The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[trophyfish711]

I have used the banana cream with great success .. It's not as "harsh" as banana ripe .. I've tried some peanut butter mixes with it and it works well .. Usually about 4-5 % to have that soft banana note I can't wait till winter gets here and my fishing trips slow down .. I want to sit down and mix but haven't had time .. Bill .. FYI : your Twinkie low mix and your mango custard are my ADV I also took the Twinkie and added 3 % orange cream .. It's wonderful adds that hint of orange .. Thank you sir for all that you do and welcome back .. When I slow done I'll get on here more once again ...

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I have used the banana cream with great success .. It's not as "harsh" as banana ripe .. I've tried some peanut butter mixes with it and it works well .. Usually about 4-5 % to have that soft banana note I can't wait till winter gets here and my fishing trips slow down .. I want to sit down and mix but haven't had time .. Bill .. FYI : your Twinkie low mix and your mango custard are my ADV I also took the Twinkie and added 3 % orange cream .. It's wonderful adds that hint of orange .. Thank you sir for all that you do and welcome back .. When I slow done I'll get on here more once again ...

Yes, indeed and thank you. I have found that the orange creams and other fruit creams make outstanding additions to base mixes, and prefer to use them to augment recipes, rather than use them as the base recipe themselves, preferring to, more or less, start from scratch, on all ingredients, as this method provides more control and flexibility.

However, when I want to add a hint of a flavor, or a background note, the fruity creams are, again, outstanding in such a use. Thanks for the thumbs up on your ADV's, as modified to suit your taste preferences. I am also partial to both the Twinkie and mango custard. Almost any fruit can be substituted for the mango, as well. Just play with the percentages a bit, to find the sweet spot. The Twinkie recipe couldn't be simpler and taught me the important difference between sweet cream and sweetener, as compared to Bavarian cream and cotton candy. One gives the nice Twinkie filling, the other a very nice pastry filling, but demonstrates the differences, rather well, I think, of two approaches, both incredibly useful, providing the full range of sweet creaminess, though different, between the two. It was helpful to me along the way to learn about these type of pairings in the mixes. Once learned, it's quite easy to get a broad range of flavorings in the dessert genres of custards, creams, pastries, danishes, etc. Making a batch of each pairing and comparing the two is fundamental and foundational to understanding juice mixology, in my opinion. I mention this because it was just one of those flavoring revelations and epiphanies that was important in my flavoring education, so I pass it along to assist the new mixers on this thread in enhancing their flavoring arsenal and understanding.

As you mention, the banana ripe can take over a mix if used too aggressively, which doesn't take much. But, that being said, banana ripe is one of the flavors in an actual banana flavoring, and, as a background note, quite useful. Used sparingly, you can get to places that are otherwise elusive. Many thanks and good luck!

 

[kkiet]

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[trophyfish711]

Yes, indeed and thank you. I have found that the orange creams and other fruit creams make outstanding additions to base mixes, and prefer to use them to augment recipes, rather than use them as the base recipe themselves, preferring to, more or less, start from scratch, on all ingredients, as this method provides more control and flexibility.

However, when I want to add a hint of a flavor, or a background note, the fruity creams are, again, outstanding in such a use. Thanks for the thumbs up on your ADV's, as modified to suit your taste preferences. I am also partial to both the Twinkie and mango custard. Almost any fruit can be substituted for the mango, as well. Just play with the percentages a bit, to find the sweet spot. The Twinkie recipe couldn't be simpler and taught me the important difference between sweet cream and sweetener, as compared to Bavarian cream and cotton candy. One gives the nice Twinkie filling, the other a very nice pastry filling, but demonstrates the differences, rather well, I think, of two approaches, both incredibly useful, providing the full range of sweet creaminess, though different, between the two. It was helpful to me along the way to learn about these type of pairings in the mixes. Once learned, it's quite easy to get a broad range of flavorings in the dessert genres of custards, creams, pastries, danishes, etc. Making a batch of each pairing and comparing the two is fundamental and foundational to understanding juice mixology, in my opinion. I mention this because it was just one of those flavoring revelations and epiphanies that was important in my flavoring education, so I pass it along to assist the new mixers on this thread in enhancing their flavoring arsenal and understanding.

