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Hope your joking about glowing your Ti coil Todai

Pulsing till the wire turns bright gold or bright blue/purple is good enough to oxidise for contact

But glowing will form a thick layer of Ti02 that breaks away quite easily and could end up in the vapour stream

What are the potential problems of say a hot leg or hot spot when using Ti vs ni200? I don't have any problems with Ni200 and still have about 80-90 feet so haven't really done any research on the pro's / con's of each.
 

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Is there anyone running the Ti Test Firmware that is NOT experiencing any Issues or quirkiness?

Works great for me too...

I am currently using two setups without any issues.
1. 0.39mm (~26 gauge) wire, 5.0 (spaced) wraps around 2.5mm bit -> 0.24 Ohm (on Tilemahos V2)
2. 0.34mm (27-28 gauge) wire, 7.5 (spaced) wraps around 2.5mm bit -> 0.43 Ohm (on Flash-e-Vapor V3)

The wire is titanium grade 1 from Zivipf (Germany). Powering both with ~20J, temperature is set to 220C (~430F). I built the second coil (with the thinner wire) yesterday to test TC with a higher resistance. I'm having no problems at all and the 0.43 Ohm coil works as expected. It's great! I'd say that there is definitely no upper limit at 0.3 or 0.4 Ohm for coil resistance with TC and titanium.
 

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What are the potential problems of say a hot leg or hot spot when using Ti vs ni200? I don't have any problems with Ni200 and still have about 80-90 feet so haven't really done any research on the pro's / con's of each.
I use slightly spaced coils and have never had a problem with hot legs on any titanium coil I assume that it must be possible to get a hot leg but since I haven't seen it I can't comment.

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What are the potential problems of say a hot leg or hot spot when using Ti vs ni200? I don't have any problems with Ni200 and still have about 80-90 feet so haven't really done any research on the pro's / con's of each.

With Ti the juice flavour is so clean you know instantly when there is a hot spot/short
You get a tainted flavour that is very noticeable
I have only had it a couple of times in the beginning when trying twisted that I did not oxidise first
It vaped great then urgh
Pulled it apart and it was clear to see the shorted part that had overheated [ will look for the pic I took ]
Another had one leg glow
Yellow arrows point to where coil created grey flaky Ti02 and the red arrow points to the flakes on the build deck

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Thanks notarobot. Great Feedback and good to hear it's working as it should for you although strange it does for some and is goofy for others.
Could possibly be directly attributed to different Atty Devices. That is the only real Variable in the Equation.
Could also be a totally or partially corrupted Firmware download or issues with the Test upgrade for some of us.
Interesting none the less.

When the 26 ga Ti comes in from unkammen, I'm going to build the Lemo2 and give it a whirl on the Ti Settings and see if I get Good or different Results than I did using the El Cabron RDA running Dual 28 ga coils coming in at .21 Ohm. We shall see....
 

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Thanks notarobot. Great Feedback and good to hear it's working as it should for you although strange it does for some and is goofy for others.
Could possibly be directly attributed to different Atty Devices. That is the only real Variable in the Equation.
Could also be a totally or partially corrupted Firmware download or issues with the Test upgrade for some of us.
Interesting none the less.

When the 26 ga Ti comes in from unkammen, I'm going to build the Lemo2 and give it a whirl on the Ti Settings and see if I get Good or different Results than I did using the El Cabron RDA running Dual 28 ga Coils coming in at .21 Ohm. We shall see....


I suspect the issue lies with resistance lock being out Hitcat

When ever mine matches steam engines calcs I have no problem

I have had issues in the past, then checked against SE and have been out
 
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With Ti the juice flavour is so clean you know instantly when there is a hot spot/short
You get a tainted flavour that is very noticeable
I have only had it a couple of times in the beginning when trying twisted that I did not oxidise first
It vaped great then urgh
Pulled it apart and it was clear to see the shorted part that had overheated [ will look for the pic I took ]
Another had one leg glow
Yellow arrows point to where coil created grey flaky Ti02 and the red arrow points to the flakes on the build deck

View attachment 469569

Ugghhhh that looks bad. Seems to me some of the flakes could just about as easily be sucked into the vapor stream as being dropped onto the deck?
 
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Great Intel and Imagery QM. Thanks much.
Be an awesome Reference for us Ti Newbs (excluding Ti Master Sensei druckle et al of course :thumbs:) and those to come later to the "Silly Pointless Net Nerd Ti Fad" ;)

I owe my Ti induction to the great Ti Safety thread started by @TheotherSteveS

& @tchavei for pointing me in that direction

Between them and Duane [ @druckle ] and a few others I believe that thread geared up manufacturers to start looking at Ti

Its a humongous thread of good info now if you have the time to spare

Titanium wire, vaping and safety | E-Cigarette Forum
 

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Ugghhhh that looks bad. Seems to me some of the flakes could just about as easily be sucked into the vapor stream as being dropped onto the deck?

