The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[LynnNC]

I have my flavor stash there as well but, I haven't tried their calc.

It was recommended to me when I first started diying. It's really simple and easy. I have to admit, the ejuicemeup calculator intimidated the heck out of me and that's why I was told about the ELR one.

 

[gargozer]

This is the best I have to offer. I've changed a few things, based on my experience and taking liberties as the OP:

Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Belgium Waffle 8-!2% 4/5
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Black Tea 12 % 3/5 needs a little steeping
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Cheesecake: 5-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-15%, 5/5
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie: 5%-15%
Clove: 2-3%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
DK Tab 555: 2%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12%
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Dulce de Leche: <10%> - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey: 5% (This is a strong Tea)
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Green Apple: 12-20%
Green Tea: 10-15% 4/5
Hazelnut 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Honey: 5% (Very present at this %)
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Juicy Peach 5%- 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Lemon/Lime 5% 4/5
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee:2-7%
M-type tobacco- 1% for starters... It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Marischino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Menthol Liquid (PG): 1-5%
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg. So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peach (juicy): 5-7% 5/5
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust 2-12% 2/5
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Raisin: 0.5-3% (Powerful) I dilute mine before mixing 1:3
Raspberry:5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
RY4 Double- 5-15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 1 drops per 10 ml
Spearmint: <5% Very strong start small
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu 2%-15% Over 5% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 0.5-2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobbaco Absolute (TA): <1%
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream 14% 3/5
White Chocolate: 10% (note: mine had sugar as ingredient)
Wintergreen: 20%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 2%+, 4.5/5

 

[gargozer]

This is the best I have to offer. I've changed a few things, based on my experience and taking liberties as the OP:

Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Belgium Waffle 8-!2% 4/5
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey Tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Black Tea 12 % 3/5 needs a little steeping
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Cheesecake: 5-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-15%, 5/5
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie: 5%-15%
Clove: 2-3%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
DK Tab 555: 2%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12%
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Dulce de Leche: <10%> - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey: 5% (This is a strong Tea)
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Green Apple: 12-20%
Green Tea: 10-15% 4/5
Hazelnut 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Honey: 5% (Very present at this %)
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Juicy Peach 5%- 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Lemon/Lime 5% 4/5
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee:2-7%
M-type Tobacco- 1% for starters... It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Marischino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Menthol Liquid (PG): 1-5%
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg. So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peach (juicy): 5-7% 5/5
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust 2-12% 2/5
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Raisin: 0.5-3% (Powerful) I dilute mine before mixing 1:3
Raspberry:5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
RY4 Double- 5-15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 1 drops per 10 ml
Spearmint: <5% Very strong start small
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu 2%-15% Over 5% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 0.5-2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobbaco Absolute (TA): <1%
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream 14% 3/5
White Chocolate: 10% (note: mine had sugar as ingredient)
Wintergreen: 20%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 2%+, 4.5/5

Hi, I was just wondering if the Violet flavor is like the candy & gum by Choward's Violet Mints. If so, I would LOVE to try a vape like that.
Thank you

 

[Simply Red]

It was recommended to me when I first started diying. It's really simple and easy. I have to admit, the ejuicemeup calculator intimidated the heck out of me and that's why I was told about the ELR one.

I tripped over this one long before I started DIY'ing...

E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors with PG/VG Adjusting

...and it's the only one I use. I got the EJMU calc downloaded on the laptop and plugged in one of my popular recipes and it gave me different results. Don't know why but, I'll just stick with what I know.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Hey guys.. I am still around.. I have made 4 of the vapes I said above.. I have been taking time to understand the vapes and what is good and wrong with them.. Sorry @Bill's Magic Vapor it isn't your vape.. It is just people are diffrent.. The recipe is legit but my teaste is not the same..

So I did all the ones I did.. I will add my recipe and notes what and how I did and still thinking about what I need or whatever..

In the future I plan on working with more of Bill's vapes and see if I can make a lot.. I plan on doing 30 and 120 ml bottles of flavoring.. I did learn I am burning through alot of VG and realized If you are going to start.. Just get a gallon of VG if you run 70/30 or more on vape because the PG dont get used much because the flavors got pg in them.. Same with nic if you get it that way..

Anyway.. here are my thoughts on what I did so far.. But @Bill's Magic Vapor You did a good job on the vapes.. They are all good... I just wanna change some.

This is my points on here with each recipe.. I guess others should do the same.. I think it is a good idea so you know what is up and what isnt.

Pre Notes:
There are abbreviations on the list here.
Exp: Double Dark Chocolate is DDC.

