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Last few days have been hectic kind of days,then add the fact my modem had stopped working,so when i came on was on my phone,pain to type on haha.
First off,sorry to hear of your loss Ren.I lost my uncle a few months ago,so i know how you must be feeling.As soon as my bottle order comes in,hopefully monday or tuesday,i will gladly mix up a batch of Jay's custard,it sounds fantastic.One question though,just to make sure it comes out to your intended taste,did you use the tfa custard or another?
Yesterday when i made the larger bottles of banana monkey and peach cobbler,i also made a sample of the almond joy.The journey went as follows
Make a 3ml mix of almond joy
vape said sample
Immediately make a 30ml of almond joy
Very good recipe Bill,that got me inspired to try more,and it also opened a sample bottle up,so made a 3ml of coconut cream pie,you guessed it,there is a 30ml of that coming up too haha.
I'm so far behind on trying all these great sounding recipes,i'll have to spend a full day or 2 just to get caught up haha.
First off,sorry to hear of your loss Ren.I lost my uncle a few months ago,so i know how you must be feeling.As soon as my bottle order comes in,hopefully monday or tuesday,i will gladly mix up a batch of Jay's custard,it sounds fantastic.One question though,just to make sure it comes out to your intended taste,did you use the tfa custard or another?
Yesterday when i made the larger bottles of banana monkey and peach cobbler,i also made a sample of the almond joy.The journey went as follows
Make a 3ml mix of almond joy
vape said sample
Immediately make a 30ml of almond joy
Very good recipe Bill,that got me inspired to try more,and it also opened a sample bottle up,so made a 3ml of coconut cream pie,you guessed it,there is a 30ml of that coming up too haha.
I'm so far behind on trying all these great sounding recipes,i'll have to spend a full day or 2 just to get caught up haha.
After a few attempts, this is pretty close:
Peanut Butter Cup
FW Peanut Butter Cup - 8% (I know a cheat)
Milk Chocolate - 5%
Double Chocolate - 2%
Peanut Butter - 6%
Sweet cream - 3%
Sweetener - 3%
Vanilla Swirl - 3%
This one could benefit from less creaminess to get closer to the Peanut Butter Cup flavor, but I just liked it so much here, I stopped. This one will be better with a steep as well, a day or two to blend the flavorings, as it's a fairly complex mix with many different flavorings. I think it's good. I've made Peanut Butter Cup for a long time and it can be done without the FW flavoring, but you have to play with the milk chocolate, vanilla and peanut butter a bit. Also, some will like this with more peanut butter, which would also be very good, just different. So, that's my two cents on this one.
Sounds delicious Mrs C! I don't steep anything for very long, but I know that many do, and their juice benefits from long steep times. I can't wait, myself. Glad you found something you like and thank you for sharing it with us here!
With all these great recipes that are popping up,i'll have to put in another bottle order here soon,i've got 50 10ml bottles coming,but at this rate i will definitely need to order some more 30ml bottles as well haha.By the way,my name is Bill too,i've left that out before so as not to cause any confusion haha,but that's what that B stands for.
Heya b!
That would be wonderful for you to try his mix, thank you very much! All flavors are TFA that I used in this recipe [emoji4]
Sorry to hear about your Uncle as well. It's never a good thing for the family and friends - but I'm my Uncle's case, he's not being eaten by cancer any longer, so it does have a bright side.
Thank you for your consideration, I appreciate it.
Yeah,that makes it a bit easier when you know they aren't suffering any longer,that was the case with my grandma several years ago.It was very hard,but she had cancer also,so everyone felt just a bit of relief knowing that she was finally not going to be in any pain any longer.In my uncle's case,it was a different case.He fell at his house and hit his head.He went to the er,and during the tests they were running,he became unconscious and stayed in a coma for 3 days,then came out of it,they thought he was in the clear,and were set to release him a few days later.They wanted to finish running the tests that they had to stop previously,and same thing,he went into a coma,and remained that way for the next week until my aunt decided to stop the life support.I hadn't seen him in several years due to issues with other family members,but luckily i was told about it before the life support was stopped,so it made it a bit easier for me,that i did get to spend a few minutes with him before he was removed from it,and that between me and several others,knowing he was not there alone when he passed.It was definitely still hard as i'm sure you know from your own experience,but knowing they are not in pain or suffering any longer,definitely helps to make it just a bit easier.
