The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[b.m.]

Try the lemon meringue and key lime pies. They are dead on too, as you say. Really, really good. None of them are ADV's, imho, but interlude vapes? Absolutely!

I may have to disagree with you on this one.I made the lemon meringue pie last week,and while i messed it up a bit,i didn't have tfa lemon,so i used another lemon flavor i have,that was a big mistake haha,but anyway other than my substitute lemon,the rest of it comes through fantastic,so once i get the tfa lemon,i can most definitely see this being an adv,at least for a while anyway.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

When looking at your recipes it's awesome how similar mixing styles/ideas we share. I don't feel I ever nailed the candy exactly but I've made some awesome versions trying. I just mixed your Pink Starburst to compare with ones I've played with. It's definitely a different take and tasty. Freshly mixed I'm getting sweet tart @2% a little bright in the mix. Maybe the sweet cream and vanilla will chill it out in time but my experience (always without creams or vanillas) sweet tart(S&T) only gets stronger with time. I do agree S&T is an awesome addition to make some great mixes but it is quick to over power. If you haven't tried adding watermelon to the mix I think you are in for a pleasant surprise. I also used Sour(under 1%) before trying the S&T just now. A % or 2 of Vanilla bean Ice Cream is an awesome addition with the Vanilla Swirl as well. I need to get some other vanillas and play around more but these are just some experiences I enjoyed with this recipe. Thanks for sharing Bill!! I look forward trying some of your others.

Sounds good, ECV. Please do share your recipes here with us. We all need as many takes from as many as can post as possible, and we sincerely appreciate it! Many thanks!

 

[renilyn]

So............

I made this last night for desert: Sweet Caramel Mango Nachos | mango

I MUST replicate it in a juice lol What is funny to me is-you can see by looking at this recipe, how similar what we are doing is with cooking, and then take your flavor ideas from there!

What I am unsure of is, what sort of flavor would be optimal for the light cinnamon that you'd taste in this recipe? There is both the Cinnamon Bun and just Cinnamon flavors at TFA. I'm just not sure if I want to order the Cinnamon Bun-if it is not likely to be used . I suppose I could order a 4ml of each and call it a day....Suggestions anyone?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

So............

I made this last night for desert: Sweet Caramel Mango Nachos | mango

I MUST replicate it in a juice lol What is funny to me is-you can see by looking at this recipe, how similar what we are doing is with cooking, and then take your flavor ideas from there!

What I am unsure of is, what sort of flavor would be optimal for the light cinnamon that you'd taste in this recipe? There is both the Cinnamon Bun and just Cinnamon flavors at TFA. I'm just not sure if I want to order the Cinnamon Bun-if it is not likely to be used . I suppose I could order a 4ml of each and call it a day....Suggestions anyone?

If you want a normal cinnamon, use the cinnamon Danish. For a very strong cinnamon, the cinnamon is good, just very strong, even at .5%. A nuanced cinnamon will work good with the CD. I use it that way in a couple of recipes with good results.

 

[mikeulon]

So............

I made this last night for desert: Sweet Caramel Mango Nachos | mango

I MUST replicate it in a juice lol What is funny to me is-you can see by looking at this recipe, how similar what we are doing is with cooking, and then take your flavor ideas from there!

What I am unsure of is, what sort of flavor would be optimal for the light cinnamon that you'd taste in this recipe? There is both the Cinnamon Bun and just Cinnamon flavors at TFA. I'm just not sure if I want to order the Cinnamon Bun-if it is not likely to be used . I suppose I could order a 4ml of each and call it a day....Suggestions anyone?

Nothing says you can't cut tfa cinnamon with pg. I did this with clove it worked great. Man I wish I had more recipes to share. I feel like I'm getting tons of great tips and recipes but not offering much in return.

 

[renilyn]

If you want a normal cinnamon, use the cinnamon Danish. For a very strong cinnamon, the cinnamon is good, just very strong, even at .5%. A nuanced cinnamon will work good with the CD. I use it that way in a couple of recipes with good results.