Snickers
Double Dark Chocolate
Milk Chocolate
Caramel
Barvanian Cream
Peanut Butter
Sweet Cream
Sweetneer

Notes:
Needs less peanut flavoring.
Still evaluating this recipe.

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Rootbeer Float
Rootbeer Float
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Koolada
Sweetnener
Added:
2% Vanilla Swirl

Notes:
We changed the Float from 10% to 8% and added VS to it.
New recipe goes instead of 10% Root beer we add 2% VS.

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Frosted Donuts
Frosted donuts
Sweet Cream
Sweetener
Vanilla Swirl
Cotton Candy
Butter

Notes:
Needs reworked.

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Fudge Brownie Sundae
Fudge Brownie
French Vanilla Deluxe
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Vanilla Swirl
Sweetener
Whipped Cream
//Cherry

Notes:
May need cherry flavoring.. Taste like premade brownies and dark chocolate.
Possible up the VS or VBIC.

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Snickers + Fudge Brownie Sundue
Mixed both together after making seperately.

Notes:
Dorothy's being ghey about all the things.



I have to agree with Bill on this.. That program is a good one to use... it is really simple and straight forward.. and it saves all the recipes in it for you.. I am guessing you can have an infinite amount of recipes there..

What I do is just take a pic with my phone of the recipe use it like that..

My friend, all of us have to change recipes to suit our tastes. I assume that any recipes I post will be changed by all of you to suit your preferences. There's no way that my juice will match your vaping preferences and gear, and, so, they must be adjusted. However, recipes point us in the right direction, and I find it much easier to adjust a recipe, than to create one from scratch, though I do enjoy playing mad scientist in the vape lab. Good luck to you!

 

[hittman]

I definitely agree Bill. I'm very thankful for the dropbox recipes. I usually end up adding a percentage or two of some ingredients in the recipes so I can taste them a little better but to me they have all been very close so far.

 

[Kaezziel]

Finally decided to try the 100DT method. I was digging around in a bunch of my old Wiz Lab tester bottles and decided to attempt a Dulce de Leche Cheesecake...

1st attempt:
Cheesecake - 15%
Dulce de Leche - 8%
Graham Cracker (Clear) - 2%
Pie Crust - 2%
Sweetener - 3%
Noted that it needed a little more crust flavoring and maybe a bit of vanilla... so....

2nd attempt:
Cheesecake - 13%
Dulce de Leche - 7%
Graham Cracker (Clear) - 3%
Pie Crust - 3%
Vanillin - 2%
Sweetener - 2%
I'm liking this one a bit more... definitely getting the tanginess of the cheesecake, the sweet toffee/caramel of the dulce, nice light crust flavor and a hint of vanilla.
I may now try substituting various fruits in place of the Dulce....

 

[LynnNC]

I tripped over this one long before I started DIY'ing...

E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors with PG/VG Adjusting

...and it's the only one I use. I got the EJMU calc downloaded on the laptop and plugged in one of my popular recipes and it gave me different results. Don't know why but, I'll just stick with what I know.

Thanks! I saved it on my phone!

 

[hittman]

Finally decided to try the 100DT method. I was digging around in a bunch of my old Wiz Lab tester bottles and decided to attempt a Dulce de Leche Cheesecake...

1st attempt:
Cheesecake - 15%
Dulce de Leche - 8%
Graham Cracker (Clear) - 2%
Pie Crust - 2%
Sweetener - 3%
Noted that it needed a little more crust flavoring and maybe a bit of vanilla... so....

2nd attempt:
Cheesecake - 13%
Dulce de Leche - 7%
Graham Cracker (Clear) - 3%
Pie Crust - 3%
Vanillin - 2%
Sweetener - 2%
I'm liking this one a bit more... definitely getting the tanginess of the cheesecake, the sweet toffee/caramel of the dulce, nice light crust flavor and a hint of vanilla.
I may now try substituting various fruits in place of the Dulce....

Thanks for sharing. I really like cheesecake flavors. I usually use the lite strawberry cheesecake recipe and up the graham to 4% and the strawberry to 4%. I never thought to try the dulce. I might try the biscuit flavor too that I've been meaning to work into a recipe somewhere.

 

[Kaezziel]

Thanks for sharing. I really like cheesecake flavors. I usually use the lite strawberry cheesecake recipe and up the graham to 4% and the strawberry to 4%. I never thought to try the dulce. I might try the biscuit flavor too that I've been meaning to work into a recipe somewhere.

I absolutely love cheesecake. My wife has even baked cheesecakes for me as "birthday cakes"! But I've never really been a huge fan of fruit toppings on my cheesecake. It's okay, on occasion, but for the most part I prefer just plain cheesecake. Then my wife made dulce de leche (by putting a can of sweetened condensed milk in the crock pot) and put that on the cheesecake, once. I really liked that! So I figured, why not try to make that a juice... still kinda sampling the second version, and may up the graham a bit more, but so far I'm pretty happy with it.

