have an easy time quitting, the first 3 months were very very difficult. We went through withdrawal just as we would have had we quit without vaping. Vaping is not a magic potion to let you quit without any difficulty, you still have to be tough and make the decision not to smoke and suffer through it.

What vaping does is help, when the cravings are bad you vape your head off until the cravings ease up and eventually they ease up enough that vaping becomes satisfying. Honestly what vaping does is allow you to continue going through the motions of smoking without inhaling all of the harmful chemicals.

To be able to quit smoking completely you have to take full responsibility for your actions and realize that smoking is a choice you make, no one or nothing forces you to go back to smoking but YOU. Vaping helps but the work to get there is still on you.

Ask Thaya and Shari and they will tell you the same thing, it wasn't easy for any of us and the support and encouragement we got from each other was as important as vaping.

We did it and you can too, you just have to want to do it badly enough. I still have an occasional craving but it passes quickly now and I know it will pass and that I am far better off vaping.

Please don't think I am trying to be judgemental, think of this as tough love. :)
 

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Let me clarify a little I did not/ do not want to quit smoking, I enjoy smoking! What I wanted was to be able to continue smoking and still be able to breathe and walk at the same time, to stop coughing up all of that crap. I wanted to keep doing the enjoyable act of smoking without the harmful effects of cigarette smoking.

I simply wanted to have my cake and eat it too, I wanted to keep smoking and not have it kill me, I didn't want to end up carrying around an oxygen tank, but I didn't want it enough to really tough it out and just quit completely.

I am 66 years old but I was closer to 80 until I switched from cigarettes to vaping, now I am feeling much much better. I have always gotten deathly ill with a cold and it would go into bronchitis and take 3 or 4 months to get over it, and even then never back to where I was before the cold. I am now on day 11 of a cold and while I have had all of the normal symptoms and have felt pretty rough, I have not gotten half as sick as I normally do. This will be gone in a few more days without the bronchitis.

Honestly I am trying to be supportive and helpful, I am not trying to be critical of any of you. :) I am trying to support you in what you say you want to do.
 

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If you do that you might as well just smoke cigarettes, if you use the tobacco from cigarettes you are still getting all of the harmful chemicals BT puts in them.

The people who make their own tobacco extracts use tobacco that does not have all of those additives and that is a huge difference.

That's a good point. However, even w/ "organic" tobacco, I doubt that I will even go through w/ this. Like I said, I don't really have a NEED to do it, and after sleeping on it, the idea is starting to fade anyways. But I do appreciate you bringing up that point.
 

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Hey, Claudia, long time no see.

Claudia is trying to help, but it's hard to put into words without sounding a little condescending, especially when you've succeeded in your battle against cigarettes when others have not. It is hard to quit the smokes, nobody can deny that. Vaping is the best substitute available, but even then it is difficult...more for some than others. I think some of it has to do with your motivation to quit. If it's just to save money, it can be more difficult, since we always managed to find money for cigarettes no matter how tight the budget was. It seems to be a bit easier if you have a looming or present health issue, since you have a concern for the immediate future rather than something you think may be a long way down the road.

The other important part of succeeding in vaping is to find the right equipment and juice that satisfies your particular needs. This can be especially difficult given the vast array of products available nowadays. Trial and error is fun at first, but soon becomes disappointing and costly, leading many to go back to smoking. Reading reviews can help with equipment, but juice is a different story since we all have such varying preferences and taste things differently. Taste testing at a B&M juice bar or juice swaps can help with that.

The most important and valuable part of switching to vaping is establishing a presence on ECF and this thread in particular. There's nothing like connecting with others in the same situation as you. The suggestions, pats on the back, lifting me up when I failed, and connections made here were the touchstone I needed to quit. I could not have done it otherwise. I know because I tried twice before without ever posting and I failed miserably. I just wish that more people frequented this thread to help those in distress.

Just remember the old quote, "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a hundred times." Never quit quitting. You never know when it might actually work. Good luck to all who are struggling.
 

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Thank you Thaya you said it much better than I did. :) You really do have to be motivated to quit or it just won't work. You have to believe that smoking IS going to kill you and that you will suffer terribly in the process.

