The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[b.m.]

Almost forgot,i have a cherry question.Does anyone here have the maraschino cherry and the black cherry?Reason i ask is i tried to make a cherry starburst juice based off of Bill's pink starburst yesterday,i knew the maraschino was a strong flavor,so i used it at 3%,and it just about blew out the back of my head haha.I got my black cherry today,and the flavor smells identical to a cherry starburst,so just wondering if someone has both,which they would reccomend for the starburst flavor,and possibly a starting % on the cherry flavors,obviuosly 3% is waaay to much for the maraschino haha.I know there are charts for single flavor %,so i'm looking for a good idea on these when used in a recipe.

 

[mattiem]

Almost forgot,i have a cherry question.Does anyone here have the maraschino cherry and the black cherry?Reason i ask is i tried to make a cherry starburst juice based off of Bill's pink starburst yesterday,i knew the maraschino was a strong flavor,so i used it at 3%,and it just about blew out the back of my head haha.I got my black cherry today,and the flavor smells identical to a cherry starburst,so just wondering if someone has both,which they would reccomend for the starburst flavor,and possibly a starting % on the cherry flavors,obviuosly 3% is waaay to much for the maraschino haha.I know there are charts for single flavor %,so i'm looking for a good idea on these when used in a recipe.

I've not tried maraschino cherry but I do have black cherry and it is really strong. Personally I would never mix it stronger than maybe 1% or 2% and add lots of supporting cream flavors.

 

[b.m.]

That's what i was sort of thinking,it definitely smells strong,but looking at the reccomended starting % chart,it says 5-15% i doubt i would be able to handle it at anywhere near those numbers,especially if it's anywhere close to being as potent as the maraschino.Although,i just realized that the maraschino says to start at .5%,so i went way overboard on that one haha.I was leary of even getting the black cherry,because a few months ago,i was talking with a local guy that sells his juice's to alot of the local shops around here,and when he told me the flavors he made,black cherry was one of them,and he said that is the most popular one he makes.I bought a bottle of it,and it like to killed me haha,this stuff was so strong,you could hold the bottle an arms length from your face and it would still make your eyes water.His had a real strong alchohol smell though,which i didn't notice in the tfa,so not sure if was whatever brand of flavor he used,or if he used alchohol in his mixing.I let this thing sit for 2 months and it was still horrible,so it got dumped to use the nice colbalt bottle haha.

 

[renilyn]

Fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA

Lemon
Lime
Orange sweet or orange cream
Raspberry
Strawberry
Black Cherry or cherry extract
Cream
Vanilla
Dulce de Leche

Can someone help me with starting percentages, I have been just cover up lately, Hope to post more soon, We are farmers and corn is in and next is beans, hope to get caught up soon

Mrs. C,

I think Indian meant that link for you hun. I'll repost (thanks Indian), so that it's attached to your post, in case you need it later.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...entice-flavoring-thread-342.html#post14219957

 

[renilyn]

Fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA

Lemon
Lime
Orange sweet or orange cream
Raspberry
Strawberry
Black Cherry or cherry extract
Cream
Vanilla
Dulce de Leche

Can someone help me with starting percentages, I have been just cover up lately, Hope to post more soon, We are farmers and corn is in and next is beans, hope to get caught up soon

Repeat Post

 

[renilyn]

Almost forgot,i have a cherry question.Does anyone here have the maraschino cherry and the black cherry?Reason i ask is i tried to make a cherry starburst juice based off of Bill's pink starburst yesterday,i knew the maraschino was a strong flavor,so i used it at 3%,and it just about blew out the back of my head haha.I got my black cherry today,and the flavor smells identical to a cherry starburst,so just wondering if someone has both,which they would reccomend for the starburst flavor,and possibly a starting % on the cherry flavors,obviuosly 3% is waaay to much for the maraschino haha.I know there are charts for single flavor %,so i'm looking for a good idea on these when used in a recipe.

I think Bill mentioned at one point that its insanely potent. If I recall correctly....less than 1% type of potent. Search for Maraschino in the thread and you'll find his post on it. At least it will give you some info to work with

 

[Friscoweather]

Enviado desde mi W200 mediante Tapatalk

Urine specimens?

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

Almost forgot,i have a cherry question.Does anyone here have the maraschino cherry and the black cherry?Reason i ask is i tried to make a cherry starburst juice based off of Bill's pink starburst yesterday,i knew the maraschino was a strong flavor,so i used it at 3%,and it just about blew out the back of my head haha.I got my black cherry today,and the flavor smells identical to a cherry starburst,so just wondering if someone has both,which they would reccomend for the starburst flavor,and possibly a starting % on the cherry flavors,obviuosly 3% is waaay to much for the maraschino haha.I know there are charts for single flavor %,so i'm looking for a good idea on these when used in a recipe.

I've not tried maraschino cherry but I do have black cherry and it is really strong. Personally I would never mix it stronger than maybe 1% or 2% and add lots of supporting cream flavors.