 

[jwitfield]

My friend, all of us have to change recipes to suit our tastes. I assume that any recipes I post will be changed by all of you to suit your preferences. There's no way that my juice will match your vaping preferences and gear, and, so, they must be adjusted. However, recipes point us in the right direction, and I find it much easier to adjust a recipe, than to create one from scratch, though I do enjoy playing mad scientist in the vape lab. Good luck to you!

I definitely agree with you.. I guess it is good new people getting into this will wonder wtf why don't my juice taste good.. I am just pointing out the obvious so they know..

I did notice that the fudge and snickers after sitting for a couple days does taste better..
My wife mixed both and she likes it like that.. So we are all different..

 

[Digatel]

I don't know if this has been asked already (although I'm sure it has), but I don't have the patience to scroll through 600+ pages.
So my question, concerning the 100DT method—if I am trying to make a juice at 3mg nic, then do I add 3 drops of the 100mg nic I have? It seems like a lot, but I am not sure—I am new to this DIY, so any help is welcomed!
Thanks.

 

[MsLoud]

When I made the 100dt, I left the nic out. Saw no need myself.
Now I have a pg/vg/nic base i use and I just count it as one "flavor" but my mixes are never smaller than 20ml.

 

[hittman]

I don't know if this has been asked already (although I'm sure it has), but I don't have the patience to scroll through 600+ pages.
So my question, concerning the 100DT method—if I am trying to make a juice at 3mg nic, then do I add 3 drops of the 100mg nic I have? It seems like a lot, but I am not sure—I am new to this DIY, so any help is welcomed!
Thanks.

To answer your question, yes three drops would make 3% final solution with a 100dt.

 

[b.m.]

I left the nic out. Saw no need myself.

I'm exactly the opposite,i never make any samples without nic because the taste will change a bit with and without it,and i never vape juice without nic,therefore i want to know exactly what my finished stuff will taste like haha

 

[IDJoel]

First, the individual flavorings (I have a chart I use for starting percentages in the dropbox (Flavoring Chart)

OK Bill,
I've been staring at your Flavoring Chart for the last 4 days. I am afraid I am a bit of a literalist.

I am reading the chart as: ONLY PG + Flavor - Vape(drags/puffs?). Am I correct? (No nic, no VG?)

If so; does this carry over well once you do add nic and VG? I know (at least in my experience) nic will add throat hit (not sure what/if any effect on flavor), and VG tends to mute flavors.

Would there be any benefit to mixing an unflavored base of say 30/70 (PG/VG) with nic, or even 20/80 w/nic (to compensate for the added PG in the Flavor{as I typically vape 30/70 mixes. And I understand this is still not a perfect "one for one" model as the PG/VG balance will shift a bit as additional flavoring is added}), and using that base in the same number of drops as "PG" to get a better idea of the final product? Or, am I making this more complicated than I need to, as I usually do.

I am also curious what constitutes a "vape." I realize this will vary greatly on an individual's testing gear and use (single coil, dual coil, wire size/gauge, watts, and duration of inhale). Can this be something as simple as three drops of the testing liquid onto the coil? or is it a predetermined number of inhales?

I, along with all the others who have already said, appreciate all your experience AND your willingness to share that knowledge, to shorten others learning curves through your own trial and error. I find it invaluable. Thank you. I hoist a glass to you sir!

(My apologies to everyone reading this thread as I know this is off topic )

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

OK Bill,
I've been staring at your Flavoring Chart for the last 4 days. I am afraid I am a bit of a literalist.

I am reading the chart as: ONLY PG + Flavor - Vape(drags/puffs?). Am I correct? (No nic, no VG?)

If so; does this carry over well once you do add nic and VG? I know (at least in my experience) nic will add throat hit (not sure what/if any effect on flavor), and VG tends to mute flavors.

Would there be any benefit to mixing an unflavored base of say 30/70 (PG/VG) with nic, or even 20/80 w/nic (to compensate for the added PG in the Flavor{as I typically vape 30/70 mixes. And I understand this is still not a perfect "one for one" model as the PG/VG balance will shift a bit as additional flavoring is added}), and using that base in the same number of drops as "PG" to get a better idea of the final product? Or, am I making this more complicated than I need to, as I usually do.

I am also curious what constitutes a "vape." I realize this will vary greatly on an individual's testing gear and use (single coil, dual coil, wire size/gauge, watts, and duration of inhale). Can this be something as simple as three drops of the testing liquid onto the coil? or is it a predetermined number of inhales?

