TC: Any reason against it?

[Eskie]

Nvm

 

[Eskie]

Just what happens if I try to explain to people why I don't like TC, besides an avalanche of fake old arguments? Nothing. Know what happens to those arguments if I point out why they're old and fake? They're the same.

Fake arguments. Fake news. How did we ever get to this point in history?

At least temp control vapers aren't enemies of the state. Yet.

 

[zoiDman]

Don't believe it. You can adjust TC for a power dominant vape to give you exactly the same vape as VV/VW does. In fact, Evolv's Replay does this in power mode.

And VV/VW is a PIA since you have to keep fiddling with the adjustment based on the temperature difference between the room vs. coil temperature.

Doesn't really matter if you Believe it or Not.

It's kinda like if someone says they Like salt on Eggs. You can state All the Reasons why You Don't Like salt on eggs. And then support it with facts about Salt or about Eggs.

But Long and the Short of it is Your Preferences have Nothing to do with Anyone Else's Preferences. So it is kinda an Exercise in Futility.

 

[zoiDman]

Fake arguments. Fake news. How did we ever get to this point in history?

At least temp control vapers aren't enemies of the state. Yet.

I would have Believe it if it had been Tweeted. Or if I read it on FB.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Wow, this takes me right back to 1972. This is exactly like arguing with my teen friends whether Marlboro was better than Winston (obviously, it's a fact that Marlboro was better- and I can prove it).

 

[BillW50]

Doesn't really matter if you Believe it or Not.

It's kinda like if someone says they Like Salt on Eggs. You can state All the Reasons why You Don't Like salt on eggs. And then support it with facts about Salt or about Eggs.

But Long and the Short of it is Your Preferences have Nothing to do with Anyone Else's Preferences. So it is kinda an Exercise in Futility.

Not true at all. TC can be setup exactly like VV/VW. In fact, it is exactly like VV/VW and the only stopping point is where you set the temperature. You can set it at 600°F if you like and that is the only wall. Otherwise you vape by wattage only and there is no difference between the two until the temp gets to 600°F. Now wattage will be throttled to allow no higher than 600°F.

 

[Letitia]

Kool's were better than both.

 

[zoiDman]

Not true at all. TC can be setup exactly like VV/VW. In fact, it is exactly like VV/VW and the only stopping point is where you set the temperature. You can set it at 600°F if you like and that is the only wall. Otherwise you vape by wattage only and there is no difference between the two until the temp gets to 600°F. Now wattage will be throttled to allow no higher than 600°F.

So let me get this straight.

You're say'n that a Person could set TC to 600F. Which BTW isn't really using TC for my Builds/Wattages because they Never reach that Temperature.

Or that a person could Fiddle with TCR's, Pre-Heats, and or do Custom Temp Curves, so that they can get a Hit which is like a VV/VW Hit?

Or they could by a $125+ Replay Mod which would Mimic the VV/VW Hit they are already getting?

I guess my Only Question is...

Why would Someone want to Jump thru all those Hoops, or go out and spend More Money, just to try and get something Similar to the hit they are Already getting with VV/VW?

Ya know, on Second Thought. I don't think I'll ask that Question.

Because the Answer will probably have something to do with Eggs and Salt. And just perpetuate the Circle Argument that what One Person thinks is Best is what Everyone should think is Best.

 

[zoiDman]

Kool's were better than both.

Your all on Shrooms.

Benson and Hedges are (were) Clearly Superior.

 

[stols001]

Did you know that BT here saves most of its best tobacco for overseas. I discovered this while importing Russian Marlboros and being like, "okay so bread lines, but the finest tobacco??"

Benson and Hedges are good... In England. LOL.

Dripster put me on ignore, but he did me the favor of announcing it first, LOL, so I don't talk to him anymore. Oy, we don't argue like we used to.

I still like his stuff when it's likeable. I'm not a grudge holder. Well, that much.

Anna

 

[Letitia]

Your all on Shrooms.

Benson and Hedges are (were) Clearly Superior.

B&H menthol were the worst.

 

[BillW50]

So let me get this straight.

You're say'n that a Person could set TC to 600F. Which BTW isn't really using TC for my Builds/Wattages because they Never reach that Temperature.

Hopefully nobody gets that hot. But I am sure somebody out there does. At that temperature virtually every juice would fry and some wicks too.

Or that a person could Fiddle with TCR's, Pre-Heats, and or do Custom Temp Curves, so that they can get a Hit which is like a VV/VW Hit?

Well kind of. If the overall TCR of everything is known (normally this is just figured out by coil only), then you are good to go if that is close enough. Which most of the time most use.

