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Sorry to hear that Jim! Hope to see you poking around soon And remember-any comments or otherwise are more than welcome! It's what the whole thing was all about!
And remember-any comments or otherwise are more than welcome! It's what the whole thing was all about!
Update on Pecan Danish.....
A day later and just vaped the original recipe with the Pecan at 5%. Better....smoother...the cream cheese has settled down into more an undertone. It's very close. It needs vanilla. I'm adjusting recipe to:
Pecan Danish
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Cotton Candy - 8%
Pecan - 5%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 2%
Cream Cheese Icing - 1%
I can think of many good variations to this Danish recipe, but this one is quite a nice Danish vape. I am happy with this contribution to the Danish quest, and pleasantly surprised. I don't think that the cream cheese icing needs to be over the 1%, it's just that dominant, but I think that less than 1%, we might lose it altogether. This is not the gooey, sticky pecan Danish I was hoping for.....more a cinnamon Danish with pecans on top of a frosted icing. I do get some separation too, which is nice, and hard to achieve sometimes. I can't say that danishes, in general, need the cream cheese icing, either. It's a type of Danish, but not the gooey, sticky type For that, I would leave it out. So, it has it's place, but don't see it as a universal addition to a "Danish." The cinnamon is subtle, the pecan, not overwhelming, but there, the icing, separate and there. This is a Danish, for sure, imho. 
A day later and just vaped the original recipe with the Pecan at 5%. Better....smoother...the cream cheese has settled down into more an undertone. It's very close. It needs vanilla. I'm adjusting recipe to:
Pecan Danish
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Cotton Candy - 8%
Pecan - 5%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 2%
Cream Cheese Icing - 1%
I can think of many good variations to this Danish recipe, but this one is quite a nice Danish vape. I am happy with this contribution to the Danish quest, and pleasantly surprised. I don't think that the cream cheese icing needs to be over the 1%, it's just that dominant, but I think that less than 1%, we might lose it altogether. This is not the gooey, sticky pecan Danish I was hoping for.....more a cinnamon Danish with pecans on top of a frosted icing. I do get some separation too, which is nice, and hard to achieve sometimes. I can't say that danishes, in general, need the cream cheese icing, either. It's a type of Danish, but not the gooey, sticky type For that, I would leave it out. So, it has it's place, but don't see it as a universal addition to a "Danish." The cinnamon is subtle, the pecan, not overwhelming, but there, the icing, separate and there. This is a Danish, for sure, imho.
Worked on my Peach Cobbler today. This was my third ADV, way back when, and really demonstrates the evolution in my juice making. When I first started to make some good juice, I focused on flavoring around 20%. It does work quite well on some flavorings too. Others really do need more room and a 30% flavoring. Since this is Jo's (the missus BMV) favorite ADV (she has a few, but always comes back to this one), I thought I would update it and flavor it more fully. Also, when I created this, I believe I was still using clearomizers, or just starting to use carto tanks, so it is perhaps less flavorful than it needs to be for a higher wattage vape. We both vape around 12 watts these days, using regulated devices.
Anyway, here's the old recipe:
21% Peach Cobbler
Juicy Peach - 10%
Sweetener - 4%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Cinnamon - 1-2%
Graham Cracker - 1.5%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 1%
Sweet Cream - 1%
And here's the new recipe:
30% Peach Cobbler
Juicy Peach - 12%
Graham Cracker - 5%
Sweetener - 4%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 3%
Sweet Cream - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Cinnamon Spice - 1%
The cinnamon spice is far less potent (in this mix), than the regular cinnamon, so that is another change I made. Also, this tastes more like the baker cinnamon that we use in cooking. Good upon mixing, really great a day or two later (flavor bonding is important with this one). I made this with a 100DT and I'm not going to wait. I'm familiar enough with this flavoring that I'm going to go straight to a larger batch. Really surprised at how much better the cinnamon spice is here. No danger of it taking over the mix, atp.
Just to reiterate and expand on this new version. Some vapers use very high heat dripping atomizers for their vaping. 20% flavorings can be a little thin under those conditions, and do need more vanilla creams and higher flavoring percentages (30%). So, I'm responding to that with this new mix. Tastes virtually the same, just thicker, richer flavoring. I'm vaping this now, it hasn't steeped/bonded, and the only thing that comes to mind is a possible increase to the brown sugar. I want that flavoring in the mix, and I'm not getting enough of it here. Also, the graham cracker increased significantly in this mix, and that's because I want to be able to taste it in the mix, and it's just barely there at 5% for me. May be too high for others, but I wasn't getting it at all, and you have to have it to make it a "cobbler." My next batch will reduce the peach to 11% and increase the brown sugar to 3%. That's going to do it for me. This one is a good vape and easy to play with. You can pick which flavorings you want to shine, more or less, and it's able to do that with easy 1% step changes. Good luck!