The first time I quit I was successful for 7.5 years and I really really was completely over all of the cravings, I know that sounds crazy and why did I ever start again. I'll start with my motivation to quit that time, my stepdad was in the hospital and his roommate was dying of lung cancer. During my visits there I got to see first hand what it is like to die of lung cancer AND how it was affecting that man's family, he was in end stage and gasping for every breath, between choking on his own fluids. It was horrible to watch. After that I did quit cold turkey and I was sick and nearly housebound for 2 years before I started to feel better and be able to go out and about again.

7 years after that my husband of 25 years was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer, not from smoking, he had quit while in his 20's. I made it through all of his chemo and the 9 months of torture that cancer put him through before he died and not once did I even think about smoking, even though I was in close contact almost all of that time with smokers. After he died I wanted to die, as far as I was concerned my life was over, I started smoking again as a stupid semi passive suicide attempt.

I also began drinking a LOT at that time, I would sit and drink and smoke until I passed out, it was the only way I could sleep, I wasn't drinking cocktails either I was drinking straight Tequila, a 5th every other day. Of course eventually I began to want to live again and life improved but by then I was hooked again and in a new relationship with a smoker. Had I been alone I could have simply quit cold turkey but since he is still smoking I knew I couldn't do it without a LOT of help.

It's been very very difficult, but I've done it and finally reached the point where the smell of cigarette smoke is nauseating to me, thankfully he gave up sex a few years ago and is not particularly affectionate because the smell of smoke on him turns my stomach now. I doubt he will ever quit even though both his mother and brother died of emphysema, I hope he will, but I doubt it. He talks about it but never does anything about it and is not a fan of vaping, thankfully he does not smoke in the house and I am not allowed to vape in the house either but neither of us had smoked in the house for about 10 years.

I think if I had to give one thing to try if you really want to quit is to stop smoking inside at all, make yourself go outside and after you've done that for a while then try again.
 

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I'm not trying to sound harsh here or judgemental, I'm just trying to be honest. :)

Those of us in this forum who have been smoke free for over a year did NOT have an easy time quitting, the first 3 months were very very difficult. We went through withdrawal just as we would have had we quit without vaping. Vaping is not a magic potion to let you quit without any difficulty, you still have to be tough and make the decision not to smoke and suffer through it.

What vaping does is help, when the cravings are bad you vape your head off until the cravings ease up and eventually they ease up enough that vaping becomes satisfying. Honestly what vaping does is allow you to continue going through the motions of smoking without inhaling all of the harmful chemicals.

To be able to quit smoking completely you have to take full responsibility for your actions and realize that smoking is a choice you make, no one or nothing forces you to go back to smoking but YOU. Vaping helps but the work to get there is still on you.

Ask Thaya and Shari and they will tell you the same thing, it wasn't easy for any of us and the support and encouragement we got from each other was as important as vaping.

We did it and you can too, you just have to want to do it badly enough. I still have an occasional craving but it passes quickly now and I know it will pass and that I am far better off vaping.

Please don't think I am trying to be judgemental, think of this as tough love. :)


Claudia, I do not think your posts were judgmental or condescending. I actually read them on my last break and spent some time digesting what you had said.
There was something in particular that REALLY stood out to me, bounced around in my head and forced me to look at an aspect to this I hadn't considered before.

For me, my first go at vaping WAS a "magic cure." I had little difficulty making the jump. Yes, I had experienced some mood swings for a couple months, but there wasn't a craving I couldn't vape through, and didn't take much effort to do so. I was successful for a little over a year. I even remember a moment in there where I lit an analog, took a drag or two and IMMEDIATELY put it out saying, "I don't want this. This is nasty. Gimme my vape!"

I let myself (my fault) be brought into a false sense of security. "Switching to vaping is EASY," I thought.

Well, now I see how fortunate I was my first time, and yes, I see now that I took that for granted. Every quit is different, they say. Now, I see that is just as true w/ vaping.

I think up until you posted that and caused me to reflect on these things, I had subconsciously been trying to "catch lightening in a bottle" a second time. My unfair expectations on vaping has led to my repeated disappointments. But I see my error now.

