The kids like Flavors claim
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OMG I just followed that link the biggest load of garbage I have ever seen.
And they don't even allow you to leave comments....
And they don't even allow you to leave comments....
Its Okay... I sent a very polite, yet strongly worded email about how they are being misleading, and how E cigs are good because they helped me quit smoking. Bunch of codswallop though, really. I Phoned a few friends, Older folks, Family friends, A couple days ago. I told them how I quit smoking. Initially they were happy with me. Then I told them I used E cigs. They were not happy. All about chemicals, and how they have been banned in schools... (Which doesnt make sense because Cigarettes have also been banned in schools). People are so misinformed.
Schools often bar students from bringing cellphones to school, and my kids school has rules about graphics on shirts...
I would laugh if someone used the "it must be bad because it isn't allowed in school" line on me, and try to come up with examples that hit them hard. Alcohol isn't allowed in schools either, would a beer lover want his activities curtailed for that reason? (line best delivered when friend making that argument is chugging pale ale)
Although I read what you wrote wrong at first. I was like, "my school had all that chemicals!". Science lab was certainly stocked with more PG and VG than all the kids could vape, and the home ec pantry had plenty of LorAnn's.
I would laugh if someone used the "it must be bad because it isn't allowed in school" line on me, and try to come up with examples that hit them hard. Alcohol isn't allowed in schools either, would a beer lover want his activities curtailed for that reason? (line best delivered when friend making that argument is chugging pale ale)
Although I read what you wrote wrong at first. I was like, "my school had all that chemicals!". Science lab was certainly stocked with more PG and VG than all the kids could vape, and the home ec pantry had plenty of LorAnn's.
Where's the fun in being an adult if we can't do any of the things we deny the children?
This exact discussion has rattled my cage before. The people who claim that kids will vape because of the flavors... Are ignorant. This is the same type of philosophy that led to the attempted ban of eating disorder support sites. "If kids run across the sites, they'll start throwing up and starving themselves." Um, no. If you're not predisposed for an addiction or mental illness, there's no way you're going to be coerced into it.
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The kids angle is all just BS...apparantly I started smoking cigs at 15 becuz I was drawn to the delicious flavor of Marlboro lights. A friend of mine brought a bottle of Swedish Fish vodka to a party a while back, it was delicious...but where's the outrage? You ever try bubblegum vodka and sprite? it's godly...but i don't see it all over the news. Oh that's right, the gov already gets their slice of that pie. Where's the outrage for those tasty green apple blunt wraps? You know the ones that you roll up "tobacco" with...oops nevermind, they get their piece of that too.
I could go on, but obviously there is no need...we all know what the deal is with the "kids" angle of the fight for tax revenue, I mean, Ecig regulation
I could go on, but obviously there is no need...we all know what the deal is with the "kids" angle of the fight for tax revenue, I mean, Ecig regulation
like drink flavored water.
let us not forget, cigarettes are already taxed beyond belief. easiest way for them to get their biggest part of the tax pie with the least struggle is to equate e-cigs with cigs and regulate them out of the reach of small time vendors. then they get all of their tax revenue back from cigarettes with no fight as to how to regain it from the replacement product. (because the public is already duped to be on the side of the antis)
just a thought...
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If e cigarette gets banned... people will still sell.... just more discreetly. Up until a year ago....you could mail order illicit drugs to your door....
People will get from China.... or
People will get from China.... or
This is one of those things that boggles my mind. I was a kid once--I found cigs and smoked them; all of us knew where we could be served beer even though we weren't of age, and I went to more parties than I can count where there was alcohol well before I was 18 or 21. Kids (especially teens)are more attracted to those things that are "out of bounds" than the things they can get their hands on easily. That is where the excitement is and the breaking away from parents and rules. So banning really entices the younger set instead of the opposite...surely all these people making up these rules were also young once and remember---crap, I am 70 and I remember with glee all the "bad" things we did while growing up to be upstanding (more or less) citizens.
Hookah has been using these flavors well before ecigs were ever made, so I just ignore these arguments.
Actually the thing with ecigs is, I think, a great distraction for teens. I mean if they think they can be all bad and rebellious, which is pretty much what teenagers do, by vaping, well, "Don't throw me in that briar patch!"
I think it's more like wearing black clothes, dying their hair pink or wearing too much makeup. Mostly harmless. Heck, I'd rather see a teen vaping than getting ink and permanently destroying any chance of a good job. Even facial jewelry, actually. It does leave scars behind and some employers don't like that, even if they don't have jewelry in the holes anymore. And a tongue piercing can cause dental damage. I mean which is worse, a chipped tooth or vaping? I'd say the tooth. It's permanent.