Anyway, here's the old recipe:
21% Peach Cobbler
Juicy Peach - 10%
Sweetener - 4%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Cinnamon - 1-2%
Graham Cracker - 1.5%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 1%
Sweet Cream - 1%
And here's the new recipe:
30% Peach Cobbler
Juicy Peach - 12%
Graham Cracker - 5%
Sweetener - 4%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 3%
Sweet Cream - 3%
Brown Sugar - 2%
Cinnamon Spice - 1%
The cinnamon spice is far less potent (in this mix), than the regular cinnamon, so that is another change I made. Also, this tastes more like the baker cinnamon that we use in cooking. Good upon mixing, really great a day or two later (flavor bonding is important with this one). I made this with a 100DT and I'm not going to wait. I'm familiar enough with this flavoring that I'm going to go straight to a larger batch. Really surprised at how much better the cinnamon spice is here. No danger of it taking over the mix, atp.
Just to reiterate and expand on this new version. Some vapers use very high heat dripping atomizers for their vaping. 20% flavorings can be a little thin under those conditions, and do need more vanilla creams and higher flavoring percentages (30%). So, I'm responding to that with this new mix. Tastes virtually the same, just thicker, richer flavoring. I'm vaping this now, it hasn't steeped/bonded, and the only thing that comes to mind is a possible increase to the brown sugar. I want that flavoring in the mix, and I'm not getting enough of it here. Also, the graham cracker increased significantly in this mix, and that's because I want to be able to taste it in the mix, and it's just barely there at 5% for me. May be too high for others, but I wasn't getting it at all, and you have to have it to make it a "cobbler." My next batch will reduce the peach to 11% and increase the brown sugar to 3%. That's going to do it for me. This one is a good vape and easy to play with. You can pick which flavorings you want to shine, more or less, and it's able to do that with easy 1% step changes. Good luck!
I'm having a problem with one flavor taking over the whole recipe in another one Bill. I tried a 10ml batch of Apple Jacks last night and the dulce de leche dominated the whole mix @ 1%
your recipe...
7% Apple
7% Cinnamon Sugar Cookie
3% Cotton Candy
2% Belgium Waffle
1% Dulce De Leche
I'm at 13% Apple and Cinnamon Sugar to 11% and it's starting to come through better. I should have made another batch without the Dulce since that's my problem but running low on VG. My gallons were supposed to be here already!!
Anyone else try the Apple Jacks recipe? Curious to what others experienced.
your recipe...
7% Apple
7% Cinnamon Sugar Cookie
3% Cotton Candy
2% Belgium Waffle
1% Dulce De Leche
I'm at 13% Apple and Cinnamon Sugar to 11% and it's starting to come through better. I should have made another batch without the Dulce since that's my problem but running low on VG. My gallons were supposed to be here already!!
Anyone else try the Apple Jacks recipe? Curious to what others experienced.
new flavors that came in today. looking forward to playing with them
my quest for a good danish hasnt made great proggress. i will share my recipes now. maybe someone can see what is wrong. i was taking a different approach but fell short.
raspberry danish 1
raspberry sweet 12%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
raspberry danish 2
raspberry sweet 12%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
i then was thinking the raspberry wasnt enough so i went with a different filling flavor
strawberry danish
strawberry 10%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
blueberry danish
blueberry wild 15%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
all of these tasted decent when made. i think the issue may be not enough flavorings. my percentages are to low and if brought up could maybe bring them were i need them. im kinda stumped. i dont have the cinnamon danish flavoring. i wanted to go about it a different way. i will try again after some more thinking and planning were i wanna go with it
my quest for a good danish hasnt made great proggress. i will share my recipes now. maybe someone can see what is wrong. i was taking a different approach but fell short.