Yes mate, that was my concern at first

But stuck with it and since annealing gently with a lamp till shiny gold through to blue

or

pulsing at 5w prior to use have not had an issue since
 
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I suspect the issue lies with resistance lock being out Hitcat

When ever mine matches steam engines calcs I have no problem

I have had issues in the past, then checked against SE and have been out

I was REAL careful in that regard and actual SX reading came in to coincide with SE Calcs.
I also cleaned the RDA quite well with Isopropyl (as you point out above). The El Cabron is a pretty Basic Design and well built with great static seemless contact Points so the Device isn't "unstable" normally in all previous applications.
I even went as far to allow to cool back to Room Temp over an hour then rechecked.
But just to be sure, I am going to build and run the Lemo2 Saturday morning (before the Family gets up so can concentrate without any Mamby-Jahamby distractions) and give the Ti Profile Settings another whirl.
Those results should tell me if the Firmware or download thereof is Good or not.
If it's All Good on that, then twas either my shortcoming in the initial Build, or the El Cabron RDA Device itself, or both.
If not,,,, Time to Punt, Huddle, and run a new Play.
 
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I was REAL careful in that regard and actual SX reading came in to coincide with SE Calcs.
I also cleaned the RDA quite well with Isopropyl (as you point out above). The El Cabron is a pretty Basic Design and well built with great static seemless contact Points so the Device isn't "unstable" normally in all previous applications.
I even went as far to allow to cool back to Room Temp over an hour then rechecked.
But just to be sure, I am going to build and run the Lemo2 Saturday morning (before the Family gets up so can concentrate without any Mamby-Jahamby distractions) and give the Ti Profile Settings another whirl.
Those results should tell me if the Firmware or download thereof is Good or not.
If it's All Good on that, then twas either my shortcoming in the initial Build, or the El Cabron RDA Device itself, or both.
If not,,,, Time to Punt, Huddle, and run a new Play.

I have had varied results with different tanks/rda's
But every time without fail its been bang on with my subtank mini's [since following my cleaning and annealing steps above]
As a result have ordered some more as backups :)
 
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I owe my Ti induction to the great Ti Safety thread started by @TheotherSteveS

& @tchavei for pointing me in that direction

Between them and Duane [ @druckle ] and a few others I believe that thread geared up manufacturers to start looking at Ti

Its a humongous thread of good info now if you have the time to spare

Titanium wire, vaping and safety | E-Cigarette Forum

Yep and +1 to those Pioneering Ti Masters and that Thread.
Read all 70+ Pages of it and WOWZERS, what a Read it was.
But in the end of the Crash Course, much better off and ready to Rock. Albeit with some growing Pains and a twisty Learning Curve still a great Mission to enlist in. Failure is NOT an Option and eventual Victory shall be had.
 

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I got a bad case of ocd with cleaning my deck though

Bought some pure alcohol and make sure all contact surfaces are spotless prior to building

Helps to get an accurate resistance lock too

I just toss my stuff in the ultrasonic cleaner with water and a drop of dish soap. I don't use alcohol because it weakens the chromium oxide layer of stainless steel.
 

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Yep and +1 to those Pioneering Ti Masters and that Thread.
Read all 70+ Pages of it and WOWZERS, what a Read it was.
But in the end of the Crash Course, much better off and ready to Rock. Albeit with some growing Pains and a twisty Learning Curve still a great Mission to enlist in. Failure is NOT an Option and eventual Victory shall be had.

It is worth the pain
My juice tastes so much better now
 

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I just toss my stuff in the ultrasonic cleaner with water and a drop of dish soap. I don't use alcohol because it weakens the chromium oxide layer of stainless steel.

Ok, next step I shall go posh like @Yozhik and get a ultrasonic cleaner

That will make cleaning multiple tanks easier too
 

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I just toss my stuff in the ultrasonic cleaner with water and a drop of dish soap. I don't use alcohol because it weakens the chromium oxide layer of stainless steel.
Does it interact with the cosmic ray field around the coil? ;)

Duane
 

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I have had varied results with different tanks/rda's
But every time without fail its been bang on with my subtank mini's [since following my cleaning and annealing steps above]
As a result have ordered some more as backups :)

That will be my 3rd Trial.
My 3rd STM (black) will arrive from Kanger Online HK on Thursday. Will build it Saturday Morning as well.
Hopefully the Lemo2 and STM reserved for Ti will be stellar Sucesses and I can rearm the El Cabron with Kanthal and return it to its normal Duty Station in my Mechanized Armor Division (Mech Boxes).
 
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