the Aquav2 clone thread

[TheKiwi]

Drawing inspiration from interstellar...........

Maybe there's a wormhole from the official footoon manufacturing line that leads straight to the "Oem" factory in China. Hehehe

But seriously though. I'm not even concerned at all whether it's actually Oem. If it works well, I'm happy. Wub!


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[VaPreis]

I wouldn't admit to outsourcing to China either.

I suppose it's possible they outsourced to a Korean manufacturer who then outsourced the work to China...

or they have the parts made in China, then shipped to Korea for final assembly, inspection and oring installation.

Either way, Footoon has nothing to gain by admitting that they outsource. Remember, there was a Californian company that claimed to have a U.S.A. designed and made mod, which turned out to be a modified clone from China.

Edit: fasttech has proven to me that they are a reliable and honest company, and have dealt with me fairly when I have had QC issues with their products. I'll take their word over FooToon, whom I've never had dealings with, but from what I've read, have poor to non-existant customer service.
That picture is also of the 2nd run, the "dolphin" version. FT's is the 1st run, the "shark" version. No one seems to know if the nut knurling and o-rings changed between versions.

Personally, I think Footoon is in damage control mode right now. His hinting that it may have been "leaked" from the factory is all I needed to read. That or they are profiting from both ends.....

And as mentioned, this piece looks nice either way.

I watched the Suck My mod review of the authentic yesterday and didn't notice any red o-ring included with his. I could have missed it..... And then there was the part about his hybrid adaptor not being properly threaded (aka useless)

 

[roxynoodle]

FT may not be lying. Maybe the supplier is lying to them. Maybe the Korean factory outsourced to China. Maybe a rat. Doubtful any of us will ever know.

I agree about 93% of it looks authentic.

I actually had put it in my cart before I saw the word "authentic", lol! Because I wasn't looking for it. I had blown up the photos of the 3 to compare them, and decided that yes, IMO, it was worth $10 more. Then I went to add other things I needed. Needle bottles, spare Erlk tanks, atty stands. I saw it when I checked out. So I went back and started looking through the discussions.

 

[nasca]

fasttech guy said:

I don't want to call anyone lying.

Many of the parts of the original Aqua2 are imported from South Korea, but it is assembled and completed in the People's Republic of China. The OEM is made by the same factory in the same way.

I suppose FastTech does not have to say anything because everything will be clear as mud when customers receive their orders. But using partial facts or incomplete facts to cover up a potential screw up...

so, I think that's that: aqua v2 is mostly manufactured by footoon in korea, sent to china for finishing/assembly/packaging, and then sent back to footoon ready for final QC and card and spare parts insertion. in this case, someone hooked fasttech up with the product before being sent back to korea. maybe footoon signed a contract that he didnt understand that allowed the factory to assume some ownership of the product or a factory worker is a straight up thief and fasttech is dealing in stolen merchandise.

 

[PLANofMAN]

^^^impossible on them being stolen. FooToon said only 2,000 authentic Aqua v2's were made, and I bet FastTech sold that many in the first 30 minutes of the atty being listed. I think the contract idea is more plausible.

FastTech staff said the manufacturer didn't have the right to use the same packaging as the authentic...
...which implys that the manufacturer has other rights, up to and including the right to make this atty, just not the right to sell it as authentic.

 

[nasca]

but the machining was done in korea by footoon. so, the two thousand is a static number. no one but fasttech would know how many of these OEM models were purchased. perhaps footoon sent them 2000 plus extra in case of "loss" or defect. and fasttech is reselling those. and this is possible because footoon signed a contract made of deep chinese legalese that no one could understand without a team of lawyers that specialize in international trade.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Nope. FastTech would be showing "Out of Stock" if that were the case. Think about it.

Black Friday...Authentic...$35.31

I bet some people were buying these in lots of 10 to 100 at a time. Vendors and eBay resellers were, I'm sure.

 

[nasca]

I guess I dont follow what you're saying.