raspberry danish 1
raspberry sweet 12%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
raspberry danish 2
raspberry sweet 12%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
i then was thinking the raspberry wasnt enough so i went with a different filling flavor
strawberry danish
strawberry 10%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
blueberry danish
blueberry wild 15%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
all of these tasted decent when made. i think the issue may be not enough flavorings. my percentages are to low and if brought up could maybe bring them were i need them. im kinda stumped. i dont have the cinnamon danish flavoring. i wanted to go about it a different way. i will try again after some more thinking and planning were i wanna go with it
We all have different senses of taste, and different taste sensibilities. For me, the Apple Jacks is right on the money, and it is available elsewhere as Jacks or Better, and a favorite of many vapers. If you need to reduce the dulce de leche, then you should. The reason for dulce de leche is to get that bottom of the bowl, sweet milk flavoring. If you think that you're not getting enough apple, well, Apple Jacks does not have a strong apple flavoring. In fact, Apple Jacks does not taste like apple at all, though there is a hint of it, but oh so slight in the cereal. The predominant flavoring of Apple Jacks IS NOT APPLE. That may be what you are experiencing. I had to buy apple jacks cereal and try it several times to get a good copy. The bottom of the bowl flavoring is what I liked best, and that is what I tailored the mix to achieve, and I think it does that really well. What exactly are you thinking when you say that dulce takes over the mix? Are you expecting more apple, for example? Let me know. This is a very popular flavoring by the way. Ciao!
We all have different senses of taste, and different taste sensibilities. For me, the Apple Jacks is right on the money, and it is available elsewhere as Jacks or Better, and a favorite of many vapers. If you need to reduce the dulce de leche, then you should. The reason for dulce de leche is to get that bottom of the bowl, sweet milk flavoring. If you think that you're not getting enough apple, well, Apple Jacks does not have a strong apple flavoring. In fact, Apple Jacks does not taste like apple at all, though there is a hint of it, but oh so slight in the cereal. The predominant flavoring of Apple Jacks IS NOT APPLE. That may be what you are experiencing. I had to buy apple jacks cereal and try it several times to get a good copy. The bottom of the bowl flavoring is what I liked best, and that is what I tailored the mix to achieve, and I think it does that really well. What exactly are you thinking when you say that dulce takes over the mix? Are you expecting more apple, for example? Let me know. This is a very popular flavoring by the way. Ciao!
Well, it's like I'm doing something wrong. What I mean is I get the bottom of the bowl milk without Apple Jacks flavor in it. The reason I added so much of the Apple and CSC is to get the Apple Jacks(cereal) flavor to come through. My live in tester said the same thing even after the extra Apple and CSC. I hope I don't come across negative in manner. This is just what we're experiencing. I think I should make the cereal part first and try my Dairy mix for the milk since it is a lighter approach for the bottom of the bowl without being overpowering. Apple and CSC are not strong flavors by any means imo. The dulce de leche is new to me but seems pretty strong and I can see it working well with fruit loops which is strong as well.
Hey Nate!new flavors that came in today. looking forward to playing with them
my quest for a good danish hasnt made great proggress. i will share my recipes now. maybe someone can see what is wrong. i was taking a different approach but fell short.
raspberry danish 1
raspberry sweet 12%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
raspberry danish 2
raspberry sweet 12%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
i then was thinking the raspberry wasnt enough so i went with a different filling flavor
strawberry danish
strawberry 10%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
blueberry danish
blueberry wild 15%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
all of these tasted decent when made. i think the issue may be not enough flavorings. my percentages are to low and if brought up could maybe bring them were i need them. im kinda stumped. i dont have the cinnamon danish flavoring. i wanted to go about it a different way. i will try again after some more thinking and planning were i wanna go with it
Can't say anything to help in your quest as I don't have some of your flavorings, like Horchata? Don't know what that tastes like. I don't use Cheesecake in anything, though I've tried to use it for a couple of years. If you want to bring out your primary flavorings you need to do more like 6% cream AND 6% vanilla. that may help. Just some thoughts. Good luck!
Update on Pecan Danish.....
A day later and just vaped the original recipe with the Pecan at 5%. Better....smoother...the cream cheese has settled down into more an undertone. It's very close. It needs vanilla. I'm adjusting recipe to:
Pecan Danish
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Cotton Candy - 8%
Pecan - 5%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 2%
Cream Cheese Icing - 1%
I can think of many good variations to this Danish recipe, but this one is quite a nice Danish vape. I am happy with this contribution to the Danish quest, and pleasantly surprised. I don't think that the cream cheese icing needs to be over the 1%, it's just that dominant, but I think that less than 1%, we might lose it altogether. This is not the gooey, sticky pecan Danish I was hoping for.....more a cinnamon Danish with pecans on top of a frosted icing. I do get some separation too, which is nice, and hard to achieve sometimes. I can't say that danishes, in general, need the cream cheese icing, either. It's a type of Danish, but not the gooey, sticky type For that, I would leave it out. So, it has it's place, but don't see it as a universal addition to a "Danish." The cinnamon is subtle, the pecan, not overwhelming, but there, the icing, separate and there. This is a Danish, for sure, imho.