But there are two different ways to set TC. Evolv favored power dominant in the beginning. But most users and other manufactures went towards temperature dominant. Temperature dominate is easy to understand. Throw power to the coil(s) until it hits the temperature that you want and then throttle it. So your vape is only at this temp and nothing else.

Power dominant is a bit different. It works exactly like VV/VW and it never changes anything until it hits the the set temperature setting. If you understand wattage only, you understand power dominant TC.

Or they could by a $125+ Replay Mod which would Mimic the VV/VW Hit they are already getting?

I guess my Only Question is...

Why would Someone want to Jump thru all those Hoops, or go out and spend More Money, just to try and get something Similar to the hit they are Already getting with VV/VW?

Ya know, on Second Thought. I don't think I'll ask that Question.

Because the Answer will probably have something to do with Eggs and Salt. And just perpetuate the Circle Argument that what One Person thinks is Best is what Everyone should think is Best.

No not like that at all. Most figure the TCR based on the wire they are using and that generally works pretty well. Not perfect, but very close. Some want it better and then you have to figure out the TCR/resistance of everything in the circuit. This includes the copper wiring to the 510, the 510, the atty, and the coil(s). Okay well maybe 5% of the TC vapers are ever going to bother. I get that.

Or you can skip all this and just use Replay. It is just like VV/VW without the fiddling with changing room temp and coil temp stuff. There is no fiddling at all. How Replay works is by watching how you vape. You adjust be VW and when you adjust it to the way you like, and you save it. The Replay says ok I can do that and does that same vape every time.

Sure you continue on with VV/VW just the same as you have been and keep fiddling with the adjustments if you like. But I and others have other things to do than to waste our time on such petty tasks.

 

[suprtrkr]

VW mods, I have to constantly adjust the watts, based on how hot the coils are currently. What a PIA. And don't get me started with mechs. That 1 volt voltage drop drives me nuts (4.2v draining down to 3.2v). How do you put up with vaping when your voltage can vary by 25%?


Don't believe it! I still use nickel about half of the time. And also many non-TC coils still use nickel legs.


Do not believe it! I bought two Aegis Legends and in TC mode, they burn cotton and juice every time. They swing up like 100°F passed the set temp and then swing down to about 50°F lower than the set temp. Then slowly creep up to the set temperature. Many cheap mods also behave somewhat poorer too.

Well, I generally only put up with half a volt drop; at 3.7ish I want a fresh battery. As to how, just as I said: I can build a coil that will vary only a few watts over half a volt. And some of us like it. When the vape gets tjin, time to recharge.

 

[zoiDman]

Hopefully nobody gets that hot. But I am sure somebody out there does. At that temperature virtually every juice would fry and some wicks too.


Well kind of. If the overall TCR of everything is known (normally this is just figured out by coil only), then you are good to go if that is close enough. Which most of the time most use.

But there are two different ways to set TC. Evolv favored power dominant in the beginning. But most users and other manufactures went towards temperature dominant. Temperature dominate is easy to understand. Throw power to the coil(s) until it hits the temperature that you want and then throttle it. So your vape is only at this temp and nothing else.

Power dominant is a bit different. It works exactly like VV/VW and it never changes anything until it hits the the set temperature setting. If you understand wattage only, you understand power dominant TC.


No not like that at all. Most figure the TCR based on the wire they are using and that generally works pretty well. Not perfect, but very close. Some want it better and then you have to figure out the TCR/resistance of everything in the circuit. This includes the copper wiring to the 510, the 510, the atty, and the coil(s). Okay well maybe 5% of the TC vapers are ever going to bother. I get that.

Or you can skip all this and just use Replay. It is just like VV/VW without the fiddling with changing room temp and coil temp stuff. There is no fiddling at all. How Replay works is by watching how you vape. You adjust be VW and when you adjust it to the way you like, and you save it. The Replay says ok I can do that and does that same vape every time.

Sure you continue on with VV/VW just the same as you have been and keep fiddling with the adjustments if you like. But I and others have other things to do than to waste our time on such petty tasks.

Do you like Salt on Eggs?

 

[Letitia]

Hopefully nobody gets that hot. But I am sure somebody out there does. At that temperature virtually every juice would fry and some wicks too.


Well kind of. If the overall TCR of everything is known (normally this is just figured out by coil only), then you are good to go if that is close enough. Which most of the time most use.

But there are two different ways to set TC. Evolv favored power dominant in the beginning. But most users and other manufactures went towards temperature dominant. Temperature dominate is easy to understand. Throw power to the coil(s) until it hits the temperature that you want and then throttle it. So your vape is only at this temp and nothing else.

