The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Felipe Ascencio]

Try mixing the vanilla Custard with the Bavarian cream with the sweetener, until you find a good base cream flavoring. Something like:

Vanilla Custard - 4%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Sweetener - 4%

Play with these three maybe changing percentages up or down by 1% until you find the sweet spot in the mix. Then add that to maybe 5-10% of any other flavoring, and you will be very pleasantly surprised with the flavoring. Should be particularly good with the raspberry or the caramel.

Thanks for the help i will Try that for Sure

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[mikeulon]

My pg/vg ratio is always 30/70 do you think i should add more creeme de menthe?

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All I know for sure is you can always add more but it's very difficult to take away. Too much math involved in that lol

 

[ghola1was]

Juicy Peach 10%
Apple 7%
Champagne 3%
French Vanilla 3%
Bavarian Cream 3%
Vanilla Swirl 2%
EM 2%

This is a new spin on an old recipe (JACE), experimenting with a more intense flavor profile.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Juicy Peach 10%
Apple 7%
Champagne 3%
French Vanilla 3%
Bavarian Cream 3%
Vanilla Swirl 2%
EM 2%

This is a new spin on an old recipe (JACE), experimenting with a more intense flavor profile.

Nice one. Thank you for this!

 

[ghola1was]

No, no ,no. Thank you, Bill, for all you do for all of us.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

No, no ,no. Thank you, Bill, for all you do for all of us.

Well, thank you.

But if we can all together, encourage everyone who visits here to share what they have learned, no matter their skill level, just how think how great this thread could be. So many "protect" their recipes, as if we would do something to change the status quo somehow, as if we could, or would. We can all learn from each other, and every recipe, every tip, contributes to make our juice better, and then our vaping better, and this can help others along the way beat smoking, and not die from it. You can have the greatest gear in the world, but if you can't find something to vape, you're not there yet. If you cannot afford to buy juice retail, we can make it for so much less. I can tell you that retail is 3 -4x wholesale, and wholesale is a 600% markup. Our costs are under $0.03 per milliliter, plus storage (bottling), so 45 cents, or less, for 15 milliliters? Can't beat it, but we can help others along the way beat their addiction, kick the smoking habit, save some money for some better equipment, and enjoy what we enjoy. We should all do this, and I appreciate every single person that helps make this possible. We can all share our experiences, no matter what level we are at, or even if we don't yet make juice. So, we need more questions, and more answers for the good of all of us. (Get off the soapbox, Bill!!!). Ok, sorry.....

 

[AyeJay]

Interesting story. I did make this after trying it from a local B&M, as I've said. But what I didn't say is that the wife, let's call her Jo, bought this from a local B&M. You should have seen the look on my face when she walks in the door with this. We have probably 50 30 ml bottles of juice in the cabinet that we vape every day, and she's buying eliquid. Whisky Tango Foxtrot? Then I tried it. Then I started mixing it, until I got what I thought was a better mix. If you always flavor to taste, your mixes will always be better than what you can buy. Does that make sense? You can sweeten for your taste, and adjust flavors to match your taste sensibilities. Anyway, certainly my most popular flavor, particularly with the younger crowd. It does bring back those younger moments when we ate the pink starbursts, perhaps a happier time. Amazing how taste works that way....to stir memory, right?

I am excited to try this. Have to go order me some Sweet N Tart.

 

[mikeulon]

Guava 10%
Acai 5%
Sweet cream 4%
Whip cream 4%
Honeydew melon 2%
Em 1%

My first thoughts on a guava recipe for bill. It's steeping now so I'll know more tomorrow

 

[readeuler]

Well, in the interest of sharing... (Warning: muddled thoughts ahead)

I saw a recipe posted by HecticEnergy, who got it from some large compendium of TFA recipes. It called for lemon, raspberry, as well as EM and/or Sweetener (just sweetener, I think).

I made the mistake of thinking I had lemon, when I had really ordered lemon lime. It was not good. I was getting a define bitterness, almost rind-like.

This was the first (and only, come to think) time I played with adding EM and sweetener. It was very unorganized, I just added a few % of this, test, a little more, some of that, etc. I was not able to get anything remotely lemonade-y, or mask that harshness. Just for fun, I added a bit of the only creamy flavor I had, Dulce de Leche. No saving grace to be found, and I ended up dumping it (I foolishly made 10ml because I assumed the lemon-lime couldn't be that different from lemon, and didn't bother with a 100 drop test).

I also found that "rainbow drops" from TFA have a harshness similar to the lemon lime. I haven't tried mixing with it yet, just a flavor test with various percentages.

Which reminds me: a pure flavoring + PG percentage test is absolutely disgusting to me, regardless of how decent the single flavor is. It will be a full PG, VG and Nic test for flavors from now on.