Ok, I see what you're saying. It seems that I may need to order both, PG down the regular Cinnamon and perhaps try with both. Because the flavor I am after in "this" particular recipe is one with a bread product, I'm wondering if that is something I need to take into mind with say....Pie Crust. Or is that overboard?

Nothing says you can't cut tfa cinnamon with pg. I did this with clove it worked great. Man I wish I had more recipes to share. I feel like I'm getting tons of great tips and recipes but offering much in return.

 

[clnire]

If anyone can make it taste good I'll bet it's you! I'm going to focus on acai, Bavarian cream, sweet cream and ...... I'll let you guys know where it takes me...if it's good. If not this conversation never happened lol

We need to know failures to learn too mike...

 

[mikeulon]

Blueberry 12%
Blackberry 6
Lemon 2%
Lavender 1% (FA)



Watermelon 8%
Grape 5%
Strawberry 2%



Lemonade 10% (LA)
Strawberry 8% (LA)
Champagne 3%
Absinthe 2%



Green apple candy 8%
Caramel original 7%
Dulce de leche 3%
Pomegranate 3%

These are the few I have managed to muster up.

Most of my time has been tied up with an orange tang type juice that I have had no success with

 

[renilyn]

Most of my time has been tied up with an orange tang type juice that I have had no success with

Mike-have you the Orange Cream? I've heard from a fella in one of the B&M shops I frequently how to that he adds that to his PG/VG mix and it's perfect Tang.... I don't know if you've tried it, but it's worth a shot!

Your other stuff is going in my want pile lol

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Blueberry 12%
Blackberry 6
Lemon 2%
Lavender 1% (FA)



Watermelon 8%
Grape 5%
Strawberry 2%



Lemonade 10% (LA)
Strawberry 8% (LA)
Champagne 3%
Absinthe 2%



Green apple candy 8%
Caramel original 7%
Dulce de leche 3%
Pomegranate 3%

These are the few I have managed to muster up.

Most of my time has been tied up with an orange tang type juice that I have had no success with

You may find that adding creams, vanillas and sweeteners will improve many of those mixes. You don't have to add so much that you get CREAM, but they can add depth, richness, thickness and intensify the primary flavorings. It's somewhat counter-intuitive, but it does work. My juices did not get good until I started doing this. Something to consider, I suppose. Good luck!

 

[mikeulon]

Mike-have you the Orange Cream? I've heard from a fella in one of the B&M shops I frequently how to that he adds that to his PG/VG mix and it's perfect Tang.... I don't know if you've tried it, but it's worth a shot!

Your other stuff is going in my want pile lol

I do. Sadly not enough.
Here's what I'm working on
Orange 20%
Mary Jane 5%
Gummy candy 2%
S&T 2%

But it's missing something smh

 

[Cari]

Sure I pay about $0.78 each in bulk (144 qty) delivered. But I am not buying in big bulk. Amber glass boston bottle with glass droppers in 15 ml (1/2 oz).

144 Pcs 4 Dram 15 ml Amber Glass Dropper Vials | eBay

 

[mikeulon]

You may find that adding creams, vanillas and sweeteners will improve many of those mixes. You don't have to add so much that you get CREAM, but they can add depth, richness, thickness and intensify the primary flavorings. It's somewhat counter-intuitive, but it does work. My juices did not get good until I started doing this. Something to consider, I suppose. Good luck!

Oh I'm on it. After tasting what they did to pink starburst. I won't be shy with creams

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Ok, I see what you're saying. It seems that I may need to order both, PG down the regular Cinnamon and perhaps try with both. Because the flavor I am after in "this" particular recipe is one with a bread product, I'm wondering if that is something I need to take into mind with say....Pie Crust. Or is that overboard?

Maybe both, sure. These are completely different flavorings and completely different cinnamon's. Very hard to describe the difference. 99% of the time, I do not use the cinnamon, because it's too intense even at very minor flavorings. You won't completely understand what I'm saying until you try it, but one is like softball, the other hard ball. Very different, at any dilution. I wouldn't dilute the cinnamon, I would just use it at .5% or less, and only in specific recipes. Sometimes you need it really strong to detect with a lot of other flavors, and it does that very well. But if you want it to be subtle, it's hardly that. I use the cinnamon in my cobbler at 1%, but that is the highest strength in any recipe, and it's an 8 ingredient mix, so it works to push through. Even so, I have people ask me to make without any cinnamon, it's that strong. Also, some people detect it easier than others, and it's just too strong, so consider the audience, and flavor to taste.