Bill... that sounds SOOOOO tasty! Thank you for sharing
I'm so excited about this quest. I just got my email saying "shipped", so I should see it by Saturday I think (hope!!!)Is the gooey you're looking for the result of Brown Sugar doing its thing in the ingredients? Not when it turns into caramel... just its slight molasses sugary flavor in and of itself. Could that be what you think you don't taste? I've barely used my Brown Sugar Extra, so I'm not sure if it would even help-but from the food aspect of it all, that's what it sounds like you're yearning for. Perhaps you need to go pick up another Pecan Danish and umm... do more research!
Who knows Reni!Bill... that sounds SOOOOO tasty! Thank you for sharing
Is the gooey you're looking for the result of Brown Sugar doing its thing in the ingredients? Not when it turns into caramel... just its slight molasses sugary flavor in and of itself. Could that be what you think you don't taste? I've barely used my Brown Sugar Extra, so I'm not sure if it would even help-but from the food aspect of it all, that's what it sounds like you're yearning for. Perhaps you need to go pick up another Pecan Danish and umm... do more research!
If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think.
Bill,
Horchata is a sweet/rice milk/cinnamon drink from Mexico. If you have such a cheap "roach coach" or drive through by you, by all means, I suggest you go get some. It'll make you want to order the flavor, I PROMISE!!! LOL There is a friend around here who's hubby doesn't like much other than vaping Horchata lol If done properly, its SOOOO yummy!
i have been reading this thread slowly but surely.... my question is, if i drip at say .5ohms its ok to bump the flavor content up? as opposed to an EGO and clearo? i have been DIY'ing for about 6 months and have been finding it hard to make a balance for friends as opposed to what i like.... i have been backing off on flavor concentrations on my bakery types and they are getting better IMO. roughly 10-15 %, but others say they are too strong or not strong enough....i'm confused here but would like any response from someone who uses rda's....here's a sample recipe..... Caramel Cheesecake @23% flavor. thought about making it in lower concentrations.
for a 30 ML batch...
Bavarian Cream (TPA) 3 ML
Caramel (Original) (TPA) 1 ML
Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA) 1.8 ML
Graham Cracker Clear (TPA) .3 ML
Marshmallow (TPA) 1 ML
i like it but i have read you should keep you flavor concentrations lower. forgive me i am cornfused at the moment. i would love to make this for friends and improve my own experience..... so a general guidline would be helpful?
for a 30 ML batch...
Bavarian Cream (TPA) 3 ML
Caramel (Original) (TPA) 1 ML
Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA) 1.8 ML
Graham Cracker Clear (TPA) .3 ML
Marshmallow (TPA) 1 ML
i like it but i have read you should keep you flavor concentrations lower. forgive me i am cornfused at the moment. i would love to make this for friends and improve my own experience..... so a general guidline would be helpful?
I use RDA's(my go to is my immortalizer for flavor)and you have to remember flavor and taste is 100% subjective.What you like someone else is not going to like it.the same goes with the flavor concentration/percentage.If you go down on the % and like it,others still will not like it.
I know what Horchata is, but I've not vaped it, and don't see that going on my vape list any time soon. Even if it is great, I've never heard of a horchata Danish, at least in the U.S., so I don't see it as a valuable Danish flavoring. That's my take on it, and I'm sure that can be proven wrong by someone's sense of taste (subjective, etc.). Remember the OP was saying that he had failed and gave four different Danish recipes, and, maybe, just maybe, the horchata is contributing to that? I don't know, again never vaped it, but it's not without reason in this situation.
I make a lot of juice for a lot of folks, and most of them are drippers, and I can tell you what dozens of them think. Dripping is about less NICOTINE, not lower flavoring. If anything, the higher heat of most drippers requires MORE flavoring. I am frequently asked to increase flavoring for drippers, as 20% mixes often seem a little "thin," their words, not mine. In fact, I just updated my 21% Peach Cobbler to a 30% Peach Cobbler for my dripper friends just today. Hope this helps.
I can't get any of my juices to taste right to me at higher than 12 watts. That's just me though, and most of my friends vape at or near 1,000 watts, or something.
Btw, if you list your recipes with percentages of the mix, it's a little easier to follow. Ciao!
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Well that's totally true, but, that being said, there are also some fairly reliable rules of thumb, as well.
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