So in the general realm of, "Things kids do to rebel against their parents", I'd classify vaping, especially 0 nic, as one of the least of the bad things they could be doing. Down around the level of wearing weird clothes and/or writing bad poetry. Kids do need to rebel or they end up at home forever. Some things, however, are far better expressions of that independence than others.
I think it's more like wearing black clothes, dying their hair pink or wearing too much makeup. Mostly harmless. Heck, I'd rather see a teen vaping than getting ink and permanently destroying any chance of a good job. Even facial jewelry, actually. It does leave scars behind and some employers don't like that, even if they don't have jewelry in the holes anymore. And a tongue piercing can cause dental damage. I mean which is worse, a chipped tooth or vaping? I'd say the tooth. It's permanent.
So in the general realm of, "Things kids do to rebel against their parents", I'd classify vaping, especially 0 nic, as one of the least of the bad things they could be doing. Down around the level of wearing weird clothes and/or writing bad poetry. Kids do need to rebel or they end up at home forever. Some things, however, are far better expressions of that independence than others.
IMO, adults (vapers or not) do not have a good reason for a kid not to vape. Best I've seen yet is, "cause their little bodies, or little minds, or little lungs, can't handle it." Which to some kids will sound like, "I double dog dare you to try it and see if you survive."
Considering many of us smoked under 18, and are alive many years later ought to mean to us (vapers) that they can handle it. To non vaper, ex-smoking parent that is asked, "daddy, did you use nicotine when you were under 18?" That ought to take care of that adult, unless they choose to lie. Which leaves the non-vaping, never-smoker adult who thinks they have a handle on things, but reality is they are rather clueless on how nicotine may impact a minor.
Then add in scenario where kid is vaping 0 nic, and I'm yet to hear any legitimate reason why to disallow a minor to vape under this scenario. "Best" here is 'we just don't know' which makes for generation of adults that are arguably less intelligent than their offspring.
Considering many of us smoked under 18, and are alive many years later ought to mean to us (vapers) that they can handle it. To non vaper, ex-smoking parent that is asked, "daddy, did you use nicotine when you were under 18?" That ought to take care of that adult, unless they choose to lie. Which leaves the non-vaping, never-smoker adult who thinks they have a handle on things, but reality is they are rather clueless on how nicotine may impact a minor.
Then add in scenario where kid is vaping 0 nic, and I'm yet to hear any legitimate reason why to disallow a minor to vape under this scenario. "Best" here is 'we just don't know' which makes for generation of adults that are arguably less intelligent than their offspring.
Kids shouldn't be allowed to vape due to the simple fact it would make me look like I'm trying to keep up with the hip youngsters.
Seriously, tho; my stance on an age limit is somthing like this: Not my battle. Not that it would matter if it's legal for juveniles or not, imho. My battle is not having my actions and choices dictated by what children should or should not do.
Seriously, tho; my stance on an age limit is somthing like this: Not my battle. Not that it would matter if it's legal for juveniles or not, imho. My battle is not having my actions and choices dictated by what children should or should not do.
The "not my battle" claim is myopic. It becomes very easy to then use idea that children might, and therefore you should refrain. If you cannot, then surely you can agree to an exorbitant tax, in the name of "saving the children."
The whole issue of flavors is one that will forever be intrinsically tied to kids. If kids should not do this (use flavors, with or without nic), then adults will appear forever irresponsible in light of that policy. Whereas if kids can do this, and no reason is given why not, then adults still have a responsibility, but not a (legitimate) burden to 'protect' the kids on this front.
I tried to warn a late teen on Twitter with a, "How about this facial piercing?" about that, to think of her future employment (and also medical issues which is why I follow her and know her situation). Even if she tries to hide it someone doing the hiring or promoting will see it, it's what they do. Of course she had all the answers still being a teen and knowing everything.
Oh well, I tried. Hope she didn't have plans on a career that deals with the public or requires the people above her to absolute trust in her. Maybe things will change in the next 4-5 years but probably not.
I think kids/people smoking or using nicotine is more and more a matter of self-medicating. ANTZ have succeeded in getting people to look down on tobacco so now it's more those with a need who ignore society.
I don't understand this either... they are manufacturing a problem in order to force a solution. At some point, government needs to stop trying to protect citizens from their own choices. Granted, obvious advertising toward children should not be allowed, but flavoring is anything but child-specific. Who here likes fruit, perhaps a smoothie, desserts, maybe a piece of candy now and then? Only kids right?
Sure...
Sure...
I have peach vanilla toilet air freshener, i wonder how it tastes, maybe i should ask your kids
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