The Fire and Ice and 54 Fireball will eat right through your plastic, so be careful. When my mix turned milky I knew it was from the juice flavorings, so be careful. People vape this stuff?
54 Fireball
FW Fireball - 4%
Cinnamon Red Hots - 4%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Sweetener - 4%
I know that many Fireball recipes call for a lot more red hots, or whatever. This was as hot as I can take it, myself. How do people vape this stuff. This will flat out take your mind off girls.....Wwwoooohhhhh! Strong stuff! Ok two down.....mouth on fire....
I'm wanting to make something ....less flammable. Just a nice, mild Cinnamon Red Hot candy kinda flavor. Suggestions?
Bill your right it's pretty tasty right now but I feel it will get better with time the Pink Starburst
Try the red hots/fireball at half strength - taste test - 100 drops. If it's too hot, reduce, too weak, add back. We have to taste test to match our own individual flavor sensibilities.....we just have to......as to each their own, right? Good luck!
Indeed! And, yes, I make all my juices to taste good from the start, for I wouldn't post them here. This myth about waiting weeks for steeping is just not acknowledging a bad batch. We all have them. I make bad batches all the time.....but, then again, I fix them quickly, LOL! Enjoy, and yes it will improve over a short time as the flavors fully blend, which is not instantaneous. Good luck!!!
Bill love all the great info here, these are the cases I was wondering about looks like 4 oz bottles. Did you make these or where can a purchase some.
Great sheet for tasting flavors also, Thanks again
That is actually a vaping cabinet, and was originally used as a bar cabinet. It is perfect for this use and holds hundreds of flavors and bottles. This is actually an expensive piece of furniture, that I wasn't using as a bar cabinet, so I can't recommend it for this use, but it is perfect. Here's another shot:
You can see the doors in the mirror. Since this picture was taken, I've added another glass shelf and it's also completely full of flavor bottles. This is one of the doors:
The other door:
Anyway, very useful, but a bit extreme, unless you happen to have one, I suppose. I have very close now to 200 flavors in the cabinet.
Very nice Bill, the doors is what catch my eyes, ok now you have me thinking. I have a nice set but its taking a full corner of my kitchen Love seeing the way people set up their vape corner of the world.
Love seeing the way people set up their vape corner of the world.
I have to respond to this because,,, I 100% disagree.
I am not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I have to point out that...
Taste is Subjective. and as far as "steeping is just not acknowledging a bad batch" That is just absolutely incorrect as you have noted yourself.
"yes it will improve over a short time as the flavors fully blend, which is not instantaneous"
Some juices absolutely do need to steep.
Steeping DOES take time, and you can't exactly speed the process up.
I have had a Caramel Cream take 8 weeks to fully mature into what I would describe as a delicious vape.
But prior to that was just ok. and adding more flavor wasn't going to fix it.
EDIT:
I went back and read some of your other posts.
Keep in mind that you are already steeping your flavors to some degree ahead of time.
So, if you have some base that you made 3 weeks ago, you have possibly cut your time down,
and that is why you only might need a few days instead of weeks.