No shortcuts to be had! I would like to play around to get more familiar with EM and Sweetener. I'm considering using juice I've currently made, using a few spare ml, and adding these at various levels, just to see how each affects the mixes. I wouldn't mind sweetening/smoothing out the mostly grape candy recipe that was vastly improved by Bill's suggestion of a mere 2% raspberry added.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Guava 10%
Acai 5%
Sweet cream 4%
Whip cream 4%
Honeydew melon 2%
Em 1%

My first thoughts on a guava recipe for bill. It's steeping now so I'll know more tomorrow

Thanks, Mike!

First, taste test it now. If it's good, or really good, you probably have a good juice. If it's not good, you don't. We have to get used to taste testing immediately, or we will end up taking a week or two, or four, to make a mix, and we need to go faster, because we have to "remember" the tastes we started with. For me, this means 100 drop test, write down thoughts about what's good, what's not good, what's working, what might be missing. Then, another 100 drop taste test. I continue this over and over until it tastes good. This process almost never takes more than 800 drops, and that's why I call this the 800 drop mix test. I gave an example of this a week or two ago on this thread, making a chocolate with fruit mix.

Second, the recipe above looks good! For EM, I invariably buy and use Cotton Candy, and don't fool with the crystals, but that's just me. Do you make a big batch up and bottle it and use it in recipes, or do you make it for each batch? Just curious.

Third, curious about the honeydew melon. What are you going for here? I have not used honeydew melon, or cantaloupe for that matter, because of personal preferences, and so I don't know how that works in mixes. What has been your experience?

Fourth, I love the Guava/Acai mix idea. Have both in my cart, atm. Why the whipped cream? Going for more a smoothie type drink vape, maybe? Probably really good, but it would not have crossed my mind on a fruit juice. I use the whipped cream in my pie mixes quite a bit. Again, just curious. I would be dying to try it now, as I don't have a sense from the recipe how this would taste, as it's a different mix strategy than I normally use. So, really, really curious how it is now, and how it tastes now. Flavor-wise, it sounds wonderful! Can't wait to hear!

Again, Mike, many thanks!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Well, in the interest of sharing... (Warning: muddled thoughts ahead)

I saw a recipe posted by HecticEnergy, who got it from some large compendium of TFA recipes. It called for lemon, raspberry, as well as EM and/or Sweetener (just sweetener, I think).

I made the mistake of thinking I had lemon, when I had really ordered lemon lime. It was not good. I was getting a define bitterness, almost rind-like.

This was the first (and only, come to think) time I played with adding EM and sweetener. It was very unorganized, I just added a few % of this, test, a little more, some of that, etc. I was not able to get anything remotely lemonade-y, or mask that harshness. Just for fun, I added a bit of the only creamy flavor I had, Dulce de Leche. No saving grace to be found, and I ended up dumping it (I foolishly made 10ml because I assumed the lemon-lime couldn't be that different from lemon, and didn't bother with a 100 drop test).

I also found that "rainbow drops" from TFA have a harshness similar to the lemon lime. I haven't tried mixing with it yet, just a flavor test with various percentages.

Which reminds me: a pure flavoring + PG percentage test is absolutely disgusting to me, regardless of how decent the single flavor is. It will be a full PG, VG and Nic test for flavors from now on.

No shortcuts to be had! I would like to play around to get more familiar with EM and Sweetener. I'm considering using juice I've currently made, using a few spare ml, and adding these at various levels, just to see how each affects the mixes. I wouldn't mind sweetening/smoothing out the mostly grape candy recipe that was vastly improved by Bill's suggestion of a mere 2% raspberry added.

A very relatable experience readeuler. Glad the raspberry helped, with a cream/vanilla it completely corrects the chemical/floral of the grape. Good to hear.

Don't believe I've ever run across that one. Interesting. I did relate to your taste test with PG, though. I will flavor test with VG only initially to find the sweet spot, usually starting with 1 drop flavor to 19 drops VG (5%). Then add flavor and VG and ratchet up using three drops on the dripper to taste test looking for the sweet spot. On the flavor testing of the mix, I use the 100 drop method as you mentioned, and continue until I have the mix, usually 8 - 100 drop tests, or less.

I have on my juice list both a lemonade and a lemon drop. Haven't made either yet, but will soon, and will keep all posted.

