The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[renilyn]

Maybe both, sure. These are completely different flavorings and completely different cinnamon's. Very hard to describe the difference. 99% of the time, I do not use the cinnamon, because it's too intense even at very minor flavorings. You won't completely understand what I'm saying until you try it, but one is like softball, the other hard ball. Very different, at any dilution. I wouldn't dilute the cinnamon, I would just use it at .5% or less, and only in specific recipes. Sometimes you need it really strong to detect with a lot of other flavors, and it does that very well. But if you want it to be subtle, it's hardly that. I use the cinnamon in my cobbler at 1%, but that is the highest strength in any recipe, and it's an 8 ingredient mix, so it works to push through. Even so, I have people ask me to make without any cinnamon, it's that strong. Also, some people detect it easier than others, and it's just too strong, so consider the audience, and flavor to taste.

Regarding pie crust, I have had good results with it, but it's even better with graham cracker added with it. Pie crust can sometimes muddy the water. Another one that's hard to describe, without trying it. Just a suggestion, though.

Welllllllllllllllllll............ I'm just going to get the CB for now. Sounds like the other is something for "later" lol

Interesting point on the pie crust with graham cracker. Since graham flour is so very different when we bake with it (Oh boy does it make a killer loaf of bread !!!!!!!), I can grasp why combining the two flavors would compliment each other. I now have both in the cart Thank y'all!

 

[renilyn]

Makes sense to me Ren!

Good thing! Since I rarely make sense LOL My husband calls it blonde babble-except my hair is red now (it was blonde until a few years ago). He thinks he's funny (actually, some of our friends think thats hilarity incarnate!)

 

[renilyn]

I don't think TFA has any of these, but I saw a flavor at the B&M I like that has caffeine in it.....


As Bill says: Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I believe they carry the boston rounds also.

Yes, they do, and I found them here:

144 Pcs 1 2 oz 15 ml Amber Boston Round Glass Dropper | eBay

These are well priced and US based. Thank you!

 

[Felipe Ascencio]

Felipe,

Do you have a good ejuice calculator? If not, might I suggest the eJuice Me Up calculator? You can find the Spanish instructions here: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO on a video a little way down and you can download it at: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

It also comes with recipes that may help you get started. I think you will find that you already have several terrific flavors from TFA-and this is an amazing way to help!

I already got that one right now im Just waiting until tomorrow since several glass bottles will arrive Then i will make some tests based on all the advices i kindly get over here i will post my results has soon i get them

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[renilyn]

I already got that one right now im Just waiting until tomorrow since several glass bottles will arrive Then i will make some tests based on all the advices i kindly get over here i will post my results has soon i get them

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Wonderful!

We can't wait to hear about your new juice!

 

[b.m.]

I don't think TFA has any of these, but I saw a flavor at the B&M I like that has caffeine in it.....


As Bill says: Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

I dont think any of tfa's flavors have caffeine in them,but i have seen a few suppliers selling a caffeine additive pretty cheap.One iknow for sure that sells it is vices.

Also where Bill mentioned the difference between the cinnamon's,i think the cinnamon danish has more of that baking type cinnamon flavor,where as the regular cinnamon has more of a candyish type of flavor to it.Both good,but like he said wildly different.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I know this is TFA thread, but lemonade is one of the two flavors I use non-TFA. I find loranns lemonade to be a spot on lemonade drink at 12% nothing else added. Toss a little ginger in there and you would be good to go.

Since TFA only has lemon, and not lemonade, I have been reluctant to try it. All the reviews on TFA lemon tell me it is more of a candy lemon flavor, and would not be what I am looking for in a lemonade.

If anyone else has a spot on lemonade using only TFA flavors, I would love to hear it as well.

I think you are absolutely correct. You can make lemonade using all TFA flavorings plus tartaric acid (20% solution at 1-2%). The malic acid in Sour just won't quite do it for you, imho, added with the Lemon and Sweetener. I still get flavor enhancement with 2% sweet cream and 3% vanilla swirl, and I still get a delicious lemony drink juice, but it's not lemonade without the Tart that we need. You can also try LorAnn's Tart and Sour with the tartaric acid and the TFA Lemon and Sweetener, and get a good lemonade.

Using only TFA flavorings, though, it's better to go for a lemon drop juice:

Lemon Drop

Lemon - 13%
Sour - 6%-10%
Sweetener - 2%
Vanilla Swirl - 3%
Sweet Cream - 2%
Tartaric Acid (20% in PG) - 1-2%

At the end of the day, the LorAnn's Lemonade is the best way to go for Lemonade. Couldn't agree with you more. I've tried using the Sweet and Tart, and the lemon lime, and it gets you further from lemonade than the recipe above. Lemon and Sweet and Tart makes a good starburst flavor, though. So, if someone has conquered this tasty beverage with TFA flavors, I'd like to hear about it too.

Before someone else mentions it, some LorAnn oils are not recommended for vaping, including lemonade, so caveat emptor here. The Sweet and Tart, though, does not have a similar "warning." Also, tartaric acid is also highly toxic in concentration, though it does occur naturally in small quantities in wine and other plants. FYI...