Power dominant is a bit different. It works exactly like VV/VW and it never changes anything until it hits the the set temperature setting. If you understand wattage only, you understand power dominant TC.


No not like that at all. Most figure the TCR based on the wire they are using and that generally works pretty well. Not perfect, but very close. Some want it better and then you have to figure out the TCR/resistance of everything in the circuit. This includes the copper wiring to the 510, the 510, the atty, and the coil(s). Okay well maybe 5% of the TC vapers are ever going to bother. I get that.

Or you can skip all this and just use Replay. It is just like VV/VW without the fiddling with changing room temp and coil temp stuff. There is no fiddling at all. How Replay works is by watching how you vape. You adjust be VW and when you adjust it to the way you like, and you save it. The Replay says ok I can do that and does that same vape every time.

Sure you continue on with VV/VW just the same as you have been and keep fiddling with the adjustments if you like. But I and others have other things to do than to waste our time on such petty tasks.

A petty task that takes less than half a second and doesn't require even looking at the screen. Mute point imo.

 

[Letitia]

Do you like Salt on Eggs?

gimme salty every time

 

[BillW50]

Well, I generally only put up with half a volt drop; at 3.7ish I want a fresh battery. As to how, just as I said: I can build a coil that will vary only a few watts over half a volt. And some of us like it. When the vape gets tjin, time to recharge.

Yes this is true for the most part. But some of us are a bit more picky. And one of the great things about mechs is efficiency. But if you are only using half of the capacity, that throws the efficiency down to 50% right there. Well kind of, since recharging doesn't take long either. But you are swapping batteries more often. So that counts too.

 

[BillW50]

A petty task that takes less than half a second and doesn't require even looking at the screen. Mute point imo.

Yeah a half a second now. But then there is weeks, months, and years. It adds up. If I can make all of the time disappear, count me in.

 

[Letitia]

Have a good day everyone. Let whoever wants it have the last word.

 

[Myk]

Do not believe it! I bought two Aegis Legends and in TC mode, they burn cotton and juice every time. They swing up like 100°F passed the set temp and then swing down to about 50°F lower than the set temp. Then slowly creep up to the set temperature. Many cheap mods also behave somewhat poorer too.

Judging from my Legend's builds in TC that had to be a bad reading or warm coil. The mesh I'm using is so light mass it would be even hotter. It was the only mod I had that didn't bump them to glowing with the button push.
The problem that matches my Legend experience and what I've seen is the wattage is more like a suggestion than a limit like it is with other mods.

People actually still use those RX200s? I bought two when they first came out and the TC was horrible. Thanks to the RX200, they got me to try DNAs. Then I heard one story about one guy was going to sleep and then smelled smoke. He turned on the light and his RX200 was just sitting there smoking. Then I removed the batteries from my RX200 mods and I never used them again. I only used my RX200 for about three weeks in total and that was it.

No such problems here. TC even worked other than you can't adjust the wattage. My only problem is it overly drains one battery when sitting. And sitting is what it mostly does.

I never made that particular claim. Instead, I claimed that I can use a custom power curve to make my coils ramp up faster without overheating anything, DESPITE the fact I'm not using TC.

Which is a false claim. There is nothing in VW curve that stops overheating. Got that? NOTHING.
If you have it set up to not overheat when you're not hitting on it you will be getting an anemic vape when you are hitting on it.

Just because you can't build coils that don't overheat in wattage mode after you vape on them in such a way that they don't overheat

I've been building vapes long before you knew what vaping was. And I've been bending small gauge wire professionally about 30 years before vaping. Get over yourself. If anything your over inflated ego has you incapable of learning.

Wow, I saw a one sided debate going down in this thread, then remembered I put dripster on ignore. Took him off and BAM, it was like the floodgates opened.

Quite funny watching him a argue his opinions as if they are facts. Like a picture of an unbalanced wicking job shows something negative about TC.

He's just about to head there for me. Every where I see him it's the same thing.

Not true at all. TC can be setup exactly like VV/VW. In fact, it is exactly like VV/VW and the only stopping point is where you set the temperature. You can set it at 600°F if you like and that is the only wall. Otherwise you vape by wattage only and there is no difference between the two until the temp gets to 600°F. Now wattage will be throttled to allow no higher than 600°F.

You can set TC up like that, at least on mods that have wattage as a hard setting. I suspect that's how many who hate TC have it set up judging from what I've seen, including too hot of temperatures to even be a limiting factor of dry/burnt hits.