As you mention, the banana ripe can take over a mix if used too aggressively, which doesn't take much. But, that being said, banana ripe is one of the flavors in an actual banana flavoring, and, as a background note, quite useful. Used sparingly, you can get to places that are otherwise elusive. Many thanks and good luck!

I forgot to mention .. On the Mango custard I also do a Juicy Peach Custard and a Lemon Custard . Peach I use a little less and lemon I use a little less sweetener.. its weird that the lemon one turned out so sweet .. but just like I tell everyone .. taste is a personal thing and with your sharing of knowledge it jump started my mixing by years and less trials

 

[hittman]

Is the custard a recipe from Dropbox? I don't have mango but I do have lemon and peach.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Yes, they are both on Dropbox.

Custards are easily made:

Cotton Candy 4 - 7%
Vanilla Custard 4 - 6%
Bavarian Cream 4 - 6%

You can add fruits, chocolates among other flavorings to these to get a very nice thick custard flavoring! Good Luck!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Friend just came by to pick up some juice. He is amazed that I make my own juice. Whipped up Almond Joy and Peanut Butter Cup (he likes his choco vapes) in 30's, and he was in Heaven. Doesn't happen too much, but I do enjoy laying out my top 50 juices, which I keep in the cupboard, but in 6 mg/ml strength, and asking others to pick their flavors (say two or three), often in greater nic concentrations. Great to mix, then the darn clean up! Right? Hate that part....beakers, glass mixers, carriers, dozen flavorings, syringes, computer, etc. But when you're doing it for others....occasionally....it's not too bad. VapeStrong!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Thought I'd throw out my Monkey Business Recipe since we were just discussing Banana Cream:

Monkey Business

Bananas Foster - 12%
Cinnamon Danish - 6%
Rum (Flavoring) - 5%
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Brown Sugar - 3%

This is an ADV for many that have tried it, and while not a Banana Cream, more a Bananas Foster, it's still a really good banana and doesn't use Banana, Ripe, or Banana Cream to achieve the Banana flavoring. Sometimes, I'll throw in caramel and butter, as well, depending on the mood. I call that one Bananas Foster Cream:

Banana's Foster Cream

Banana's Foster - 15%
Cinnamon Danish - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Rum - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Caramel - 1%
Butter - 1%

Both recipes are full flavored at 30% and are ready to go ATM (at time of mix), and don't require steeping. Add a drop or two of citric acid to prevent further flavor changes, though complete blending takes about 2 hours to 24 hours, depending on aeration, mixing method, etc.

These are fun recipes to work on because of the ingredient list. I mentioned pairings before, and this one has the nice brown sugar, caramel, butter pairing that is very nice, and this one is less sweet than many of my recipes, and preferred for that reason. Happy Vaping!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Since we are on the subject of Apple recipes (I just started the conversation), and I wanted to share my signature juice with the new mixers:

Dutch Apple Pie ala Mode, my Signature juice:

Apple - 12%
French Vanilla - 4%
Sweetener - 4%
Pie Crust - 4%
Graham Cracker - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Butter - 1%
Cinnamon - .5%

Additionally, the dropbox contains Apple recipes for the following:

Apple Frosted Danish - 30%
Juicy Apple Champaign - 30%
Candy Apple - 20%
Caramel Candy Apple - 21%
Apple Pie - 30.5%
Apple Pie - 20%, and

Apple Jacks

Apple - 7%
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie - 7%
Cotton Candy - 3%
Belgian Waffle - 2%
Dulce de Leche - 1%

Sometimes, new mixers have trouble with the fruit recipes, because they often don't know how to add the missing ingredients required in our recipes. Single flavor juices just don't work with TFA flavorings, and learning the supplemental, background, and enhancing flavor notes is a must. The two recipes above, show a real departure from one another, and yet, both are predominantly using apple. Apple on it's own is just so-so. Adding a few more flavors to it though makes it one of the best vape flavorings around. So, if you get a chance, try the Dutch Apple Pie ala mode, the Apple Jacks, and maybe the Apple Danish (with/without frosting), for a real summer treat! Happy Vaping and Good Luck!