Regarding pie crust, I have had good results with it, but it's even better with graham cracker added with it. Pie crust can sometimes muddy the water. Another one that's hard to describe, without trying it. Just a suggestion, though.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Oh I'm on it. After tasting what they did to pink starburst. I won't be shy with creams

Exactly. I've said it before, adding creams does not add CREAM until you get to higher percentages, say north of 5%, then you can detect it as a strong cream flavor. But below that it's more like a flavor intensifier, both thickening and enriching the mix. Again, it won't work that way for everyone, but that's my experience. Same with Vanilla. It takes a lot of vanilla for one to look up and say "Vanilla?" Just sayin'....

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

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Thank you for this! I'm looking for the boston round bottles, though. These are priced very well. Nice catch!

 

[renilyn]

I do. Sadly not enough.
Here's what I'm working on
Orange 20%
Mary Jane 5%
Gummy candy 2%
S&T 2%

But it's missing something smh

Even though Tang is generally tart.... there is a sweetness about it that cannot be ignored. As I like to say-sickeningly sweet LOL Loved that stuff as a kid, but I don't think I could gulp down a glass as an adult! Perhaps that is what is missing? A bit of sweetener? Just my opinion, but when I think of Tang, that's the one thing I don't see....

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Let me do a bit of research and get back along this line of thinking. I'm not great at "marketing" Your set of pies earlier today was "perfect" for this sort of thing though-it then becomes a "set". Make sense?

Makes sense to me Ren!

 

[Cari]

Thank you for this! I'm looking for the boston round bottles, though. These are priced very well. Nice catch!

I believe they carry the boston rounds also.

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

Thanks, Mike. Yes, the sweet and tart flavoring is a gift from the vaper Gods, no doubt. I've only used it with strawberry and grape, but it would likely work great with other fruits too. I got a request for a Guava recipe last night, so maybe a Guava Starburst? Or, Guava Custard, or Guava Cream? Now I just have to get some Guava!

Guava smells so good!! Maybe acai berry would pair well?

Guava 10%
Acai 5%
Sweet cream 4%
Whip cream 4%
Honeydew melon 2%
Em 1%

My first thoughts on a guava recipe for bill. It's steeping now so I'll know more tomorrow

Second, the recipe above looks good! For EM, I invariably buy and use Cotton Candy, and don't fool with the crystals, but that's just me. Do you make a big batch up and bottle it and use it in recipes, or do you make it for each batch? Just curious.

I too use the Cotton Candy but I'm in the habit of naming it EM in my recipes. The crystals open up opportunity for a stronger concentration to lessen total % of a mix or that one recipe on ECF of EM I forget the name.

Third, curious about the honeydew melon. What are you going for here? I have not used honeydew melon, or cantaloupe for that matter, because of personal preferences, and so I don't know how that works in mixes. What has been your experience?

For me they make a juice more complex by adding melon notes. Combining them all together can give an all around melon juice instead of one particular melon.

Fourth, I love the Guava/Acai mix idea. Have both in my cart, atm. Why the whipped cream? Going for more a smoothie type drink vape, maybe? Probably really good, but it would not have crossed my mind on a fruit juice. I use the whipped cream in my pie mixes quite a bit. Again, just curious. I would be dying to try it now, as I don't have a sense from the recipe how this would taste, as it's a different mix strategy than I normally use. So, really, really curious how it is now, and how it tastes now. Flavor-wise, it sounds wonderful! Can't wait to hear!

Again, Mike, many thanks!

I use whipped cream in many fruit creams and feel it can add more complexity to the cream. I like Mango and Guava together like the Alpha Vape juice called Manchu. My version used to be in the daily rotation. I need to mix some more up! Different company though VZ SC. I haven't had the TFA guava.