What's confusing is both fasttech and footoon say the pieces are machined in Korea by footoon and imported to china, so where are all the extras sold by fasttech coming from other than defects/seconds? it doesnt sounds like the chinese factory is duplicating the imported goods. fasttech is saying it's all made by the same hands and that's confirmed to be footoon's machinists.

this is turning into CSI Asia. lulz.

 

[Mtek]

Hopefully we will be receiving them soon.

The drama surrounding it, FT has much more to lose than Footoon. They have always had integrity and will tell you when a clone is a clone. They have zero reason to lie, zero....especially for an extra 4 bucks as the ones they labelled "clone" we're selling too. I trust them, as do many others. Footoon would be foolish not to deny, if it was my company Id go a step further, maybe post a vid of them going down the assembly line in Korea. I would do everything I could to protect my company and to prove they are not outsourced at all. The Chinese "oem" warehouse is safe though, as any litigation will probably expose footoons business practice. They'll most likely deal with this behind the scenes though, both sides saving face and the consumer staying in the dark.

 

[PLANofMAN]

From Geek (in response to the multitude of conspiracy theories):

I don't want to call anyone lying.

Many of the parts of the original Aqua2 are imported from South Korea, but it is assembled and completed in the People's Republic of China. The OEM is made by the same factory in the same way.

I suppose FastTech does not have to say anything because everything will be clear as mud when customers receive their orders. But using partial facts or incomplete facts to cover up a potential screw up...

 

[nasca]

that's right.

I think just means it's machined in korea by footoon and then finished (as in brushed matte and deburred, maybe threaded, etc), insulators and o-rings installed, and packaged up in china...and then sent back to footoon for the final seal of approval (authenticity card + spare parts, which explains the difference in o-rings and brass hybrid connector). that was the original plan, at least.

I'm guessing the "using partial facts or incomplete facts to cover up a potential screw up..." means footoon unknowingly agreed to have the outsourced factory replicate the aqua or keep the defects/extras for themselves via contract and instead of coming clean and admitting his mistake, he's in denial mode.

I'm leaning toward the notion that these are exact replicas made by the outsourced factory but considered "made by the same hands" or OEM as fasttech labels them solely because of the chinese assembly -- it's a loose semantics difference at this point what "manufactured" means. they're not quite clones, they're not quite authentic, they're OEM.

 

[WattWick]

Guess I'm not the only one who just recieved a mail. Looks like the plug has been pulled. Seems those who already ordered should still get theirs, tho.

As you may have noticed, this item is removed from our product listing for now. The original owner of this item Footoon has appealed the OEM (Original equipment manufacturer) factory to terminate supply to FastTech. However, please be assured your order won’t be affected and the original OEM version will be shipped to you as per the schedule.

 

[Mccannch]

Just received an email stating the product would be pulled but I would still receive mine. The wording on the email was interesting. Seems the clone company is being pressured by Footoon. Only way I think they would listen to them is if they were in jeopardy of losing business from them in the future. Hopefully I still get mine.


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[dravell]

It was pulled because Footoon got on it. New listing pops up as 1:1 clone with the exact same pics and exact same price, but without the tin case.
Oddly enough, on that "1:1 clone" they wont ship to South Korea, where Footoon is located....lol

Everything will be clear when people get their OEMs.

 

[nelsonm64]

glad I ordered one right off the hop, just hope I still get the tin

 

[Regzzz]

I wonder if the 115$ plastic card with the matching fake serial numbers is included?

 

[roxynoodle]

glad I ordered one right off the hop, just hope I still get the tin

Me, too. Its kinda cool.

I got the email as well, but it said I would get mine.

 

[Regzzz]

Me, too. Its kinda cool.

I got the email as well, but it said I would get mine.

Same here... will wait patiently..

 

[roosterado]

Next Vape Gear order will be The Aqua V2 1to1 Clone and the Russian 2.0 Clone

 

[nelsonm64]

Me, too. Its kinda cool.

I got the email as well, but it said I would get mine.

here's hoping Roxy