I, along with all the others who have already said, appreciate all your experience AND your willingness to share that knowledge, to shorten others learning curves through your own trial and error. I find it invaluable. Thank you. I hoist a glass to you sir!

(My apologies to everyone reading this thread as I know this is off topic )

I would say that starting percentages of TFA flavorings is definitely "On Topic."

In testing for starting flavor strength, I use PG and flavoring only. My goal is to get within 2% or so of the right strength, which I will adjust to a final strength when I do 100DT's.

Could you use a solution of PG/VG in lieu of just PG? Great question. I would think YES!

I use three drops of the mixture and vape. Seems like I get about three vapes. I then make notes on my sheet. I continue to do this until I find the flavoring I'm looking for, which I instinctively recognize, though cannot describe very well.

Does this model translate well using only PG? It does for me, and as the flavoring is PG, it seems like the right way to go for me.

I used to do this using a kind of 100dt method, but it took forever, and required too much work for me. I wanted a way to find the starting flavor quickly and fairly accurately, though, perhaps, sacrificing "exact", for "close." Turns out close is all I need to mix juice as a starting point.

I have more than 200 flavorings that I use in mixes, and I was never going to take like an hour on each one to find the starting point. I kind of want to know in the next five minutes, or I might just never know, is my rationale. Additionally, the flavor charts that are published on this thread were never, ever even close for me. OR, they would say between 5% and 17%, or something, as if that was helpful.

So, I developed this method for speed and "near accuracy", and trust my own tastes, versus an "overly broad" range of starting percentages that did not work for me.

I share it here, for anyone interested in "a" method, that is quick and easy, and doesn't require a lot of clean-up....something I abhor! I remember way back when, I used more than 20 identical atomizers (Taifuns), and made a big mess trying to get to a starting percentage. This method is vastly superior, imho, so I wanted to share, once upon a time, when the question inevitably emerged, by those that must have felt the same way about speed, mess, and inaccurate charts. So, there you have it. Hope it helps! Or, perhaps someone will develop something easier and faster, and I'll use that too! Best!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

OK Bill,
I've been staring at your Flavoring Chart for the last 4 days. I am afraid I am a bit of a literalist.

I am reading the chart as: ONLY PG + Flavor - Vape(drags/puffs?). Am I correct? (No nic, no VG?)

If so; does this carry over well once you do add nic and VG? I know (at least in my experience) nic will add throat hit (not sure what/if any effect on flavor), and VG tends to mute flavors.

Would there be any benefit to mixing an unflavored base of say 30/70 (PG/VG) with nic, or even 20/80 w/nic (to compensate for the added PG in the Flavor{as I typically vape 30/70 mixes. And I understand this is still not a perfect "one for one" model as the PG/VG balance will shift a bit as additional flavoring is added}), and using that base in the same number of drops as "PG" to get a better idea of the final product? Or, am I making this more complicated than I need to, as I usually do.

I am also curious what constitutes a "vape." I realize this will vary greatly on an individual's testing gear and use (single coil, dual coil, wire size/gauge, watts, and duration of inhale). Can this be something as simple as three drops of the testing liquid onto the coil? or is it a predetermined number of inhales?

I, along with all the others who have already said, appreciate all your experience AND your willingness to share that knowledge, to shorten others learning curves through your own trial and error. I find it invaluable. Thank you. I hoist a glass to you sir!

(My apologies to everyone reading this thread as I know this is off topic )

nevermind

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

@bill"s Magic Vapor
Do you allow your flavors to age before using them? I am asking because I was curious as to how you handle the ones that have alcohol in them. I've tried a couple of taste tests and get knocked out because of the alcohol and cannot taste anything but yuk. Any suggestions?

Thank you so much for being such a great guy and sharing your vast knowledge with the rest of us.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

@bill"s Magic Vapor
Do you allow your flavors to age before using them? I am asking because I was curious as to how you handle the ones that have alcohol in them. I've tried a couple of taste tests and get knocked out because of the alcohol and cannot taste anything but yuk. Any suggestions?

Thank you so much for being such a great guy and sharing your vast knowledge with the rest of us.

While I don't personally have that issue with alcohol flavorings, waiting with them in an open beaker (largest surface area possible for dissipation), will be helpful to you, imho. Even so, I'm only trying to find a starting point for the flavoring, and all other factors can be ignored at this point.

The flavoring chart in the dropbox is different than the 100DT Method explained elsewhere. The flavoring chart is to determine the approximate starting point of PRIMARY flavorings. The 100DT is the method to make a complete juice, and then to be able to quickly adjust it to taste and gear preferences.