Yes, vaping is a powerful tool. Arguably the best one out there. In comparison, vaping is like using an electric compound miter saw where other cessation/alternative methods are a rusty hand saw. But you are right, any tool is only as good as the person working said tool.

So thank you for your comments. They have uplifted and encouraged me, but more than that, they unlocked some things inside I had failed to look at.
And I know this realization itself isn't a magic pill, either. I still have work to do, and may still have some hits and misses. But "moments of clarity" like this are essential, because the understanding does aid in fighting yourself less and fighting the cigs more and more effectively. (And yes, I realize ultimately it's all a battle w/ self, but I think you know what I am trying to say.)
 
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I'm not trying to sound harsh here or judgemental, I'm just trying to be honest. :)

Those of us in this forum who have been smoke free for over a year did NOT have an easy time quitting, the first 3 months were very very difficult. We went through withdrawal just as we would have had we quit without vaping. Vaping is not a magic potion to let you quit without any difficulty, you still have to be tough and make the decision not to smoke and suffer through it.

What vaping does is help, when the cravings are bad you vape your head off until the cravings ease up and eventually they ease up enough that vaping becomes satisfying. Honestly what vaping does is allow you to continue going through the motions of smoking without inhaling all of the harmful chemicals.

To be able to quit smoking completely you have to take full responsibility for your actions and realize that smoking is a choice you make, no one or nothing forces you to go back to smoking but YOU. Vaping helps but the work to get there is still on you.

Ask Thaya and Shari and they will tell you the same thing, it wasn't easy for any of us and the support and encouragement we got from each other was as important as vaping.

We did it and you can too, you just have to want to do it badly enough. I still have an occasional craving but it passes quickly now and I know it will pass and that I am far better off vaping.

Please don't think I am trying to be judgemental, think of this as tough love. :)


I agree completely; it is a choice that you have to make and then stick to, if you really want it to work. However, I will say that for me, WTA eliminated 99% of cravings, and 95% of depression -- but I had already made the commitment to not smoke; it wasn't a "I'll try this and if it doesn't work, I can always just smoke." It was a GODSEND because I had already made the commitment, and the cravings were killing me.

I went back to smoking in the summer, after my surgery, because vaping tasted HORRIBLE after 4 days of no eating, vaping, or even drinking much, but I did it knowing full well that it was a temporary make-do, until I could vape enough to get back my "taste" for it -- if something tastes bad to me, I just can't and won't do it. So, I smoked for a month, all the while trying to increase my vaping at every possible opportunity. When I finally quit again, I was still smoking 5 a day -- but I knew if I could manage to only smoke 5 a day, I could also manage just fine without them, thanks to vaping. And also, once I got below 10 a day, they tasted horrible -- see above, if something tastes bad to me, I just can't and won't do it; the entire point of trying to vape more at every opportunity, was because I knew that the more I vaped, the worse the cigarettes would taste -- and they did.

If you really want to be a non-smoker, you just have to keep reminding yourself of that, because as long as you smoke even one a day, you're not a non-smoker, and every one that you smoke is reinforcing the smoking habit. Everytime you vape instead of smoke, you're reinforcing THAT habit.

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Ok ladies and gents, riddle me this:

I effing LOVE smoking. The way it helps me deal with anger and stress, the way it never failed to be there for me when I needed it, the way it allows me to be a little bit of a rebel.

I effing HATE smoking. It's so expensive and stinks really bad, I stayed sick with bronchitis (more $$$$ for doctor bills and medicine) 4 to 6 times a year. It's inconvenient to go outside in the rain/snow/blazing heat, and it's one of the few PC things left to discriminate against.

I effing NEED to smoke, my body and brain are addicted to them. There is no reasoning with an addiction, 17 years sober now and it was SO much easier to put down the bottle.

I effing HAD to quit smoking, because I couldn't quit paying the electric bill or buying groceries, and I could not handle a second job just to pay for smoking.

So when your quit doesn't come from a true DESIRE to quit, and it's so damn hard and stressful and irritating to quit, and vaping confounds you and trips you up and you can't make anything work for you or satisfy the desire to smoke, or your equipment fails and a pack is cheaper than a new device, or your family buys you a pack so you'll chill out and .... already!!