 

[mommabird62]

Thanks Bill [emoji4] Good to see you around. I lurk here more than I post, but have learned a wealth of info on this thread and your posts.


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[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Good to be back!

 

[jcmcphail]

Since we are on the subject of Apple recipes (I just started the conversation), and I wanted to share my signature juice with the new mixers:

Dutch Apple Pie ala Mode, my Signature juice:

Apple - 12%
French Vanilla - 4%
Sweetener - 4%
Pie Crust - 4%
Graham Cracker - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Butter - 1%
Cinnamon - .5%

Additionally, the dropbox contains Apple recipes for the following:

Apple Frosted Danish - 30%
Juicy Apple Champaign - 30%
Candy Apple - 20%
Caramel Candy Apple - 21%
Apple Pie - 30.5%
Apple Pie - 20%, and

Apple Jacks

Apple - 7%
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie - 7%
Cotton Candy - 3%
Belgian Waffle - 2%
Dulce de Leche - 1%

Sometimes, new mixers have trouble with the fruit recipes, because they often don't know how to add the missing ingredients required in our recipes. Single flavor juices just don't work with TFA flavorings, and learning the supplemental, background, and enhancing flavor notes is a must. The two recipes above, show a real departure from one another, and yet, both are predominantly using apple. Apple on it's own is just so-so. Adding a few more flavors to it though makes it one of the best vape flavorings around. So, if you get a chance, try the Dutch Apple Pie ala mode, the Apple Jacks, and maybe the Apple Danish (with/without frosting), for a real summer treat! Happy Vaping and Good Luck!

Your expertise is greatly appreciated! Your Dutch Apple Pie and Brandon's Choice are my ADV, thanks for all your hard work.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I don't vape tobacco's and was wondering what you thought of the Brandon's Choice? It's the only tobacco I've made (complex), and don't know anyone that's really tried it, so that's good to hear (ADV). How does it compare to other tobacco's? VapeStrong!

 

[hittman]

I haven't tried any diy apple recipes but have tried a few different apple liquids. I really wanted to like apple vape but could never stand it more than a few minutes. It was a bit of a disappointment for me. I'm still loving the lemon meringue pie and strawberry lite cheesecake recipes from the drop box. It's really cool how much different the cheesecake tastes when put in a kayfun or a subtank. Both are good but different.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Not all

I haven't tried any diy apple recipes but have tried a few different apple liquids. I really wanted to like apple vape but could never stand it more than a few minutes. It was a bit of a disappointment for me. I'm still loving the lemon meringue pie and strawberry lite cheesecake recipes from the drop box. It's really cool how much different the cheesecake tastes when put in a kayfun or a subtank. Both are good but different.

Not all recipes are created equal. The reason that I say my Dutch Apple Pie is my signature juice, is because of the almost 100 juices I have made and sold commercially, this one was easily the most popular and the most addictive! When I no longer wanted to make juice commercially, I decided to share this, and other, recipes, as many used the Dutch Apple as their ADV, and I wanted them to have the recipe. So, maybe give it a try....or NOT! Just sayin'..... Good luck in your VapeQuest!

 

[hittman]

I wish others were as open and sharing as you are Bill. I had been using silverleaf menthol from puresmoker for a couple years as my ADV and when they went out of business then that was the end of it. I was hung out to dry. That's the whole reason I started getting into DIY. I came up with something that is kinda close after a few months but there was always something missing that I couldn't quite figure out.

 

[MsLoud]

Using Bills technique I have fully stopped doing 10ml testers. I can't seem to create an unvapable juice now! I make 50ml at a time and while maybe unconventional, if i vape a few tanks of one flavor and get a hankering for - lets say, a spicy peach kick - I just squirt a few MLS onto the bottle - shake the bejeezus put of it - and fill my tank!
Wish I knew it was this easy to be this satisfied with saving money on ejuice!