It's way less potent. I've only used it once in a Cherry Limeade mix and agree with all my testers saying it needed more cherry @4%

 

[Mrscorbin24]

Repeat Post

Just wondering what flavors and percentage you would start with to get Fruity Pebbies, or add anything flavor I forgot.

 

[Indian Ocean Steamcloud]

Just wondering what flavors and percentage you would start with to get Fruity Pebbies, or add anything flavor I forgot.

Sadly we do not have fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA in Australia. Are they like Fruit Loops? I'm fairly sure Bill posted a recipe for fruit loops not too long ago.

...... found it. Hope it helps.


Fruit Loops - Source - Bill's Magic Vapor @ ECF

Cherry - 9%
Raspberry - 8%
Orange cream - 1%
Dulce de Leche - 2%

Bill said it's on the milky sweet side rather than the cereally side.

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

Just wondering what flavors and percentage you would start with to get Fruity Pebbies, or add anything flavor I forgot.

Sadly we do not have fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA in Australia. Are they like Fruit Loops? I'm fairly sure Bill posted a recipe for fruit loops not too long ago.

...... found it. Hope it helps.


Fruit Loops - Source - Bill's Magic Vapor @ ECF

Cherry - 9%
Raspberry - 8%
Orange cream - 1%
Dulce de Leche - 2%

Bill said it's on the milky sweet side rather than the cereally side.

Fruit Circles @ 8% for the dry cereal. Add Dulce de Leche or Dairy and Cream for wet.

 

[Felipe Ascencio]

Urine specimens?

Lol nopeeeee

Left side

Ry4 double good
12mg nic 90Pg/10Vg
10% Ry4 Double (tpa/tfa)
5% Bavarian cream (tpa/tfa)
5% Caramel candy (tpa/tfa)
2% Vanilla custard (tpa/tfa)

Right Side

A Creme de Menthe recipe unamed i made a 100 drop test and seems to work fine so i made this batch
12mg nic 35Pg/65Vg
14% Creme de Menthe (tpa/tfa)
9% Bavarian Cream (tpa/tfa)
4% Sweetener (tpa/tfa)
1% Ethyl maltol (tpa/tfa)
1% Vanilla Custard (tpa/tfa)

 

[dopamine1]

It's way less potent. I've only used it once in a Cherry Limeade mix and agree with all my testers saying it needed more cherry @4%

It seems weak in that Limeade recipe because it synergizes very good with the key lime. But that stuff is VERY potent. I was trying to make a cherry cola the other day and 2% of the cherry completely dominated the mix and blocked 6% cola syrup out (and cola syrup is a pretty strong flavor too).

 

[MacTechVpr]

Because reports came back that frosted donuts and Twinkies were a bit thin for our 1000 watt drippers, I re-formulated them to 30% mixes. The originals are fine at 12 watts, but too thin at 30 watts (too much heat burns off flavoring and makes juice taste thin)….

Great thread here Bill. Thanks for the invite.

You said a mouthful here, I think, and I'm gonna try not to bore everyone gettin' techie; but, you cook the juice with too much heat/power I find, if you get ahead of flow with power or demand (draw). The wick's terribly important here. But so is the base. Where I tend to cook off more is with VG/PG blends. In high to full VG formulas, my own high pigment tobacco's, I tend to see reduction (by discoloration) as in a good porridge thickening beyond 14W on a ZNA 1.3Ω. No scorching, chalky or ashy elements and the coil's clean (my new KPT test Bill). So really more of a question here. Am I getting reduction due to the high VG percentage? Or just not seeing pigment cook off (gunking) due to more efficient power use? Am I saying the same thing two different ways? LOL Your thoughts Bill, appreciated.

Take care and good luck.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA

Lemon
Lime
Orange sweet or orange cream
Raspberry
Strawberry
Black Cherry or cherry extract
Cream
Vanilla
Dulce de Leche

Can someone help me with starting percentages, I have been just cover up lately, Hope to post more soon, We are farmers and corn is in and next is beans, hope to get caught up soon

Glad to hear the corn is in. Big crops this year, right? All my farmer friends are up about 15%. Amazing production. Congrats! Yep, beans are next. I hear ya Mrs C! Hope corn pricing holds for ya!

I'll be back in the vapor lab later this week and may be able to get to it, and will let you know, maybe the weekend. Been really busy lately, myself. I haven't made a fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA, but I would plan on adding dulce de leche to the mix, as you have, along with vanilla and cream. So, I think you're right on track. A complex mix like that I would break down into fruit flavoring, say +/-15% and then creams, vanillas and dulce about 15%. I would find that blend. Then I would break the fruits down until I had two dominants flavorings and about two secondary flavors, so something like 6-6-3-3. Only by taste testing can you make this to suit your taste sensibilities. Good luck!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

A simple recipe and an observation

2.5% menthol
1% cinnamon redhots
0.5% chocolate

Very good and I was enjoying it......