Then how are you supposed to hang onto your quit? How are you supposed to convince yourself that "this too shall pass" or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" or "embrace the suck!"

My mental health declined very rapidly, from my last cigarette it was exactly four months and I was bedridden practically comatose and deeply depressed. I still have this suspicious feeling that quitting caused me to go crazy, and so I started smoking again and was SCARED to stop because I would lose the last shred of sanity I still had.

Rational loses to neurotic every time. Sorry to be such a downer, but let's be real here. When I was struggling the very LAST thing I wanted to hear was "you really have to want it" or that something was really wrong with me because I couldn't do it.

This thread convinced me that I wasn't alone in my struggles and that other people understood and we could console each other. This thread convinced me that my crutch was really useless and gave me hope that quitting was doable even while painful and frustrating.
 

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Ok ladies and gents, riddle me this:

I effing LOVE smoking. The way it helps me deal with anger and stress, the way it never failed to be there for me when I needed it, the way it allows me to be a little bit of a rebel.

I effing HATE smoking. It's so expensive and stinks really bad, I stayed sick with bronchitis (more $$$$ for doctor bills and medicine) 4 to 6 times a year. It's inconvenient to go outside in the rain/snow/blazing heat, and it's one of the few PC things left to discriminate against.

I effing NEED to smoke, my body and brain are addicted to them. There is no reasoning with an addiction, 17 years sober now and it was SO much easier to put down the bottle.

I effing HAD to quit smoking, because I couldn't quit paying the electric bill or buying groceries, and I could not handle a second job just to pay for smoking.

So when your quit doesn't come from a true DESIRE to quit, and it's so damn hard and stressful and irritating to quit, and vaping confounds you and trips you up and you can't make anything work for you or satisfy the desire to smoke, or your equipment fails and a pack is cheaper than a new device, or your family buys you a pack so you'll chill out and .... already!!

Then how are you supposed to hang onto your quit? How are you supposed to convince yourself that "this too shall pass" or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" or "embrace the suck!"

My mental health declined very rapidly, from my last cigarette it was exactly four months and I was bedridden practically comatose and deeply depressed. I still have this suspicious feeling that quitting caused me to go crazy, and so I started smoking again and was SCARED to stop because I would lose the last shred of sanity I still had.

Rational loses to neurotic every time. Sorry to be such a downer, but let's be real here. When I was struggling the very LAST thing I wanted to hear was "you really have to want it" or that something was really wrong with me because I couldn't do it.

This thread convinced me that I wasn't alone in my struggles and that other people understood and we could console each other. This thread convinced me that my crutch was really useless and gave me hope that quitting was doable even while painful and frustrating.

I am usually really proficient at putting my thoughts and feelings in script/text/whatever, but after reading that I am at a loss for words.
But I know your feel.

I mean I really DO feel like I am making headway. So far, I have kept my 1/2 pack goal. But truth be told, I JUST put out my 10th cig today.
Hopefully, I will stop there and vape thru the rest of the night, but I did also plan on sparsing them out better so I still had 1 or 2 before I went to bed. Got stressed earlier and those few I had allocated for the evening got smoked.

So obvioulsy, I, too, am still struggling. Got a lot more going on this quit than last. Not saying woe is me. Just what it is.

However, I didn't smoke FOUR PACKS today, which I had been doing every day last week (and the weeks before).

So, I guess there is something to the saying "don't count the analogs you smoked; count the ones you didn't."

I dunno, bro. I guess we are all doing the BEST we can. As long as you can say that at the end of each day, no matter the thing you apply effort to, you have done something. Something is better than nothing. Yes, we have to be honest w/ ourselves that we are actally doing the best we can. And no, your best today isn't going to be the same tomorrow, Sometimes my best is better than the day before. Sometimes it's worse.

This still doesn't convey all that went thru my heart and mind when I read that. But your post deserved some response, I felt.
I guess what I am trying to say is I sympathize. Don't give up. And if vaping helps you smoke LESS rather than making you smokeless, well that's better than nothing,.
 