 

[baseballmom]

I'm pretty new to DIY, but made this and wanted to share, I think it reminds me a little of Snake venom even though it's different, I'm liking it as is

TFA flavorings used

10% jackfruit
5% vanilla swirl
1% marshmallow

This is sort of my introduction to the jackfruit flavor, and I plan on trying it with other fruits too, seems like it has versatility

 

[mikeulon]

The only additive I have ever had any success with is salt. I have tried malic acid, tartaric acid & citric acid. I found they all mute the flavorings. As for salt (.9 saline) I never know what particular flavor in a mix it will react with so I don't even really use that too much either anymore.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

The only additive I have ever had any success with is salt. I have tried malic acid, tartaric acid & citric acid. I found they all mute the flavorings. As for salt (.9 saline) I never know what particular flavor in a mix it will react with so I don't even really use that too much either anymore.

There are several old recipes out there with tartaric acid and TFA Lemon combined with LorAnn Tart and Sour, that have proven to be very solid recipes, Mike. Also, I add citric acid to every ejuice (one drop per 15 ml), and without any taste change, for preservative purposes. Any juice that has water in it, which means most of them through the flavoring (not the oils and extracts), can need a preservative after 30 days, even with PG and VG. Bacteria cannot grow in the presence of citric acid, a very common preservative used in our foods.

 

[clnire]

Bill, by citric acid do you mean a drop of lemon juice or some other form?

 

[mikeulon]

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ball-Citric-Acid-Additive/20469602


What I used.

 

[mikeulon]

I must have added too much?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Bill, by citric acid do you mean a drop of lemon juice or some other form?

citric acid powder mixed with PG at 20% solution, then 1 drop only per bottle of juice, or about .17% with my droppers of a 20% solution, or .03% overall, so.....not much, but enough to do the job.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I must have added too much?

Maybe. How much did you use? And, what happened when you used it? And, what did you add it to?

 

[b.m.]

I forgot about it yesterday,but finally made it through the remaining juices i mixed up the other day.I made the twinkie recipe,and while quite good,i want to remake it.The vanilla cupcake i have is flavor west and not tfa,so i didn't quite get the taste i was expecting,so tfa vanilla cupcake is in the next cart.I made the peach cobbler several weeks ago,and had forgot about it,so i went back to it as well,and all i can say is wow,i will be making a large batch of that one,just fantastic.The Mr. staypuft by Arnie is very good as well,it is a fairly light marshmallow taste,but i think when i seen it,i believe it said steep for 8 days,so this one may get even better.A few others i tried were single flavor samples of capella sweet strawberry and sweet tangerine.At 10% the tangerine is pretty good,i think i may try a mix adding this to the tfa orange cream to bump up the orange flavor,now as for the strawberry,this seems to be a very popular flavor,but i dont see why.Maybe better at a lower %,but definitely not my thing haha,it was not good at all.
I put some banana monkey into a protank today,it is definitely smoothing out,and very good.As soon as i finish out the peach cobbler in my other protank,i will get it filled up with the dutch apple pie,looking forward to that one as well.


On another note,i am tired of running out of bottles to use,so just ordered 50 more,that should get me through some of these recipes haha.

 

[mikeulon]

Maybe. How much did you use? And, what happened when you used it? And, what did you add it to?

10% diluted powder in pg I added any where from 1 drop per 5ml to 2% of the total mix

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

10% diluted powder in pg I added any where from 1 drop per 5ml to 2% of the total mix

Got it! Thanks! As a whole number percentage of mix, it would be too much, but you already know this, lol!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I forgot about it yesterday,but finally made it through the remaining juices i mixed up the other day.I made the twinkie recipe,and while quite good,i want to remake it.The vanilla cupcake i have is flavor west and not tfa,so i didn't quite get the taste i was expecting,so tfa vanilla cupcake is in the next cart.I made the peach cobbler several weeks ago,and had forgot about it,so i went back to it as well,and all i can say is wow,i will be making a large batch of that one,just fantastic.The Mr. staypuft by Arnie is very good as well,it is a fairly light marshmallow taste,but i think when i seen it,i believe it said steep for 8 days,so this one may get even better.A few others i tried were single flavor samples of capella sweet strawberry and sweet tangerine.At 10% the tangerine is pretty good,i think i may try a mix adding this to the tfa orange cream to bump up the orange flavor,now as for the strawberry,this seems to be a very popular flavor,but i dont see why.Maybe better at a lower %,but definitely not my thing haha,it was not good at all.
I put some banana monkey into a protank today,it is definitely smoothing out,and very good.As soon as i finish out the peach cobbler in my other protank,i will get it filled up with the dutch apple pie,looking forward to that one as well.


On another note,i am tired of running out of bottles to use,so just ordered 50 more,that should get me through some of these recipes haha.

Thanks for that update, B. I think our taste sensibilities are very similar. Love the peach cobbler, dutch apple pie, monkey business (bananas foster), and Twinkies. That Twinkies is spot-on, so if you got something different, it's the FW cupcake. Of course, they also have the yellow cake, which I would use in a non-TFA recipe. Great report, my friend!