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I know, a lot of people disagree. But I'm speaking of my rather intense experience, and not your experience. For me, flavor bonds fully form in less than two days for certain. Often time, bad juice improves over longer periods because the offending flavors settle down. Some people do not consider this a bad batch, just a necessary part of the steeping process. I can understand that. I used to make bad juice that tasted a lot better a month later, because the flavorings that made it taste bad at first were gone, or at least lessened. Hundreds of juices later, I have come to MY inescapable conclusion that time is not a substitute for good juice. Good juice is good day 1, and may become great in a couple of days. From my experience, bad juice on day one, NEVER becomes great, nor has anyone showed me a recipe that was bad on day one, and became great 30 days later, without a substantial flavor change, which is just making the point for me. It's just too easy to make excellent juice at the time of mixing. Often that juice becomes great. Juice that is not really good on day one, never becomes great.....FOR ME. That is my experience. Others seem to have different experiences, and I don't doubt that. But I believe what I believe, and I certainly respect that you have a different opinion, and I'm certain it is based on your experience and with good reason. So, it's not something I take personally, I just have had a different experience and different journey. Kudos to you. The advantage, of course, to my method is good, vapable juice upon mixing, and not having to wait for some magic to happen. I always wonder why people don't just make really good juice at mix time? Baffles me to be honest. I've heard all the arguments, but I still don't understand bad juice day one, pray it gets better in a few weeks, when we can demonstrate over and over and over it's entirely possible to make great juice day one. Baffles me......
By the way, my flavor bases are used so I can deliver a substantial quantity of juice at almost any ratio and any strength nicotine, and not because they improve from steeping. If steeping means that I NEED a flavor change along the way, then to me, that was a bad batch that could have been improved at mixing. I proven this so many times, as to be beyond question....to me. I stick by my thinking on this matter, but I do respect that yours is different, and for you to agree with me, would require that you acknowledge that the juice wasn't great on day one, and who wants to do that?
Edit: I went back and read your post again and was wondering why you don't just make a great Caramel Cream on day 1? Wouldn't that save you about eight weeks of time? It is possible you know, right? And while you can make the point that your juice takes 8 weeks to mature and be delicious, I can make the point that my juice is good day one and doesn't need 8 weeks to mature, because it's really good upon mixing. It just is what it is, my friend! LOL! I do acknowledge that there are obvious differences between juices and juice makers. Thank you for the debate. It makes it easier for me to help the new juice makers to understand there are more than one way to do this, and long steep times is an option, and not a requirement. It is what it is....
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Bill,
Third pic from the bottom is a blue fan looking device..... This is? (I am guessing that it's not flavor related, but since I saw this the first time, it's haunted me darnit [emoji317]
I know, a lot of people disagree. But I'm speaking of my rather intense experience, and not your experience. For me, flavor bonds fully form in less than two days for certain. Often time, bad juice improves over longer periods because the offending flavors settle down. Some people do not consider this a bad batch, just a necessary part of the steeping process. I can understand that. I used to make bad juice that tasted a lot better a month later, because the flavorings that made it taste bad at first were gone, or at least lessened. Hundreds of juices later, I have come to MY inescapable conclusion that time is not a substitute for good juice. Good juice is good day 1, and may become great in a couple of days. From my experience, bad juice on day one, NEVER becomes great, nor has anyone showed me a recipe that was bad on day one, and became great 30 days later, without a substantial flavor change, which is just making the point for me. It's just too easy to make excellent juice at the time of mixing. Often that juice becomes great. Juice that is not really good on day one, never becomes great.....FOR ME. That is my experience. Others seem to have different experiences, and I don't doubt that. But I believe what I believe, and I certainly respect that you have a different opinion, and I'm certain it is based on your experience and with good reason. So, it's not something I take personally, I just have had a different experience and different journey. Kudos to you. The advantage, of course, to my method is good, vapable juice upon mixing, and not having to wait for some magic to happen. I always wonder why people don't just make really good juice at mix time? Baffles me to be honest. I've heard all the arguments, but I still don't understand bad juice day one, pray it gets better in a few weeks, when we can demonstrate over and over and over it's entirely possible to make great juice day one. Baffles me......
By the way, my flavor bases are used so I can deliver a substantial quantity of juice at almost any ratio and any strength nicotine, and not because they improve from steeping. If steeping means that I NEED a flavor change along the way, then to me, that was a bad batch that could have been improved at mixing. I proven this so many times, as to be beyond question....to me. I stick by my thinking on this matter, but I do respect that yours is different, and for you to agree with me, would require that you acknowledge that the juice wasn't great on day one, and who wants to do that?