Thanks Bill and Andria!

 

[AndriaD]

Not me... I still hang around in here just to keep learning. I'm really really picky on fruit flavors, but sometimes see something that sounds really yummy even to my finicky tastebuds.

Andria

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Using Bills technique I have fully stopped doing 10ml testers. I can't seem to create an unvapable juice now! I make 50ml at a time and while maybe unconventional, if i vape a few tanks of one flavor and get a hankering for - lets say, a spicy peach kick - I just squirt a few MLS onto the bottle - shake the bejeezus put of it - and fill my tank!
Wish I knew it was this easy to be this satisfied with saving money on ejuice!

Thanks Bill and Andria!

You are quite welcome! Thank you for the post. Your kind words make the effort to help others all worth it! Many thanks!

Your point about the difficulty of making an unvapeable juice is a very worthwhile point that needs to be understood by the new mixer. For six months in DIY, I couldn't make a single juice that I could vape. I nearly quit, but I had too large an investment into "new hobby." So, I persevered and lucked out, stumbling on my Cinnamon Danish Recipe, that is still my ADV today, though I vape many flavors occasionally.

Yes, once you know the bases, and how the various flavorings work together, it does seem like you can "do no wrong," more or less. Since I like dessert and fruity vapes personally, I focused on developing these bases for my own use, and have posted my "base discoveries" on this thread many times, eventually writing a blog about it. I'll repost that blog post now, for the new members, and hopefully, this will help to illustrate the point about functional bases, and making good juice consistently:

Just an observation, but I have had really good success with vanillas and creams and sweetener in my juices. Often times when I hear about members having problems with their mixes, they don't use these supporting flavorings that enhance, brighten, thicken, and enrich their primary flavors. I thought I would go back to my post about how new juice makers can make great juice today and look at some of my rules of thumb. I thought it might be helpful to list primary flavoring(s), creams and vanillas, and sweeteners as a percentage of total mix. So, here's what that looks like:

Custards

Vanillas and Creams - 12%
Sweeteners - 7%
Primaries - 7-13%

Danish

Vanillas and Creams - 6-8%
Sweeteners - 4-8%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 3-7%

Creams

Vanillas and Creams - 10%
Sweeteners - 5%
Primaries - 7-13%

Pies

Vanillas and Creams - 5-8%
Sweeteners - 4-6%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 4-8%

Tarts

Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 2-4%
Primaries - 7-15%

Ok, so overall, my favorite juice mixes have a range of uses of these common ingredients, as follows:

Overall Ranges

Vanillas and Creams - 5-12%
Sweeteners - 2-8%
Primaries - 7-15%
Secondaries - 3-8%

Every juice must be custom tweaked to match your taste sensibilities, but there are some rules of thumb that do work for me. My average juice will have vanillas and creams of about 8%, sweeteners of about 4%, Primary flavorings of about 10%, and secondary flavorings of about 5%, or an average overall flavoring of 27%:

Average Flavorings

Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 4%
Primary Flavorings - 10%
Secondary Flavorings - 5%

Total Overall flavoring in the mix = 27%.

So, these are my rules of thumb, in hindsight, after making about two hundred different juices and over 50 ADV's. This is my happy place. Do you know yours?

Taste IS subjective. What works for me, may not work for you, so you have to develop your own flavorings that suit you. If you do this, you will develop profiles, probably similar to what I have shown here, with differences tailored for your tastes. After a while, the repetitive nature of juice making will cause you to instinctively know how to make juices that are going to match your tastes, as these lists show my tendencies. In so doing, you will find that you can easily design flavorings on paper, that surprisingly well work out upon first mix. It's because you have spent your time in the Vape Lab, finding what works for you. In the end, it's not magical vapor, but rather your experience that will give you the answers you need to make great juice for you, and your friends and loved ones.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I am not big on the TFA flavorings but this IS the best flavoring thread on here.
Thanks to all for putting up with me.