But then I added
6% sweet cream

Holy cow....I am going to have to cut my menthol down to 2%

It was good before but now it is right on the money

The observation: That sweet cream was the secret to making the other flavors POP.

You are 100% right. Creams and vanillas at say South of 6% will pop the primaries and not overwhelm the mix. Been sayin' that since I started posting. You are on the Gold!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Oooop's, sorry Bill
I wasn't addressing those who use your "100 drop" method.

I was speaking to those who have the supplies, and want to throw together a small sample test bottle, but don't have a base mix
Putting in each ingredient solo, from scratch, I have to know the drops per mil of each to get it right.

I did not assume that everyone here, was already using your method, and I should have.
So probably spoke out of context ... I'll go back to lurking

I know you weren't, but the OP was asking about it originally, so I wanted to just make that clarification for others reading here. The 100 drop test eliminates the drop size that we all struggle with initially. Doesn't matter anymore with the % method. Just a clarification.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Great thread here Bill. Thanks for the invite.

You said a mouthful here, I think, and I'm gonna try not to bore everyone gettin' techie; but, you cook the juice with too much heat/power I find, if you get ahead of flow with power or demand (draw). The wick's terribly important here. But so is the base. Where I tend to cook off more is with VG/PG blends. In high to full VG formulas, my own high pigment tobacco's, I tend to see reduction (by discoloration) as in a good porridge thickening beyond 14W on a ZNA 1.3Ω. No scorching, chalky or ashy elements and the coil's clean (my new KPT test Bill). So really more of a question here. Am I getting reduction due to the high VG percentage? Or just not seeing pigment cook off (gunking) due to more efficient power use? Am I saying the same thing two different ways? LOL Your thoughts Bill, appreciated.

Take care and good luck.

My thoughts are that in YOUR domain, you are king, my friend, so I can't really answer your question. But I can share my experience.....most of the street vendors are selling drippers with super sub ohm builds and vaping 3% Nicotine in 70% VG mixes. They don't like my 20% TFA flavor mixes (too thin with the same 70% VG mix). They do seem to go nuts over the 30% TFA flavorings. So, I've added 10% to the flavorings to make them happy. It may be just the juice in question, but I have seen what looks like this pattern. I won't know for a few days if the 30% mixes worked better for them. That being said, Jo said that she liked the 30% mixes better too, which then makes me think it was just the original mix and MY taste sensibilities. So, I'm not completely sure. I tend to favor the art over the science in these situations, and rely on observation primarily. I like that you were able to read between the lines about what I was actually writing about too. You are the MAN! All the best, my friend!
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[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Almost forgot,i have a cherry question.Does anyone here have the maraschino cherry and the black cherry?Reason i ask is i tried to make a cherry starburst juice based off of Bill's pink starburst yesterday,i knew the maraschino was a strong flavor,so i used it at 3%,and it just about blew out the back of my head haha.I got my black cherry today,and the flavor smells identical to a cherry starburst,so just wondering if someone has both,which they would reccomend for the starburst flavor,and possibly a starting % on the cherry flavors,obviuosly 3% is waaay to much for the maraschino haha.I know there are charts for single flavor %,so i'm looking for a good idea on these when used in a recipe.

Yeah, in my chocolate covered cherries primer, I tried maraschino at 2%. It was so strong, I switched to the sweet cherry extract, and that was fine at 1 - 2%. I have heard the same as you with the black cherry, but haven't tried it yet. My first vendor juice was cherry. I never found a single flavor mix for it at any percentage. Part of my early struggles with eJuice....the dark ages period for me....no enlightenment until creams and vanillas saved me. So, if I were to make a cherry today, I would add cherry to cream and vanilla and try and mix those three with sweeteners to find my cherry. I'm probably past single flavoring mixes at this point of any flavoring, but I do remember my early fondness for the Cherry that I used to quit smoking. YUMMY! Good luck!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Got this off a DIY page and thought I'd share. She has been mixing for a long time and compared it to Capellas VC original version after a 4 day steep... YMMV

It can be done...
'Safe' (DA and AP Free) Vanilla Custard
5% TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato
5% TPA French Vanilla Creme (both new flavors)
2% TPA Brown Sugar Extra
3% TPA Cotton Candy
Tastes great- checked the spec sheet for AP and DA

Thank you for this. I started the Vanilla Custard juice about 18 months ago with capella flavorings including their eggnog and butter as well as vanilla custard. For the life of me I couldn't make this good without weeks of steeping, enough for the eggnog to "die off." When I switched ot all TFA flavorings I was able to make a really good vanilla Custard, which is called Circus Maximus in my neck of the woods. I like this recipe very much. I made my original TFA mix about six months ago, before the Gelato and FV Creams were available. I think I'm going to revisit this recipe with these new flavors and see how that compares. Vanilla Custard is one of those fundamentally important mixes that we need in our Juice arsenal. I like the look of this recipe.....a whole lot! I'm going to make when Next in the Vape Lab. Many thanks Vic! This is great help to us all.