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Thank you. I relate a lot to everything you said, esp.
"When quiting doesn't come from a true desire to quit".
No magic words of wisdom though. I'd like to say "one day at a time"
but what if that never produces the results I want? IDK.
Hugs. Be kind to yourself.
That works better for me.
Maybe it's just not that important to reach zero 100% of the time?
If it was, I'd consider risking my life and take Chantix. But it's not.

PS. I really think there's more we're addicted to than nicotine in cigarettes.





Ok ladies and gents, riddle me this:

I effing LOVE smoking. The way it helps me deal with anger and stress, the way it never failed to be there for me when I needed it, the way it allows me to be a little bit of a rebel.

I effing HATE smoking. It's so expensive and stinks really bad, I stayed sick with bronchitis (more $$$$ for doctor bills and medicine) 4 to 6 times a year. It's inconvenient to go outside in the rain/snow/blazing heat, and it's one of the few PC things left to discriminate against.

I effing NEED to smoke, my body and brain are addicted to them. There is no reasoning with an addiction, 17 years sober now and it was SO much easier to put down the bottle.

I effing HAD to quit smoking, because I couldn't quit paying the electric bill or buying groceries, and I could not handle a second job just to pay for smoking.

So when your quit doesn't come from a true DESIRE to quit, and it's so damn hard and stressful and irritating to quit, and vaping confounds you and trips you up and you can't make anything work for you or satisfy the desire to smoke, or your equipment fails and a pack is cheaper than a new device, or your family buys you a pack so you'll chill out and .... already!!

Then how are you supposed to hang onto your quit? How are you supposed to convince yourself that "this too shall pass" or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" or "embrace the suck!"

My mental health declined very rapidly, from my last cigarette it was exactly four months and I was bedridden practically comatose and deeply depressed. I still have this suspicious feeling that quitting caused me to go crazy, and so I started smoking again and was SCARED to stop because I would lose the last shred of sanity I still had.

Rational loses to neurotic every time. Sorry to be such a downer, but let's be real here. When I was struggling the very LAST thing I wanted to hear was "you really have to want it" or that something was really wrong with me because I couldn't do it.

This thread convinced me that I wasn't alone in my struggles and that other people understood and we could console each other. This thread convinced me that my crutch was really useless and gave me hope that quitting was doable even while painful and frustrating.
 
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Ok ladies and gents, riddle me this:

I effing LOVE smoking. The way it helps me deal with anger and stress, the way it never failed to be there for me when I needed it, the way it allows me to be a little bit of a rebel.

I effing HATE smoking. It's so expensive and stinks really bad, I stayed sick with bronchitis (more $$$$ for doctor bills and medicine) 4 to 6 times a year. It's inconvenient to go outside in the rain/snow/blazing heat, and it's one of the few PC things left to discriminate against.

I effing NEED to smoke, my body and brain are addicted to them. There is no reasoning with an addiction, 17 years sober now and it was SO much easier to put down the bottle.

I effing HAD to quit smoking, because I couldn't quit paying the electric bill or buying groceries, and I could not handle a second job just to pay for smoking.

So when your quit doesn't come from a true DESIRE to quit, and it's so damn hard and stressful and irritating to quit, and vaping confounds you and trips you up and you can't make anything work for you or satisfy the desire to smoke, or your equipment fails and a pack is cheaper than a new device, or your family buys you a pack so you'll chill out and .... already!!

Then how are you supposed to hang onto your quit? How are you supposed to convince yourself that "this too shall pass" or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" or "embrace the suck!"

My mental health declined very rapidly, from my last cigarette it was exactly four months and I was bedridden practically comatose and deeply depressed. I still have this suspicious feeling that quitting caused me to go crazy, and so I started smoking again and was SCARED to stop because I would lose the last shred of sanity I still had.

Rational loses to neurotic every time. Sorry to be such a downer, but let's be real here. When I was struggling the very LAST thing I wanted to hear was "you really have to want it" or that something was really wrong with me because I couldn't do it.

This thread convinced me that I wasn't alone in my struggles and that other people understood and we could console each other. This thread convinced me that my crutch was really useless and gave me hope that quitting was doable even while painful and frustrating.

