TC: Any reason against it?

[BillW50]

Thicker wraps? How?
I would love to see that but even Aspire gives us the same crappy thin wraps. Why? Because there’s no room for thicker wraps.

Mine are. Maybe you got fake Aspire batteries. And sure there is room for thicker wraps. You just manufacture the cells sightly smaller to commentate the thicker wrap. Then people like you can claim it is an under performer compared to this slick super thin wrapped battery. But you are trading safety for performance. I rather have the safety myself.

Putting batteries in a room for two months is not a good testing practice. It’s just a way to catch their exploding cells before they leave the factory...hopefully. Good practice is having good enough process control to not need to store cells for such a stunningly long time before they can be sold.

No they sit in a hot fireproof room, big difference. Lots of problems with lithium batteries being shipped and there are now restrictions, thanks to those problems. And one problem is shipping them in hot climates. They should be tested in heat instead of others involving planes, ships, trucks, and human life doing the testing for them. Manufactures like Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, etc. should clean up their manufacturing act.

 

[dripster]

Actually no, I am currently vaping on my Pulse BF Box Mod. No regulation here.

Sounds legit. Goes on page after page propelling TC. Finally admits to not using TC. Impressive.

 

[Vape Magoo]

I have a Vandy Vape Berserker Mini RTA. It's a great RTA, but due to its size (22mm), the coil can't be too large, or it doesn't fit. My NI200 wire is 30ga, and that's too thin for the Berserker, I can't get more than 0.2 resistance or the coil gets too large, plus I don't like to work with such thin wire. I also have KA1 24ga, that seems like a good size, would that be ok for SS316 too?

I used 26ga ss316l in my Berserker, I use SS316l 26ga for any coil I build, except for some Clapton wire I've never used (good chance I never will) it's all I have. I'm happy with it and have no reason to try anything else.

 

[dripster]

Mine are. Maybe you got fake Aspire batteries. And sure there is room for thicker wraps. You just manufacture the cells sightly smaller to commentate the thicker wrap. Then people like you can claim it is an under performer compared to this slick super thin wrapped battery. But you are trading safety for performance. I rather have the safety myself.

Thicker wraps are like training wheels on a bicycle.

No they sit in a hot fireproof room, big difference. Lots of problems with lithium batteries being shipped and there are now restrictions, thanks to those problems. And one problem is shipping them in hot climates. They should be tested in heat instead of others involving planes, ships, trucks, and human life doing the testing for them. Manufactures like Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, etc. should clean up their manufacturing act.

Hot fireproof rooms are like training wheels on a bicycle.

 

[BillW50]

Aspire just issued a frakkin’ recall for two of their cells due to exaggerated ratings and incorrect temperature and ratings data on their paper inserts! Every one of their two new cells sitting in their Aspire USA warehouse is being shipped back for rewrapping. They made HUGE safety and ratings errors with them.

Wow! Just mismarked wraps and inserts? Only if Sony's 10 million recall (2006), Samsung 2.5 million (2016), Dells, HPs, Panasonic, Apple, etc. would be so lucky. Theirs the batteries exploded.

Btw, Google doesn't show this news about Aspire yet. So where did you hear it?

 

[Myk]

Thanks. I've ordered a spool of 24ga and 28ga SS316L from fasttech, since they didn't seem to have anything in between in stock (or I haven't found it). I'm looking forward to receive it, hopefully TC will work as well as with NI200 (somewhere in a thread I've read that Arctic Fox and TC with SS316 didn't work well).

What are you talking TC in this battery thread for?

I messed with different gauges when I was using Titanium. I liked 26ga but wasn't going to not use my 28ga when the 26ga ran out.

24ga may be a little heavy if your mod can't put out enough wattage to speed it up but it probably can, it really comes down to ramp up time and fitting the resistance you want in a coil that fits (as you found with NI200). I think .5Ω is the minimum recommended resistance for accuracy with SS, I haven't had a problem with higher which should make it more accurate so if .5Ω of 28ga wasn't enough wire I wouldn't worry about going to .8Ω.
I think you'll find joy with 24ga and 28ga to suit any need.

I haven't had a problem with Arctic Fox with SS316L, not even with mesh screen (on other mods with SS316L mesh screen I had to use TCR to tone it down).

 

[dripster]

Wow! Just mismarked wraps and inserts? Only if Sony's 10 million recall (2006), Samsung 2.5 million (2016), Dells, HPs, Panasonic, Apple, etc. would be so lucky. Theirs the batteries exploded.

Btw, Google doesn't show this news about Aspire yet. So where did you hear it?

The reason why Aspire couldn't have done a 10 million racall in 2006 is because the number of batteries manufactured by Aspire in 2006 is zero. As for Samsung's 2.5 million in 2016,

Those Galaxy Note 7 cells were pouch LiPo’s, a completely different form factor and chemistry than what we use. The problem was not just the cells either. Samsung has made millions and millions of cylindrical cells with astoundingly low failure rates.

 

[dripster]

What are you talking TC in this battery thread for?

We're talking about Aspire's batteries' secret built-in TC feature that prevents these batteries from burning stuff up.