Edit: I went back and read your post again and was wondering why you don't just make a great Caramel Cream on day 1? Wouldn't that save you about eight weeks of time? It is possible you know, right? And while you can make the point that your juice takes 8 weeks to mature and be delicious, I can make the point that my juice is good day one and doesn't need 8 weeks to mature, because it's really good upon mixing. It just is what it is, my friend! LOL! I do acknowledge that there are obvious differences between juices and juice makers. Thank you for the debate. It makes it easier for me to help the new juice makers to understand there are more than one way to do this, and long steep times is an option, and not a requirement. It is what it is....
I just wanted to add my $1.50 into the mix, I cannot help myself (this tends to be the precursor to wanting my tongue removed (in this case fingers lol) [emoji56]).
This for me is the same thing we were discussing the other day-heating your juice to make it better. That baffles ME personally. I have said it repeatedly that I've not the experience that you have Bill, and the rest of y'all who've been doing this a while, but I wanted to make sure any new folks to our thread understand that heating your crock pot up and sticking your juice in has the potential to destroy some great properties in your juices.
And to make one point in this I didn't see.... Get your flavors and base mixes from a reliable source, preferably the manufacturer of said flavors/base mixes. Because let's be real-the reason your juice doesn't take on the same taste as everyone raves about, could have been because your supplies came from someone who a) cuts the flavor with extra PG or PGA b) stores the flavors in an other but recommend manner or c) hasn't kept their stock fresh.
It's why I always order my flavors directly from TFA etc. I want to taste what everyone else does [emoji4]
*off soapbox*
sorry Bill, but you are wrong.
There is no way to get flavor of a well made steeped juice in one or 2 days. It's impossible.
Sorry, but it is. You call it bad juice batch, and again you are wrong.
I don't care how long you or anyone else has been doing DIY, I'll tell anyone the same thing.
And, for the record, I have tried a lot of methods to speed steep. Speed steeping does not work.
Natural order of time is all that does work.
If yoy are pre-mixing flavor bases and they sit for a month or more, guess what,,,...
You just steeped you juice, and when mixing, you don't need to wait as long.
I don't, nor do many others do that.
You say you don't steep, and steeping means your juice was crap to begin with.
But it sounds to me like YOu are steeping.
You WILL NOT get the same flavor from a juice on day one using virgin (unmixed) flavors, that you will after a week or 4.
Some flavors can be vaped right away, others can not.
I had some that was fantastic the first week and totally crap after that.
Again, flavor is subjective, but I should add, to a point.
You can't change the laws of chemistry.
eJuice could be looked at in very much the same way wine and beer is made. Or a good steak.
You can't throw a bunch of stuff together and expect it to be good without some sort of processing.
You can't make a good wine in 2 days. If you could, then there is a whole lot of wasted space and time spent on wine.
You call it bad juice if it has to steep. Simply put, Your wrong.
There is no way to get flavor of a well made steeped juice in one or 2 days. It's impossible.
Sorry, but it is. You call it bad juice batch, and again you are wrong.
I don't care how long you or anyone else has been doing DIY, I'll tell anyone the same thing.
And, for the record, I have tried a lot of methods to speed steep. Speed steeping does not work.
Natural order of time is all that does work.
If yoy are pre-mixing flavor bases and they sit for a month or more, guess what,,,...
You just steeped you juice, and when mixing, you don't need to wait as long.
I don't, nor do many others do that.
You say you don't steep, and steeping means your juice was crap to begin with.
But it sounds to me like YOu are steeping.
You WILL NOT get the same flavor from a juice on day one using virgin (unmixed) flavors, that you will after a week or 4.
Some flavors can be vaped right away, others can not.
I had some that was fantastic the first week and totally crap after that.
Again, flavor is subjective, but I should add, to a point.
You can't change the laws of chemistry.
eJuice could be looked at in very much the same way wine and beer is made. Or a good steak.
You can't throw a bunch of stuff together and expect it to be good without some sort of processing.
You can't make a good wine in 2 days. If you could, then there is a whole lot of wasted space and time spent on wine.
You call it bad juice if it has to steep. Simply put, Your wrong.
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