I can completely relate -- which is why I smoked for 39 years! The last 15, if anyone ever had the nerve to ask me if I was ever going to quit, the answer was simply "No." Next subject -- my smoking was non-negotiable, not up for discussion at all. I don't really know how I've managed it, to be honest, other than, it was simply time to deal with it, and e-cigs came along at just the right time for me.

I've had so many health problems this year; first the stupid dehydration, electrolyte mayhem, cankles that looked look my grandmother's when she was 85, and no freaking clue what to do about it. As if that wasn't enough, my freaking appendix decided it was time to come out, and godalmighty, that was the worst pain I ever felt in my life, including labor, caesarian recovery, and many abscessed teeth -- but the pain wasn't HALF as bad as the godawful SICK! afterward for 4 days -- when that was over, it was all I could do just to get out of bed and go to the bathroom, nevermind about making it out to the kitchen -- I had no idea at the time, but my husband fed himself and did the dishes for a week, and it was the 5th day before I even knew it. But the important part was, when I --an asthmatic -- had to have gen'l anesthesia for 45 minutes, I had been smoke-free for 3 1/2 months. That was purely a miracle, a gift from God, so I wasn't about to turn my back on it, even with that month back to smoking while I recuperated and got my taste for vapor back.

Have you ever tried WTA? Because it could very likely be physiological, the decline in mental health you described; I'm FAR more addicted to those trace alkaloids and MAOIs than I am to nicotine, and I have seen the proof of that since starting the WTA -- no cravings, but more importantly, no mood swings, no depression, no feeling of alienation, no anger for zero apparent cause -- basically I've just stayed myself, yet carried on vaping and not smoking -- which totally wigs me out everytime I realize it, but I have zero desire for a cigarette. Even when I'm ...... off at those stupid doctors that won't be reasonable with me, no desire to smoke; I just vape, sometimes I vape A LOT, and it's fine. It's got to be the WTA, because although I didn't *generally* have cravings the first go-round, when I got really frustrated with something -- I think it was dry-burning coils -- I *did* have cravings.

When you get to the point where you won't permit yourself to smoke, when it's simply no longer an option you're willing to consider, that'll be that. The hardest part is, everyone has to find that place, that time, for themselves. I had to do it with booze 22 yrs ago, and I had to do it this year, with smoking. If it's something you really want to find, keep looking, and eventually you will find it. What so many wise people around here said to me when I was smoking again and beating myself up about it, was that you're only a failure if you stop trying.

Andria
 

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When you get to the point where you won't permit yourself to smoke, when it's simply no longer an option you're willing to consider, that'll be that. The hardest part is, everyone has to find that place, that time, for themselves. I had to do it with booze 22 yrs ago, and I had to do it this year, with smoking. If it's something you really want to find, keep looking, and eventually you will find it. What so many wise people around here said to me when I was smoking again and beating myself up about it, was that you're only a failure if you stop trying.

Andria

Andria, I can't really get into all the whys and wherefores and all that

but that last paragraph

wow

and I'm not talking about smoking or vaping (and no, I personally am not using any other substances except copious amounts of caffeine)

but yeah, that last paragraph
exactly what i needed to read right now

thank you
 

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FQ, I'm so sorry to hear of the things you're going through. Addiction to anything is a terrible thing and so hard to gain control over, especially when you're going through stressful times. I know that being a single mom is difficult even with the best kids. Maybe you're better off being a dual user if quitting is so hard on you physically and mentally. Cutting down on your smoking using vaping is better than smoking exclusively. It cuts down on the harmful effects and helps with the cost, too.

I know how hard it is to quit even when you have the desire. Until my third attempt at vaping was successful, the longest I was able to hold off on the smokes was 1 month, more often it was only a few days or a week. Don't be so down on yourself for having such a hard time. Cutting down is still a success when it comes to smoking. Smoke when you need to smoke and vape the rest of the time. Some days smoking may be in the forefront, and some days vaping may be all you need. Just go with the flow.

You know you can talk to me anytime you need to. I just want to see you happy, whether you're a smoker, a vaper or both. When the time is right, it'll happen. Take care of yourself. :wub:
 
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