 

[AstroTurf]

Wow, this takes me right back to 1972. This is exactly like arguing with my teen friends whether Marlboro was better than Winston (obviously, it's a fact that Marlboro was better- and I can prove it).

You are right...

Marlboro Green, For The Win!!!

LOLz

 

[dripster]

Marlboro Green

The battery wraps on these were a bit too thin for my taste.

 

[tailland]

Concerning battery safety:

Hasn't vaping become an industry large enough, so we can start making demands of manufacturers of batteries?
If we had a lobby organisation, we could start contacting a/several manufacturers, talking to them about developing special batteries designed with the particular needs and safety concerns of vapers in mind...

That would be a proper outlet for your argumentative energies, if I may say so. That "somebody is wrong on the internet" passive aggresive posturing is alienating...

 

[Zaryk]

So have I, since the late 90's when I first started seeing them in laptops and RC vehicles.

Since you have been testing batteries since the late 90s, where might I find your results? I seemed to have found mooch's testing results posted on multiple places so it has the ability to help as many vapers be as safe as possible, but I seemed to overlook your test methods explaind, results, and relevant data.(Serious question, not being facetious). I have seen some second hand information like Google searches and YouTube videos mentioned. Until I can see some hard facts, I'm going to have to side with Mooch as he does provide plenty of hard data that he has produced first hand. He has kind of proven he DOES care for us vapers, and will speak the truth about the cells we use, no matter the name behind them. And until you can produce such data and proof, it kind of does seem more like trolling and spreading hearsay with nothing solid to back it up.

 

[Eskie]

Thicker wraps are like training wheels on a bicycle.

Hot fireproof rooms are like training wheels on a bicycle.

You must have been a terror as a kid when your friends were trying to learn how to ride a bicycle.

 

[DaveP]

Sony, LG, and Samsung are my trusted manufacturers (and AW years ago). TC is cool, but for my 10W vaping level power mode is simple and safe (referring back to the original title of this thread).

 

[dripster]

You must have been a terror as a kid when your friends were trying to learn how to ride a bicycle.

Friends are like training wheels on a bicycle.

 

[Myk]

Sony, LG, and Samsung are my trusted manufacturers (and AW years ago). TC is cool, but for my 10W vaping level power mode is simple and safe (referring back to the original title of this thread).

I think I'd be a low power vaper without TC. Right before TC I was messing with high power high mass and finding some satisfaction but hated the required airflow control for consistency.

 

[BillW50]

Since you have been testing batteries since the late 90s, where might I find your results?

I post some here, some in other forums. Some non-vape related like RC forums and computer forums.

I seemed to have found mooch's testing results posted on multiple places so it has the ability to help as many vapers be as safe as possible, but I seemed to overlook your test methods explaind, results, and relevant data.(Serious question, not being facetious).

Same as others. We find a battery that doesn't live up to it's claim and share the information.

I have seen some second hand information like Google searches and YouTube videos mentioned. Until I can see some hard facts, I'm going to have to side with Mooch as he does provide plenty of hard data that he has produced first hand. He has kind of proven he DOES care for us vapers, and will speak the truth about the cells we use, no matter the name behind them. And until you can produce such data and proof, it kind of does seem more like trolling and spreading hearsay with nothing solid to back it up.

I have nothing but respect for Mooch. But we sometimes disagree on some things. Like the only Aspire batteries I ever had are these 6 Aspire 26650 4300mah cells. I bought to run three Aegis mods. I bought them like Mar/Apr of this year and they were manufactured on 2017/08/19.

Aspire says they are 20A continuous at 4300mah. I tested them and I found the exact same thing. Mooch tested them and gave them a 30A continuous rating. I personally won't use them at 30A continuous myself, nor tell others it is ok to run them at 30A. But for Mooch it is a business. I personally won't ever want to benefit a single penny on what I do. I also pay for my equipment out of my own pocket. So I will never have a Youtube channel or anything or accept gifts from manufactures either.

 

[Zaryk]

I post some here, some in other forums. Some non-vape related like RC forums and computer forums

Links please. I am always interested in battery testing. If you have information that could help, I am always willing to listen. But the info you supplied is pretty veigue and I can't find anything except claims with no data.

 

[BillW50]

Links please. I am always interested in battery testing. If you have information that could help, I am always willing to listen. But the info you supplied is pretty veigue and I can't find anything except claims with no data.

I don't keep track of them or anything. Do you keep a log of all of your posts? I don't even have a blog log. Here is one graph I still have on my laptop from an Aspire 26650. Yes it was posted here before somewhere.

 

[Zaryk]

I don't keep track of them or anything. Do you keep a log of all of your posts? I don't even have a blog log. Here is one graph I still have on my laptop from an Aspire 26650. Yes it was posted here before somewhere.

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I do keep track of my posts. It happens automatically in my profile. I looked through your posts through your profile, got to page 15/30 before giving up since I found no viable information about batteries. Just a lot of evolv-ing thread posts.

Edit- I just finished going through 30 pages of your posts, and couldn't find anything that remotely looks like testing. One mention of "testing" amps in a mod not held close to your face, but that is far from any real scientific testing. I feel like I was lied to.