The trouble you had with the mix is par for the course, I suppose. We learn to make good juice by learning from our bad juice experiments. Adopting the journey mindset, and not the end result, helps us to endure through the series of bad mixes that invariably vex us all.....a lot at first, but still occasionally probably forever, lol! Like falling off the horse is all.....just get back on. I have the compendium you mention, and I've seen some really good recipes in there. However, it looks like a collection of recipes, and not necessarily a collection of great recipes. So pick and choose carefully. There truly is something in there for everyone. The one I've seen is just short of 200 recipes. Some of the really great recipes, though, are in there. Like JACE and Blue and Black, and many others. The few I've made have been really good, requiring only very slight adjustment. I've never seen a recipe that I didn't adjust to suit my tastes, even if ever so slightly. That's just part of the fun to me.

Your thoughts were quite coherent, by the way, and thank you for sharing!! Good stuff. Ciao!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I am excited to try this. Have to go order me some Sweet N Tart.

After the basics, right at the top of my list too!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Wow, Bill your pink starburst is dead ringer! [emoji106][emoji106]

I can't wait to play with this recipe. I see all kinds of starbursts in my future lol

Try the lemon meringue and key lime pies. They are dead on too, as you say. Really, really good. None of them are ADV's, imho, but interlude vapes? Absolutely!

 

[mikeulon]

Thanks, Mike!

First, taste test it now. If it's good, or really good, you probably have a good juice. If it's not good, you don't. We have to get used to taste testing immediately, or we will end up taking a week or two, or four, to make a mix, and we need to go faster, because we have to "remember" the tastes we started with. For me, this means 100 drop test, write down thoughts about what's good, what's not good, what's working, what might be missing. Then, another 100 drop taste test. I continue this over and over until it tastes good. This process almost never takes more than 800 drops, and that's why I call this the 800 drop mix test. I gave an example of this a week or two ago on this thread, making a chocolate with fruit mix.

Second, the recipe above looks good! For EM, I invariably buy and use Cotton Candy, and don't fool with the crystals, but that's just me. Do you make a big batch up and bottle it and use it in recipes, or do you make it for each batch? Just curious.

Third, curious about the honeydew melon. What are you going for here? I have not used honeydew melon, or cantaloupe for that matter, because of personal preferences, and so I don't know how that works in mixes. What has been your experience?

Fourth, I love the Guava/Acai mix idea. Have both in my cart, atm. Why the whipped cream? Going for more a smoothie type drink vape, maybe? Probably really good, but it would not have crossed my mind on a fruit juice. I use the whipped cream in my pie mixes quite a bit. Again, just curious. I would be dying to try it now, as I don't have a sense from the recipe how this would taste, as it's a different mix strategy than I normally use. So, really, really curious how it is now, and how it tastes now. Flavor-wise, it sounds wonderful! Can't wait to hear!

Again, Mike, many thanks!

Just looking for a twist, something interesting on an exhale. That's what the honeydew is for.

The whip cream didn't do what I was hoping. I was throwing darts lol Maybe a Bavarian cream? Would be a good replacement.

Em yes dilute the crystals in a 400ml mason jar and then fill up 30 ml bottles (old tfa stuff) and work out of them

But I found out I'm not a fan of guava so this ones all yours. Acai is another story I think I'll continue to work with this one

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Just looking for a twist, something interesting on an exhale. That's what the honeydew is for.

The whip cream didn't do what I was hoping. I was throwing darts lol Maybe a Bavarian cream? Would be a good replacement.

Em yes dilute the crystals in a 400ml mason jar and then fill up 30 ml bottles (old tfa stuff) and work out of them

But I found out I'm not a fan of guava so this ones all yours. Acai is another story I think I'll continue to work with this one

That's it? One try? LOL!!!

Thanks Mike! I guess the taste test was unsuccessful. Not a guava fan, huh? Ok, thought I was going to have a head start on it! Many thanks, Mike.

 

[mikeulon]

That's it? One try? LOL!!!

Thanks Mike! I guess the taste test was unsuccessful. Not a guava fan, huh? Ok, thought I was going to have a head start on it! Many thanks, Mike.

If anyone can make it taste good I'll bet it's you! I'm going to focus on acai, Bavarian cream, sweet cream and ...... I'll let you guys know where it takes me...if it's good. If not this conversation never happened lol

 

[renilyn]

I like pie. Yes, I'm a pie man. Here's some pies that I like:

Lemon Meringue Pie

Lemon - 12%
Marshmallow - 6%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Cotton Candy - 5%
Graham Cracker - 3%

Dutch Apple Pie ala Mode, my Signature juice:

Apple - 12%
French Vanilla - 4%
Sweetener - 4%
Pie Crust - 4%
Graham Cracker - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Butter - 1%
Cinnamon - .5%

Mango Custard

Mango - 11%
Cotton Candy - 7%
Vanilla Custard - 6%
Bavarian Cream - 6%

Vanilla Custard

Vanilla Custard - 13%
Sweetener - 6%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 3.5%
Egg Nog - 2%
Butter - 2%
Graham Cracker - 1.5%

Chocolate Cream Pie

Milk Chocolate - 5%
Double Chocolate - 4%
Sweetener - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 5%
Whipped Cream - 3%
Sweet Cream - 3%
Graham Cracker - 6%

Coconut Cream Pie

Vanilla Custard - 6%
Coconut Extra - 5%
Graham Cracker - 4%
Sweetener - 3%
Sweet Cream - 3%
Pie Crust - 2%
Vanilla Swirl - 2%

Peach Cobbler

Juicy Peach - 10%
Sweetener - 4%
Cinnamon - 1%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Graham Cracker - 1.5%
Vanilla Bean - 1%
Sweet Cream - 1%

Key Lime Pie

Key Lime - 13%
Pie Crust - 3%
Sweetener - 3%
Whipped Cream - 2%

Pecan Pie

Pecan - 5%
Graham Cracker - 5%
Pie Crust - 3%
Sweetener - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Vanilla Bourbon - 2%

You can learn as much about pie making studying both the similarities and the differences. I can see the evolution in my juice because I remember making each one, and know a few tricks here and there. For example, if you are going to use pie crust, also use graham cracker. Not always true, but true to me today. There are many others. The patterns are there if you are interested. Another thing, some of these recipes are going on two years old. I could probably improve on them today, and so could you! Ciao!

SEE what happens when I go to breakfast on Tuesday with "the boys"? I miss EVERYTHING lol I've now had my wholesale upgrade done with TFA, so now its time to get down to business. I do have a few around here to keep me busy until the next order shows (but not a lot):

Mango
Caramel (Original) I wasn't sure that the other caramel was something "good" or not for my sweet tooth
Butterscotch
Vanilla Creme
Bavarian Cream
Sweetener

Coming:

Brown Sugar Extra
Koolada
Menthol Liquid
Strawberry (Ripe)
Wintergreen


It appears it is now time to start buckling down on fruits/custards and ______________ (Please insert your ideas-I'd appreciate it GREATLY). I realize that I am just starting out-but like Bill says, there's patterns. I'm quickly beginning to see the patterns after switching to a different calculator (eJuice Me Up Calculator)

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

Interesting story. I did make this after trying it from a local B&M, as I've said. But what I didn't say is that the wife, let's call her Jo, bought this from a local B&M. You should have seen the look on my face when she walks in the door with this. We have probably 50 30 ml bottles of juice in the cabinet that we vape every day, and she's buying eliquid. Whisky Tango Foxtrot? Then I tried it. Then I started mixing it, until I got what I thought was a better mix. If you always flavor to taste, your mixes will always be better than what you can buy. Does that make sense? You can sweeten for your taste, and adjust flavors to match your taste sensibilities. Anyway, certainly my most popular flavor, particularly with the younger crowd. It does bring back those younger moments when we ate the pink starbursts, perhaps a happier time. Amazing how taste works that way....to stir memory, right?

When looking at your recipes it's awesome how similar mixing styles/ideas we share. I don't feel I ever nailed the candy exactly but I've made some awesome versions trying. I just mixed your Pink Starburst to compare with ones I've played with. It's definitely a different take and tasty. Freshly mixed I'm getting sweet tart @2% a little bright in the mix. Maybe the sweet cream and vanilla will chill it out in time but my experience (always without creams or vanillas) sweet tart(S&T) only gets stronger with time. I do agree S&T is an awesome addition to make some great mixes but it is quick to over power. If you haven't tried adding watermelon to the mix I think you are in for a pleasant surprise. I also used Sour(under 1%) before trying the S&T just now. A % or 2 of Vanilla bean Ice Cream is an awesome addition with the Vanilla Swirl as well. I need to get some other vanillas and play around more but these are just some experiences I enjoyed with this recipe. Thanks for sharing Bill!! I look forward trying some of your others.

 

[renilyn]

Thanks Ren! We need to explore your ideas a little more. I'm game for anything ejuice, myself. If we need fruit recipes, we all have them, but along a particular line of thinking seems like a great idea. I'm not sure what or where we want to go, but count me in! I just need a little more guidance. Help me Obi Wan! Ciao!

Let me do a bit of research and get back along this line of thinking. I'm not great at "marketing" Your set of pies earlier today was "perfect" for this sort of thing though-it then becomes a "set". Make sense?

 

[renilyn]

Thanks for the help i will Try that for Sure

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Felipe,

Do you have a good ejuice calculator? If not, might I suggest the eJuice Me Up calculator? You can find the Spanish instructions here: eJuice Calculator - HOW TO on a video a little way down and you can download it at: eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

It also comes with recipes that may help you get started. I think you will find that you already have several terrific flavors from TFA-and this is an amazing way to help!